Should medically retired get the same certificate as those that did 20+?

I would just like a DD 215 that I can read. I was retired in 1991, retroactive to 1987. I had already been called up for Iraq. Glad I didn't go and get killed

I was at 16 years when the Army said I was too broken to continue...I was also high on a lot of drugs so hard to argue. But yes.

WTF is wrong with you? I cant imagine anyone other than a REMF that would feel this way.

Yes

In a nutshell, they served, they deserve.

Why does it have to be "different". As a member that had little to no use of a right arm after three surgeries, it was time to go. It amazes me what people on this forum seem to ignore. If a Soldier chooses to stick around and endure pain and ridicule of a profile, that is Honor, Courage and Commitment. Just like the, new Soldier wearing multi cam issue a few months back. Why could they not wear multi cam? Opinion often becomes law in the Army until you are told what is common sense and what is not. I don't want it, but common sense tells me one year, ten years, or nineteen point five, there are Soldiers that earned that piece of paper through service and should get it out of "Loyalty to those with whom I serve, seniors, peers, and subordinates alike. Just my opinion.

People who are medically retired do receive that

I also want to add that one must be diagnosed by a medically professional and seen by specialist in order to go thru an MEB, then have a max of 5 years as TDRL in order to go thru a PEB. These medical boards are no joke. A service members condition is watched carefully and he or she remains under a doctors care and monitored. Just cause you stubbed your toe doesn't get you medically retired. I truly believe unless your a dr then you need to keep your trap shut. Stay in your own lane. If you are and think a SM with a service connected physical
Or mental disqualifier or pre existing condition agribated by service shouldn't receive the same retirement piece of paper you would at 20 years someone higher needs to remove you from duty as a military medical professional.

You're just mad that my retirement check after 13 years is 75% of my base pay and your will only be 50% of yours! i don't know what this so called "retirement certificate" is since I have not received one. I can tell you however what it was like at age 34 to have my mother brush my hair and put it in a bun for me (she only has use of one hand herself) , but my here wool socks on my feet as I screamed in pain, and attempted to properly tie my combat boots so I could report to fit on time via an hour commute. What it was like to not be able to
Wipe my own ass. Spend the witching hours in the local emergency room at least once a week in pain off the pain scale, get released after IV pain killers, go home and have mom repeat trying to get me ready to report to duty on time. Con leave denied on every level of the NJ Army National Guard command (I was active guard, full timer). If I were to get such a piece of paper you can piss on that one while you piss on SFC Merino's. I was a 92G,volunteered to cross train F5 so I would be a gainfully employed by my unit when we deployed even though It was against the Army Regs for me to carry such an Identifier (I passed over phase 2 of BNoc to do so). Upon returning competed for a full time slot in Logistics for Plan and Operations of State Emergencies. ( a bit of the last 4 years of my career) plus ADSW for nearly two years, 15 month activation (12 mo this boots on ground).

But let me enlighten you all that crap, all those medals and ribbons and badges and that piece of paper mean jack when you retire! It doesn't get you a job, it doesn't raise your retirement pay, it doesn't get you a better parking spot, it doesn't get you better service at Mc Donald's so what the fuck does it matter it I retired after 13 years or 33 years. I retired. I have a blue ID card, can use the on base MWR and stores and gas station, I can fly Space A. So that piece of paper would only be of value if I was lost in the woods surrounded by poison ivy and I had to wipe my ass.

17.5 years of service medically retired and never received my flag....... What I do receive is 70% of Captains pay at over 16 years of service. So the paper document I'd really irrelevant to me.
However I do have an issue in that a person with just over 2.5 years more service than I do can "regular" retired get out file a claim in the VA and receive concurrent receipt of both Military retired pay AND VA disability where as I have dollar for dollar deducted from my military pay for every dollar of VA disability.

I think you have to do the 20 years like I did to deserve it, point blanck.

I believe it would all depend on what they were medically retired for? I am a medically retired sgt. but I was med. ret. from an ied blast in Iraq 08. I wanted to do all 20 maybe more but it was dictated otherwise for me.....now if you got someone on a med. chap like 13....or turf toe or just riding profiles often that's malingering....things like that yea a serious discussion should be had...my opinion

SFC Steven Grudzinski I somewhat understand what you are trying to say. Yes there are a few soldiers who exaggerate their injuries, or try to, just to see if they can get medically retired. BUT, that's why we have doctors, to see if the soldiers claims are true or not and if the soldier is fit for duty or not. If they get medically retired, it's because a professional deemed it necessary.

I came back from Afghanistan broken. With injuries on right shoulder, lower back, PTSD and LOTS of headaches which doctors are still trying to figure out. I have to take 6 pills a day, every day, and I'm still in constant pain daily. Mostly with my back, and I'm only 29 damn years old. I didn't take the MEB that was offered because I want to stay in. I was told that eventually, my injuries will end my career. I've only been in 4 years, I doubt I'll make it to 20 like I had planned from the beginning but I damn sure will try. Now I have to live with a permanent profile, having people think that I'm a dirtbag milking the system because I can't run 2 miles like I used to due to my injuries. If I do get medically retired in the future, I guess I won't deserve that "Retired" title too?

Dude you just need to get a life!

I neither agree nor disagree. Unfortunately, I have seen both sides of the Medical retirement status beneficiaries. In my opinion the Army is structured in some characteristics like the US Welfare System. Whether you work hard or not at the end a monetary contribution will come to you regardless. It is frustrating to witnesses those that talk big about playing the system.

Funny you should ask. Here's why. I did 20+ years in the Army. Active, Reserve and Guard combined. I have one "combat zone" tour (profile pic). Yet I feel like I hadn't done shit compared to those who were in for whatever amount of time that were severely wounded. I'm not saying that the only way to fulfill your duty is to get wounded. What I'm saying is that the job they were doing when they were wounded was more inline with the mindset of "serving" your country. I said I have one "combat zone" tour". It was in Africa. Where the enemy were nonexistent and the beers were plenty. When anyone asks me if I had been to a combat zone I tell them yes, then I add the lengthy caveat of Africa. The rest of my career was spent shinning shiny things and straightening things that were already straight. So how can my 20+ year certificate even compare to a medically discharged combat wounded soldier certificate. It doesn't, I know it doesn't, I know it never will. And I'm fine with that.

Some of us who were medically retired didn't have the option to finish 20+ years. If it's members that used the system for a sprained big toe, then you my friend have a point.

I say no to a retirement certificate. You did not retire you where medical discharge from service. In the AF I was taught Go, no Go type of thinking and that is why no further explanation on my part.

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As you can see the short answer is yes.

Longer answer is Department of Defense INSTRUCTION NUMBER 1348.34 provides for it...

1. PURPOSE. This Instruction reissues Reference (a) consistent with the authority in Reference (b) to establish policy, assign responsibilities, and provide procedures for conveying the appreciation of the President to Military Service members upon their retirement, in accordance with Reference (c).

3. POLICY. It is DoD policy that:
a. A DD Form 2542, “Certificate of Appreciation for Service in the Armed Forces of the United States:”
(1) Shall be presented to each member retiring from the Military Services after serving 20 or more years and attaining eligibility to receive retired pay.
(2) May be presented to other members retiring from the Military Services, as determined by the Secretary concerned.

I confess that while I'm rather schooled in various topics this was near and dear to my heart because I had an NCO that they were trying to medically separate in 2004 with 11 years of service... when I talked to a high speed G1 NCO... he told me this wasn't correct and would look into it and then educated me.

Steve... I read both the original post and your edited one. Simply... you struck a cord with a few of our brothers and sisters because you did not send the message you had intended. Lesson learned and next time you ask a question... ask a couple of trusted agents to review before posting. But please don't be mad at the receivers... for misunderstanding what you wrote/posed. That's just counterproductive as it is your job as the sender... to send a clear message. Just like grid coordinates. If you send the wrong grid... don't be mad at Joe when he doesn't go to the right place.

Lastly... different retirement certificates doesn't really make sense. It's a certificate of appreciation for service... that's it.

my 2 cents

Cam

My 2 cents

Yes!