Posted on Sep 18, 2014
Should PFCs stand at "Parade Rest" for a SPC?
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We had Lieutenants saluting each other, now I ask this: Should an E-3 stand at the position of parade rest for an E4 Specialist (not a corporal)?
FM 7-21.13 The Soldiers Guide in Chapter 4 addresses customs and courtesies. It states that Soldiers junior in rank will stand at parade rest when addressing an NCO unless otherwise directed.
I remember when I was a PFC, I had a Specialist who was adamant about all E3s and below standing at parade rest in front of him. Was he right?
What say you RP?
FM 7-21.13 The Soldiers Guide in Chapter 4 addresses customs and courtesies. It states that Soldiers junior in rank will stand at parade rest when addressing an NCO unless otherwise directed.
I remember when I was a PFC, I had a Specialist who was adamant about all E3s and below standing at parade rest in front of him. Was he right?
What say you RP?
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FM 7-21.13 The Soldiers Guide in Chapter 4 addresses customs and courtesies. It states that Soldiers junior in rank will stand at parade rest when addressing an NCO unless otherwise directed. A Specialist is not yet an NCO. Being addressed as an NCO, having a junior Soldier stand at parade rest, is earned through promotion to and induction into the NCO ranks.
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LTC Mark Gavula I have read 600-25 during the course of this particular discussion, and in it I have failed to find where it mentions anything about Junior Enlisted standing at Parade Rest when addressing NCOs. I am not sure where you are taking your above comment. Can you please clarify sir?
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SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS
LTC Marc Gavula, Sir, I was not speaking to salutes. I was responding to this question which referes to junior enlisted Soldiers standing at parade rest for a Specialist (E-4). Please help me to understand how I am another NCO that does not know a regulation?
Thank you,
SFC Joseph M. Finck USA (Ret)
Thank you,
SFC Joseph M. Finck USA (Ret)
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SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS
SFC Jason Kendrick,
Thank you. I was unaware this discussion pertained to salutes.
V/R,
SFC Joseph M. Finck USA (Ret)
Thank you. I was unaware this discussion pertained to salutes.
V/R,
SFC Joseph M. Finck USA (Ret)
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I may be able to shed some light on this matter dealing with the salute issue. There was a Chief Warrant Officer 5 that responded to the parade rest question and made a comment about not getting saluted. If that was LTC Gavala was referring to, thats where may be the confusion is. And I would like to answer the statement that was eloquently put, that LTC Mark Gavala maybe referring to. I have read AR 600-25, 24 September 2004, on page 1, under 1-5 Hand salutes and salutes with arms, letter (b) starting at the second sentence: Salutes will be exchanged between officers (comissioned AND WARRANT and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard) etc, etc.........
I hope this cleared up ANY confusion or misunderstading.......
V/R,
SFC Stephen P. Stanley
I hope this cleared up ANY confusion or misunderstading.......
V/R,
SFC Stephen P. Stanley
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It really depends on what his status is. If he is a team leader then yes the PFC should be at parade rest. As an E-3 and being a Team Leader we had Privates and PFCs at parade rest.
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While that would do a lot for the SPC's ego, unfourtunatly the key word in the Reg. is NCO, a SPC isn't an NCO yet, so they don't warrant an at ease yet.
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No, unless a soldier is told to do so by leadership to do so. An Specialist is not an NCO. Caveot, if the Specialist is placed or has to assume any leadership position, yes proper military customs should be met to the position the soldier is "acting"
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SPC Cody McColgin I was with you all the way up to "if the Specialist is placed or has to assume any leadership position". The Doctrine does make any statement of "if the SPC is in a leadership position".
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Specialist are not NCOs. corporals are. Specialist should stand at parade rest for corporals, but no soldier should stand at parade rest for specialist.
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Well, we've already covered this, but I think people have missed one thing. you stated and I quote "FM 7-21.13 The Soldiers Guide in Chapter 4 addresses customs and courtesies. It states that Soldiers junior in rank will stand at parade rest when addressing an NCO unless otherwise directed." Those last 3 words are a game changer! While I was in I had gotten chewed out by a SPC (I was an E-2 at the time) for not standing at parade rest. This perplexed me since I had NEVER needed to do so prior to this. Well some months went by, and I found myself doing something at the Infantry barracks. I was still in Uniform, and was making a pit-stop at a friends barracks room before going home. Walking through the halls privates were jumping out of the way, and whenever I would say something to one of them they were at parade rest and called me by rank....I was quite confused. But those last 3 words are what did it, they had been "otherwise directed". While it is NOT the norm, and chances are that it may remain a rare occurrence, it is not unlikely that there would be some places where they had been otherwise directed to do so. After all I know some units consider SPC a transitioning stage, and that they are in a position where they are not quite an NCO, but are distancing themselves a little bit from the other junior enlisted.
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or does "unless otherwise directed" refer to when an junior ranking Soldier goes to parade rest for a NCO, and that NCO tells them to relax, or something to that affect? In almost 16 years of being active, and having spent 13 straight years in combat arms units, I have never been "otherwise directed" in a sense that PFC and below stands at parade rest for a SPC.
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I would take that "otherwise directed" would be in the form of a unit policy or directive which would come from a commander or senior enlisted advisor. Not a Specialist.
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1LT William Clardy
Call me a simpleton, but if I were a PVC again, I would consider a mere corporal telling me to relax or sit down to \qualify as being more "otherwise directed" than any disposition form posted on a unit bulletin board...
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Only if that SPC is filling the role of an NCO. Like a Team Leader, Squad Leader, etc. Otherwise, no... it's not at all appropriate.
There was no way in hell I was going to stand at parade rest for a SPC when I was an E3 :-). They are so not an NCO. Sorry "high speed"! You're special, but not THAT special :-). The situation would have to be REALLY serious. Otherwise, show respect? Yes. Parade rest? For an NCO.
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