Posted on Feb 1, 2017
Should the 2d Amendment be amended to remove the confusing first phrase?
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What say you? Make it clear and unambiguous. One possible text:
"The right of the people to defend themselves, their property and their Nation being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."
"The right of the people to defend themselves, their property and their Nation being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."
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That phrase is not confusing unless you're some insipid libtard. The point of the 2nd Amendment is not personal defence. It is there as a check and balance to prevent a tyrannical government, which is pretty much exactly what the left is calling for. They want an overly intrusive government that controls virtually every aspect of your life. The 2nd Amendment MUST remain unchanged.
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While our beloved Liberal Snowflakes are calling for a socialist government, the citizens of Venezuela are fighting and calling for a democratic republic. Why don't we just ship our snowflakes down there and bring their citizens up here. I'm sure we would have less problems out of someone who actually wants our type of government. Sounds like WIN/WIN all around.
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No read the Federalist papers. James Madison does a thorough job explaining the meaning of the 2nd as well as the nations reasons for needing to have it. Teach history in schools. Honestly though the problems we currently are having with school shootings that I assume was the prompt for this question has less to do with firearms and more to do with the availability of Healthcare that includes mental care. Todays schools run rampant with students who may be displaying symptoms of undiagnosed learning disabilities. These symptoms can manifest themselves as poor performance, behavioral problems, violent outbursts, bullying and being bullied, substance abuse, incarceration and crime. etc . These problems are leading to levels of frustration and stress in our students across the board. This, combined with the hormones and impulsiveness of the teenage years is causing some of them to react violently to a system and society they feel attacked enough by to attack back at.
I often hear people as the question of "We didn't have these problems in the (insert decade here), what changed/happened?" or "Other countries have firearms, why don't they have these mass shootings?" The truth and the answers is Healthcare, which used to be much more affordable and much more available to the people of this country. Also smaller classrooms where a teachers time and patience could be divided more evenly among the students, and problems could be identified and addressed. This is how we should fix the problem, HEALTHCARE and EDUCATION. The benefits of Healthcare would ripple out to other areas of our society, and while not being free or cheap at first would eventually result in a stronger more educated workforce because people would finish HS. These people would be able to command more income (HS graduates earn an estimated 1k more per month than a dropout. That is Taxable income folks and would raise them out of wellfare eligibility), incarceration rated would go down removing the cost of imprisoning people. Anyway you get the point, dealing with the lack of healthcare to diagnose and treat currently undiagnosed Learning disabilities could prevent the next shootings, improve the physical and emotional wellbeing of our communities, increase taxable income and the economy as a whole, decrease poverty and improve the nation overall.
In closing, we need to ask "Would gun bans and restrictions along with new laws stop the next school shooting?" It may help, but I doubt it will have the desired effect and we will continue having discussions on guns. However shootings are a symptom of the problem, not the problem. The problem is the person who decides to turn a weapon on his fellow man. Address this problem with preventative healthcare and you will have a far greater impact on this problem than you will by passing gun laws.
I often hear people as the question of "We didn't have these problems in the (insert decade here), what changed/happened?" or "Other countries have firearms, why don't they have these mass shootings?" The truth and the answers is Healthcare, which used to be much more affordable and much more available to the people of this country. Also smaller classrooms where a teachers time and patience could be divided more evenly among the students, and problems could be identified and addressed. This is how we should fix the problem, HEALTHCARE and EDUCATION. The benefits of Healthcare would ripple out to other areas of our society, and while not being free or cheap at first would eventually result in a stronger more educated workforce because people would finish HS. These people would be able to command more income (HS graduates earn an estimated 1k more per month than a dropout. That is Taxable income folks and would raise them out of wellfare eligibility), incarceration rated would go down removing the cost of imprisoning people. Anyway you get the point, dealing with the lack of healthcare to diagnose and treat currently undiagnosed Learning disabilities could prevent the next shootings, improve the physical and emotional wellbeing of our communities, increase taxable income and the economy as a whole, decrease poverty and improve the nation overall.
In closing, we need to ask "Would gun bans and restrictions along with new laws stop the next school shooting?" It may help, but I doubt it will have the desired effect and we will continue having discussions on guns. However shootings are a symptom of the problem, not the problem. The problem is the person who decides to turn a weapon on his fellow man. Address this problem with preventative healthcare and you will have a far greater impact on this problem than you will by passing gun laws.
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NO !! Nothing contained in the 2nd Amendment is confusing if you have a grip on the understanding of the English language !!
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I’m a little confused! What part of the first phrase (sentence or paragraph) in the 2nd Amendment should be removed? "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." I say remove NOTHING.
The 2nd Amendment is intended to guarantee the nation could never be overcome by any military power, foreign or domestic by guaranteeing the right for citizens to own and possess firearms. Here in the USA we don’t have a gun problem; we have people problems, attitude problems, responsibility problems, education problems, and problems admitting errors in judgment. What we have are problems of the heart, morality problems, disrespect and intolerance problems to conservative views, yet we talk about respect, acceptance, and tolerance for all political views and religions except Christianity.
We are a nation of immigrants, but we have lowered our standard for citizenship for certain ethnic groups, which amounts to reverse racial profiling. We have given immigrant status to some people who come here with the sole purpose to harm us. Many have come here to radicalize, indoctrinate, and deceive others who are socially vulnerable to their message of hate and violence as solutions to their inadequacies or world view.
In today’s society we have approximately 30,000 gang killings annually, including drive-by shootings part of an initiation or gang wars. We have home invasions by mostly uneducated youth with no fathers and no jobs. The vast majority of shooting involve perpetrators who would have committed the crime regardless of any current or future gun laws. Far too many want to attribute all this to guns. In the aftermath legislators want to make it difficult; even impossible, for millions of responsible people to own a gun. What about those who want to protect themselves from all the above?
Background checks do not hinder high profile attackers in the least – although the gun grabbers relentlessly push background checks as the solution to stopping high profile attacks on innocent Americans.
More people are killed with clubs, hammers, vehicles, DUI, suicide, and knives than guns. In no case is there a conversation to ban vehicles, hammers, knives, or alcohol. More children under 10 die by fire, drowning, and motor vehicle accident, than gun deaths. The blame in these cases rests on people, unless it involves a gun. Where is the logic? The knee jerk reaction is to enact more gun control.
We teach home safety, driver safety, job safety, machinery safety, kitchen safety, travel safety, credit card safety, etc., but in no case do we teach firearm safety in public schools. What happened to the NRA Eddy Eagle Safety Program?
Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year. Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times justifiably annually for self-defense. Other publications declare Guns are legally used for Self-Defense purposes approximately 760,000 A year. These are staggering numbers and highlight the fact we have people problems.
Concealed carry laws help reduce crime and criminals avoid armed citizens. Gun-Free Zones are Killing Fields – school shooting are evidence of that fact. So, why are there so many of our schools declared gun free zones?
The 2nd Amendment is intended to guarantee the nation could never be overcome by any military power, foreign or domestic by guaranteeing the right for citizens to own and possess firearms. Here in the USA we don’t have a gun problem; we have people problems, attitude problems, responsibility problems, education problems, and problems admitting errors in judgment. What we have are problems of the heart, morality problems, disrespect and intolerance problems to conservative views, yet we talk about respect, acceptance, and tolerance for all political views and religions except Christianity.
We are a nation of immigrants, but we have lowered our standard for citizenship for certain ethnic groups, which amounts to reverse racial profiling. We have given immigrant status to some people who come here with the sole purpose to harm us. Many have come here to radicalize, indoctrinate, and deceive others who are socially vulnerable to their message of hate and violence as solutions to their inadequacies or world view.
In today’s society we have approximately 30,000 gang killings annually, including drive-by shootings part of an initiation or gang wars. We have home invasions by mostly uneducated youth with no fathers and no jobs. The vast majority of shooting involve perpetrators who would have committed the crime regardless of any current or future gun laws. Far too many want to attribute all this to guns. In the aftermath legislators want to make it difficult; even impossible, for millions of responsible people to own a gun. What about those who want to protect themselves from all the above?
Background checks do not hinder high profile attackers in the least – although the gun grabbers relentlessly push background checks as the solution to stopping high profile attacks on innocent Americans.
More people are killed with clubs, hammers, vehicles, DUI, suicide, and knives than guns. In no case is there a conversation to ban vehicles, hammers, knives, or alcohol. More children under 10 die by fire, drowning, and motor vehicle accident, than gun deaths. The blame in these cases rests on people, unless it involves a gun. Where is the logic? The knee jerk reaction is to enact more gun control.
We teach home safety, driver safety, job safety, machinery safety, kitchen safety, travel safety, credit card safety, etc., but in no case do we teach firearm safety in public schools. What happened to the NRA Eddy Eagle Safety Program?
Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year. Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times justifiably annually for self-defense. Other publications declare Guns are legally used for Self-Defense purposes approximately 760,000 A year. These are staggering numbers and highlight the fact we have people problems.
Concealed carry laws help reduce crime and criminals avoid armed citizens. Gun-Free Zones are Killing Fields – school shooting are evidence of that fact. So, why are there so many of our schools declared gun free zones?
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSLSMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc" ThomasLTC Stephen F.SGT David A. 'Cowboy' GrothSFC George SmithCPT Jack DurishSSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4"PO1 William "Chip" NagelTSgt Joe C.SP5 Mark KuzinskiMaj Marty Hogan MSG (Join to see) SSgt (Join to see) LTC Stephen C. LTC (Join to see)Capt Seid Waddell Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS If it's amended California congressional and senate representatives should not be allowed to vote. LOL
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Our For Fathers thought it out well with the wording, they lived then under a oppressing country. The problem with anti-gunners is, they lived all their lives "FREE."
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There is no confusing phrase. 2nd says the we need a militia. It says the our citizen's right to own armourment privately shall not be infringed on in any way by that militia.
Any other reading is an intentional twisting of our forefathers intent to protect our country and its citizens from tyranny.
Any other reading is an intentional twisting of our forefathers intent to protect our country and its citizens from tyranny.
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I would be willing to replace it with this text from the New Hampshire Constitution's Bill of Rights: "All persons have the right to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves, their families, their property, and the state". It can't get any more straightforward than that!
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