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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
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In accordance with Army regulations as established in FM 3 - 22.5, the requirements and intent of the hand salute could not be more clear. The excerpt below is taken from the regulation and edited for brevity but retains relevant content:
A-1. WHEN TO SALUTE
Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled (by grade) to a salute except when it is inappropriate or impractical (in public conveyances such as planes and buses, in public places such as inside theaters, or when driving a vehicle).
c. In any case not covered by specific instructions, the salute is rendered.
The only exception I am aware of regarding the "entitled by grade" reference relates to the respect given to those wearing the MOH.
It is not about what we have or have not seen in our experience, nor how we feel about it.
It is about the regulation being quite specific in this matter as it relates to grade, therefore the 2LT is required to salute the 1st LT in the instances expressed in the regulation.
Will that change anything at this point? Not likely. But when all else fails, consult the regulation, teach your soldiers properly, make on the spot corrections and lead by example.
A-1. WHEN TO SALUTE
Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled (by grade) to a salute except when it is inappropriate or impractical (in public conveyances such as planes and buses, in public places such as inside theaters, or when driving a vehicle).
c. In any case not covered by specific instructions, the salute is rendered.
The only exception I am aware of regarding the "entitled by grade" reference relates to the respect given to those wearing the MOH.
It is not about what we have or have not seen in our experience, nor how we feel about it.
It is about the regulation being quite specific in this matter as it relates to grade, therefore the 2LT is required to salute the 1st LT in the instances expressed in the regulation.
Will that change anything at this point? Not likely. But when all else fails, consult the regulation, teach your soldiers properly, make on the spot corrections and lead by example.
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As young a Marine, I have shot a crisp salute to my Gunny, !st Sargent even a Sargent or two that I knew and respected. If a fellow soldier, NCO or CO, is willing to put his or her ass in the sling for you, Show him or her the respect they have earned, and deserve.
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While it was inevitable that this classic RallyPoint discussion would get passed up by other topics, it somehow seems a shame that the new perennial leaders are both anger-centric discussions about disrespect.
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-would-you-react-to-an-e2-who-smart-mouths-you-in-formation
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-would-you-react-if-someone-tried-to-publicly-accuse-you-of-stolen-valor
Kudos to CPT (Join to see) for sparking this good-natured round of ribbing. :-)
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-would-you-react-to-an-e2-who-smart-mouths-you-in-formation
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-would-you-react-if-someone-tried-to-publicly-accuse-you-of-stolen-valor
Kudos to CPT (Join to see) for sparking this good-natured round of ribbing. :-)
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation? | RallyPoint
Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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LCpl Phillip Rehman
You wear his poncy ass out! I could not even begin to fathom that happening in my Company.
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I would say no, although back when I was a brand new lemon bar I didn't know any better and saluted someone with the black gold. He corrected me pretty quick. I think it is just one of those unwritten rules, like how officers don't wear marksmanship badges. It isn't written anywhere but we just don't do it. There is plenty of saluting going on anyways without LTs having to worry about saluting each other.
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Sir: If you follow regulations, how can you go wrong? If the senior officer doesn't want you to salute, they will advise. Also sir, if this is your only problem, y'all have it made. I just wish that during my 33 years, my jr. officers had it that easy. I probably spent more time counseling jr. officers than I did the troops!
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I believe the junior should always salute the senior officer, regardless if it's only one pay grade. With the touchy feely military, so many are worried about hurting someone's feelings. If I saw an enlisted not salute you, I'd step up and rip him a new one. Go on, let the butter bar know who the alpha is.
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If I had to salute a second lieutenant, then they should have to salute first johns.
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