Posted on Mar 15, 2016
Should I report unprofessional behavior through the Chain of Command or an IG complaint?
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Thank you,
-RP Staff
Recently was involved in an one way exchange with a CPT in which she directed towards a Senior NCO (SFC) in a derogatory, belittling and denigrating expressing her personal feelings toward such SFC. Since this is to get get a general consensus of what should be done, I would like to leave out names and places out but can include that the CPT's comments towards the SFC included: "you are a sorry a$$ excuse of an NCO", " you are the biggest piece of $hit I know" and continued to go on not just about such Senior NCO but included the family members.
Considering that if this was a lower to an NCO doing this, the Soldier would be crucified. If this was an NCO to an officer?, someone would be out of a job.
I heard one day that the moment you lose your bearing you lost the argument. So the SFC did the right thing by keeping professionally quiet and bringing up to the supervisor. Situation is now: such CPT has gone around telling Soldiers how "she ripped in to this SFC with a grin"...
What would be some appropriate ways to handle this situation?
Thank you,
-RP Staff
Recently was involved in an one way exchange with a CPT in which she directed towards a Senior NCO (SFC) in a derogatory, belittling and denigrating expressing her personal feelings toward such SFC. Since this is to get get a general consensus of what should be done, I would like to leave out names and places out but can include that the CPT's comments towards the SFC included: "you are a sorry a$$ excuse of an NCO", " you are the biggest piece of $hit I know" and continued to go on not just about such Senior NCO but included the family members.
Considering that if this was a lower to an NCO doing this, the Soldier would be crucified. If this was an NCO to an officer?, someone would be out of a job.
I heard one day that the moment you lose your bearing you lost the argument. So the SFC did the right thing by keeping professionally quiet and bringing up to the supervisor. Situation is now: such CPT has gone around telling Soldiers how "she ripped in to this SFC with a grin"...
What would be some appropriate ways to handle this situation?
Chain of Command
JAG
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Go with the IG. Chain of command is exactly what it implies; chain! Who wants the link in their chain broken? There's always a chance that you won't reach the top of that chain if necessary. Go with IG, or Jag!
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Nothing's going to happen to that witch, not in today's military, she's a member of a protected class, she's bullet proof, and she knows it. Hell, she'll be the champion of the rest of the coven for striking a blow against the patriarchy, or some other such horseshit.
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I would have beat the living shit out of that Bitch the moment she mentioned my family. I know that my career would have been over but NOBODY talks about my family, NOBODY!
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SSG Majdi Tannous
You have a bad temper and take your useless family where the sun doesn't shine. You be a crying Biiitch locked up in Leavenworth.
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Use the chain of command or you are jumping the Bn. Commander and the person with the influence, the SGM. Keep your EER's good, I imagine the CPT's OER will reflect her inappropriate behavior.
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Staff, unfortunately in today's Army or better said, in the Army I have known for the last 16 years. Unless the particular CPT you are referring to is not well liked by their chain of command. Nothing you do or the SFC does is most likely going to resalt in any significant disciplinary action towards that CPT, no matter who you report it to. Furthermore, by reporting it right away to the chain of command or IG, all your doing is giving them a head-up to get a bigger rug to sweep it under. Now, maybe if the situation involved a Male CPT and a well connected female SFC, you might have a shot at a slap on the wrist.
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Any good Senior NCO, should be able to hold his or her own with an out of line Captain, without having to to run to the IG with his or her tail between the legs. At this point in in his/her career, maybe the Captain's comments were understandable. Although the attack on the soldiers family is out of line, it's even more reason the Senior Sergent should have put the Captain in his/her place, and got on with NCO business of running the Army.
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MSgt John McGowan
SFC. You are correct in saying a good senior NCO could handle this on his own. As a Branch Chief and later a 1st SGT I have had my dealing with several ranks. I had a Capt. jump on me because of one of my power units and he was pissed. One of the Wings Col's walked in but that was one I missed.
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Maybe there's a reason this captain was able to do this. .. the senior NCO has no balls... if he stood there and listened to it. I bet had he said, Capt. we can talk in private or I walk. The capt continues, walk and see if that capt is willing to take it to NJP>
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Well if that SFC was me I would have went straight to the BN CDR and CSM and if that didn't work just keep going up the chain. There will come a time when that CPT needs help from the NCOs of the unit and they should just let the young officer fail once or twice. That usually brings humility to them really quickly.
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