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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
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SGT Craig Northacker
Which one has the right of way? Are we using vehicular laws, rule of gross tonnage, common courtesy, military courtesy, and/or common sense?
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
No, LT, it doesn't. You'll also notice the LCDR's awful salute and his spare tire. This photo goes back a LOOOnnnng way.
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Cpl (Join to see)
CPT (Join to see) you know this thread needs absolutely no assistance or reasons to continue existing...
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CPT (Join to see)
This will stay alive like the national debt. You really don't want to look at it but you know it's there.
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MAJ (Join to see)
That said... I received a Company-grade LOR for espousing this belief to a 1LT as a 2LT in the Basic Course.
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CPT (Join to see)
LOL, I have never heard of a company grade LOR. The way it goes now you could be a LT a lot longer. I was pretty much told that it would be up 4 years as the army is extending the length as a LT. So in this case you would have a 1Lt with 5 years of service. I wouldn't put him in the same category as a new 2LT that just came out of the school house.
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In regards to your "B" statement proposal - why restrict it to only Army personnel in uniform? Why not other branches in uniform? Leaving it as such would indicate that an Army O1 would be required to salute a Navy 03 (as an example), but a Navy O1 would not be required to salute an Army O3.
Additionally, "... and enlisted personnel...", what does that mean? Does that mean that an E3 would have to salute an E4, like the KATUSA's and ROK Army?
Please clarify.
Additionally, "... and enlisted personnel...", what does that mean? Does that mean that an E3 would have to salute an E4, like the KATUSA's and ROK Army?
Please clarify.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Sir, I know each branch has it's customs. I have also worked in a joint environment (although not joint billeted) overseas. And Sir, it may be in your branch Army LT's don't salute each other - which surprises me, I would think EOD would have more honor, respect for regulations and tradition than that - but I can tell you where I have come from, a 1LT outranks a 2LT and according to regulation, is deserving of the salute based off of regulations, and military customs and courtesies.
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It's a mark of respect, and a long-standing military tradition that dates back to medieval times. So of course! Who do you salute? Officers. What if you are an officer? If they are a higher rank/grade than you, then you salute first. Would you ask the same question about Maj to LtC? Or LtC to Col? Of course not. How is this even a question?!
On the other hand, if the two are good friends and aren't in front of people, then nah... That's really the only exception. That said, remember what Patton said about parades, "You are always on parade."
On the other hand, if the two are good friends and aren't in front of people, then nah... That's really the only exception. That said, remember what Patton said about parades, "You are always on parade."
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I believe that the 2lt should have enough integrity and respect to render a salute to any superior officer regardless of rank.
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MAJ (Join to see)
I disagree Sir. It is a matter of integrity. If we allowed prevailing custom to dictate action, then it would open up the opportunity for far worse things to happen, such as engaging in promiscuous activities when assigned overseas (Germany, S. Korea, etc.) and enabling human trafficking and sexual exploitation. Prevailing custom in those countries says soliciting establishments of this ilk and engaging in those activities is OK, although it may be "illegal", it doesn't stop the perpetrator. This is a matter of integrity and respect.
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LTC John Wilson
Definitely a matter of customs in the Military from way back. Don't they teach this is Basic or boot Camp anymore? lol
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I got the answer everyone, so the answer is no a 2nd Lieutenant doesn't have to salute a 1st Lieutenant HOWEVER, you do have to give each other an obligatory head nod. Kinda to let each other know that you're cool with each other and "in the club" so to speak. True story. I was at ECT for the past 2 weeks and every single 1st LT said I didn't have to salute them but we did do the head nod thing, one of them would even give me a high five as I walked past him, don't think that's part of the rule but the head nod thing sure is.
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CPT Keith Steinhurst
Hey LTs - I think you are right - and it was like this back in the dark ages when I was a 'mud-rolling' 2LT. The Naval Service is a DIFFERENT animal - and an Ens that fails to recognize a LTJG or Marine 2ndLt fails to recognize a 1stLt - would create a significant emotional event for the junior involved - but then the Naval Service also has 'Bull Ensigns' - the most senior Ensign in the Wardroom - who typically wears the large version of the gold bar on the collar vice the small version . . . The reg is the reg, but the tradition stands, at least in the Army of old, that seniority among LTs is like chastity among individuals of ill repute . . . Have a great Army day!
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SGM (Join to see)
Only if they are that coordinated with one hand. By the time they are 1st Looeys they can use both hands.
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CPT Jeremy Smith
I stand with army tradition. With the exception of if the 1LT is on assumption of command orders I would not salute as a second LT of course if the unit command want to be sticklers about it then you follow unit standards but it has always been "no rank among LTs" for me
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