Posted on Nov 12, 2015
Should a business be allowed to not let people into their store/restaurant if they are carrying a weapon?
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http://www.ksat.com/news/watch-how-mom-and-pop-shops-can-follow-states-open-carry-law
Texas has passed the Open Carry Law.
Should Restaurant owners, store owners or any business owners be allowed to ask anyone entering their place of business to leave their weapon in their vehicle, or otherwise don't come in?
I personally don't like it....but I know many on RP will disagree.
What do you say?
Texas has passed the Open Carry Law.
Should Restaurant owners, store owners or any business owners be allowed to ask anyone entering their place of business to leave their weapon in their vehicle, or otherwise don't come in?
I personally don't like it....but I know many on RP will disagree.
What do you say?
Posted 10 y ago
Responses: 35
This is a Public vs. Private matter.
You as a homeowner don't have to allow someone with a weapon into your home. A PRIVATE business owner should be able to exercise the same abilities.
The 2a is restrictions on the GOVERNMENT, not the People. We have to keep these concepts separate. Compelled action, is restriction of Freedom. If the Government makes a person say something, it is just as bad as saying they can't say something. Likewise if the Government tells a Private Citizen or Organization they cannot restrict access or weapons on their own property (a compelled action), then they are infringing their Freedoms for the sake of someone else. Equally bad.
The person who wishes to carry (openly) can choose to shop elsewhere (generally), which maintains the balance.
You as a homeowner don't have to allow someone with a weapon into your home. A PRIVATE business owner should be able to exercise the same abilities.
The 2a is restrictions on the GOVERNMENT, not the People. We have to keep these concepts separate. Compelled action, is restriction of Freedom. If the Government makes a person say something, it is just as bad as saying they can't say something. Likewise if the Government tells a Private Citizen or Organization they cannot restrict access or weapons on their own property (a compelled action), then they are infringing their Freedoms for the sake of someone else. Equally bad.
The person who wishes to carry (openly) can choose to shop elsewhere (generally), which maintains the balance.
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Cpl Jeff N.
Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS . We only have conceal carry in FL. My understanding of the law (and I do have a permit) is that there are designated no carry locations (courts, schools, jails, drinking establishments etc. standard list). Someone putting a no weapons sign on their door does not mean you must follow it since the law does not recognize a restaurant as a locations recognized by the law as being no carry. Open carry is a little different in that it is obvious you have a weapon.
Businesses open to the public are a gray area in my mind. I will conceal carry anywhere except those places listed in the law regardless of a sign. The feds have set precedent by getting involved in local business issues such as the now famous bakery that didn't want to make a cake for a gay wedding in contradiction with their personal religious beliefs.
Businesses open to the public are a gray area in my mind. I will conceal carry anywhere except those places listed in the law regardless of a sign. The feds have set precedent by getting involved in local business issues such as the now famous bakery that didn't want to make a cake for a gay wedding in contradiction with their personal religious beliefs.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
Cpl Jeff N. It's generally treated as Trespass if you don't follow posted (private) signs. They don't have (a lot of) legal weight other than the proprietor can ask you to leave, and if you don't they call the authorities.
The bakery issue falls under a completely different set of rules however, because of anti-discrimination laws for "protected classes" (gender, race, religion, etc). Firearm owners don't fall under those classes. I don't personally agree with protected classes when it comes to the Free Market, as this is something can sort itself out in VERY short order, but these are just different issues legally. When the bakery thing happened the only question that should have been asked was "Why would you want someone making your cake who doesn't want to make your cake? They aren't going to do the best job." Just like the gun issue. Why shop someplace that doesn't want you there.
The bakery issue falls under a completely different set of rules however, because of anti-discrimination laws for "protected classes" (gender, race, religion, etc). Firearm owners don't fall under those classes. I don't personally agree with protected classes when it comes to the Free Market, as this is something can sort itself out in VERY short order, but these are just different issues legally. When the bakery thing happened the only question that should have been asked was "Why would you want someone making your cake who doesn't want to make your cake? They aren't going to do the best job." Just like the gun issue. Why shop someplace that doesn't want you there.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
I don't like it, but that's the owner's rights as it is their private property that I am a guest on. If they don't want me or my gun in their store, I simply won't patronize their establishment anymore.
I don't like it, but that's the owner's rights as it is their private property that I am a guest on. If they don't want me or my gun in their store, I simply won't patronize their establishment anymore.
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Simple solution: conceal your weapon. I never open carry unless in uniform. You are safer with it concealed anyway. You don't cause liberals to piss themselves and you don't invite bad guys to try to take it. You also don't make yourself a target if something does happen. Of course I also try not to do business with places that restrict guns. "Gun free" areas are too tempting for bad guys.
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CPL Richard Rios
Only insecure wannabes want to show off their sidearm. Concealment is key in any and all situations. Old Nam Screaming Eagle Nam grunt...don't let the silver hair fool you.
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I believe they should have the right to deny entry to whomever they please. It's their business and as long as laws aren't being broken they should have that right. They are also aware (or at least should be) that some of their potential patrons will find another business that suits their gun carrying needs.
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"Business owners should have the right to create the kind of customer experience and environment that they want,”...didn't work so well with the cake makers did it? Personally I'm FOR the ability until proven otherwise to carry a HANDGUN. I will not and do not support the rampant desire to carry AR/AK/MP5/M60/M240/120MM Smoothbore/25MM Bushmaster/300MM Gatlin style gun, or .50 Cal Barrett style weapons. I'm still torn on whether we should allow TOW, Tommahawks, Minutemen, or LAWS on our person. In all seriousness, if you have the right to carry, and want to in accordance with local, state, and federal laws, knock yourself out. For the weapons listed I really do not see a need to walk anywhere in a metropolitan city with an "assault style weapon". Paladins and 777's are exempt from this. I see nowhere in the US where a beta mag is nessicary for your personal defense on the streets, and I've been and lived in some rough areas. The whole point is defending yourself (not offensive operations), and some folks will take it to the ninth degree and swear being in (insert name here) is SOOO bad...they needed their own B-52 to protect them. The F-35 wasn't available in the stores yet. Something about an extended waiting time for product.... I've mentioned some ridiculous weapons systems on purpose because there will be that ONE person who will go out of his or her way to test the law and put it on youtube. Those are the a**clowns I cannot stand, and once the police are involved, now it's harassment from the cops, ohh the cops this or that. A .45 or a 9MM will kill just as good as a MLRS. Might not be as sexy as hearing a BRRRRTTTT from the A-10 you saved from the scrap heap, but it will protect you just the same. We need to be wise in what we do, or overregulation WILL reap it's head and I don't care what side of the coin your on, or what party you claim, it will come and will hit hard.
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SSG Warren Swan
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SSG Warren Swan
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Sgt Kelli Mays, I don't like it either, but I think the business has the right to make that rule if they choose to do so. Just as we have the right to take our business where it is more appreciated.
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Sgt Kelli Mays I feel that a business should have the right to deny anyone carrying a gun from their premises due to safety concerns. I question the need for open carry anyway.
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SGT (Join to see)
LTC Bink Romanick, I'll never wear mine open. I think it's stupid to want to do that. Here in Texas we're legal to do it in January 2016, but it's not for me.
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Sgt Kelli Mays, I am already noticing warning signs on businesses doors outlawing carry or concealed weapons. It's their business or they work for the owner, and I feel it is the owners prerogative to allow or not. If I was in business, I would expect the new law to be used at my discretion.
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CPL Richard Rios
Keith, as far as I know...in Texas a notice citing the statute related to prohibiting the carrying of a firearm into a business must be posted in full view at the entrance in order to legally charge the citizen. Be well brother.
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Support their right to carry, but it always makes me nervous. Businesses in my state can deny one access if they wish to carry firearms, even legally. I suppose I would appreciate them if the shooting started by some nut.
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As long as the store can provide reasonable protection for it's patrons.
It is my opinion only that unarmed patrons in an open carry state should have a reasonable expectation of protection when frequenting an establishment, especially if that establishment does not allow firearms, and it's just a matter of time when a lawsuit will be brought up for wrongful injury/death for this realization. I'm waiting patiently for that one, it's going to be a doosie...
It is my opinion only that unarmed patrons in an open carry state should have a reasonable expectation of protection when frequenting an establishment, especially if that establishment does not allow firearms, and it's just a matter of time when a lawsuit will be brought up for wrongful injury/death for this realization. I'm waiting patiently for that one, it's going to be a doosie...
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