Should medically retired get the same certificate as those that did 20+?

A retirement is a retirement, shouldn't matter the number of years served. Should there be a different certificate for someone that serves MORE than the "required" 20 years?

I think "most" should, people who have dedicated their life to the Army but are unable to continue should definately get the same recognition. Barring their injury they may have continued their military service. There are a few who abuse the system but we can't punish those that are really unable to continue for those that had a good plan to abuse the system. Besides the Certificate doesn't say anything other than they retired after serving faithfully and honorably

I understand what you are saying, you were not demeaning anyone, just showing a difference. Great thought. Thanks .

I don't think it's that easy to get medically retired...I've only known a handful of people to do so and they had pretty severe issues. Some of those issues may have been genetic but more likely then not it was because of their sacrifices in the service. Yes they deserve the same retirement recognition.

You don't get medically retired for a broken arm, there are medical and physical evaluation boards that determine whether one can return fit for duty, medical discharge with a severance pay or medically retired (which begins VA disability). I can say, for my PEB, it was approved by an Admiral somewhere and the board convened with a handful of medical officers that review the records, etc.

Most of the time it's a permanent injury or chronic problem that one is medically retired for.

Myself, I was medically retired for Epilepsy with 80% disability. I'm fortunate that I have all of my limbs entact and no physical ailments like many of my brothers who were in combat situations, however SFC you can suck it.

If i could, I would still be out in 7th fleet, on the ship, where I belong, working on CIWS.

I understand that someone who spent 20+ years might not want to be lumped in with someone who spent less than 20 years and was medically retired.

However, does it really matter? You get your benefits. They get theirs. It really isn't like these people who are getting medically retired are seeking this kind of separation on purpose.

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No

Sergeant, my response is this question: Did they Honorably Serve and Retire? If Yes, then YES. If No, well.... maybe a discussion is needed.

The effective date of my stating medically retired put me at 19yrs, 7 Mons 29 days! They stated I wasn't world wide deplorable anymore. My Unit was next on list to deploy and have several, many, many times since. I joined at 18 yrs old with a plan to do my 20 at least & hopefully more. I don't believe just because you we're allowed to or able to finish your 20 yrs that you are better or your service is better than someone who was injured in combat, effected by chemical weapons, injured in training. They gave MORE than just those that got their 20. They will have life long problems. Some got thru during no time of war. Some weren't in comat positions. To think you're better than those because you got your 20 yr letter is just narcissistic. Allot of those Medically Retired can never work again. If you joined young like 18 yrs old, after 20 then you would 38 you can still work. Draw your retirement and a pay check. Those of us who are 100% DAV only have disability pay and what ever amount social security we have built up. What about the Gold Star Families? I'm sure they don't think just because you got your 20 in makes your better than the one they lost! Heck no! Everyone's service matters. If you think you're better due to a 20 year letter you need to fall off that pedestal you've put yourself on and learn some humility. To ALL that served thank you for your service, your commitment and your sacrifices. Don't let others on this site make you feel like less, you are not! God bless you all.

I would just like a DD 215 that I can read. I was retired in 1991, retroactive to 1987. I had already been called up for Iraq. Glad I didn't go and get killed

I was at 16 years when the Army said I was too broken to continue...I was also high on a lot of drugs so hard to argue. But yes.

WTF is wrong with you? I cant imagine anyone other than a REMF that would feel this way.

Yes

In a nutshell, they served, they deserve.

Why does it have to be "different". As a member that had little to no use of a right arm after three surgeries, it was time to go. It amazes me what people on this forum seem to ignore. If a Soldier chooses to stick around and endure pain and ridicule of a profile, that is Honor, Courage and Commitment. Just like the, new Soldier wearing multi cam issue a few months back. Why could they not wear multi cam? Opinion often becomes law in the Army until you are told what is common sense and what is not. I don't want it, but common sense tells me one year, ten years, or nineteen point five, there are Soldiers that earned that piece of paper through service and should get it out of "Loyalty to those with whom I serve, seniors, peers, and subordinates alike. Just my opinion.

People who are medically retired do receive that

I also want to add that one must be diagnosed by a medically professional and seen by specialist in order to go thru an MEB, then have a max of 5 years as TDRL in order to go thru a PEB. These medical boards are no joke. A service members condition is watched carefully and he or she remains under a doctors care and monitored. Just cause you stubbed your toe doesn't get you medically retired. I truly believe unless your a dr then you need to keep your trap shut. Stay in your own lane. If you are and think a SM with a service connected physical
Or mental disqualifier or pre existing condition agribated by service shouldn't receive the same retirement piece of paper you would at 20 years someone higher needs to remove you from duty as a military medical professional.

You're just mad that my retirement check after 13 years is 75% of my base pay and your will only be 50% of yours! i don't know what this so called "retirement certificate" is since I have not received one. I can tell you however what it was like at age 34 to have my mother brush my hair and put it in a bun for me (she only has use of one hand herself) , but my here wool socks on my feet as I screamed in pain, and attempted to properly tie my combat boots so I could report to fit on time via an hour commute. What it was like to not be able to
Wipe my own ass. Spend the witching hours in the local emergency room at least once a week in pain off the pain scale, get released after IV pain killers, go home and have mom repeat trying to get me ready to report to duty on time. Con leave denied on every level of the NJ Army National Guard command (I was active guard, full timer). If I were to get such a piece of paper you can piss on that one while you piss on SFC Merino's. I was a 92G,volunteered to cross train F5 so I would be a gainfully employed by my unit when we deployed even though It was against the Army Regs for me to carry such an Identifier (I passed over phase 2 of BNoc to do so). Upon returning competed for a full time slot in Logistics for Plan and Operations of State Emergencies. ( a bit of the last 4 years of my career) plus ADSW for nearly two years, 15 month activation (12 mo this boots on ground).

But let me enlighten you all that crap, all those medals and ribbons and badges and that piece of paper mean jack when you retire! It doesn't get you a job, it doesn't raise your retirement pay, it doesn't get you a better parking spot, it doesn't get you better service at Mc Donald's so what the fuck does it matter it I retired after 13 years or 33 years. I retired. I have a blue ID card, can use the on base MWR and stores and gas station, I can fly Space A. So that piece of paper would only be of value if I was lost in the woods surrounded by poison ivy and I had to wipe my ass.

17.5 years of service medically retired and never received my flag....... What I do receive is 70% of Captains pay at over 16 years of service. So the paper document I'd really irrelevant to me.
However I do have an issue in that a person with just over 2.5 years more service than I do can "regular" retired get out file a claim in the VA and receive concurrent receipt of both Military retired pay AND VA disability where as I have dollar for dollar deducted from my military pay for every dollar of VA disability.