Posted on Nov 17, 2013
Should the Army uniform only show name and US Army? (Getting rid of patches and badges)?
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I just like the fact that Airforce, Navy and Marines only have the name rank and their respective branch. They all look the same and they all don't seem to have the judgements we have in the army. I mean we in the army have the unit patches, skill badges and deployment patch. I believe that the army should be the same as the other services.
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<p>Unit patches are part of our history and I was somewhat disappointed that we no longer wear full color SSIs and combat patches on the our service uniform. I was also disappointed when the Army went to the ACU and got rid of branch insignia for Officers. Again, that was a tradition that went back decades. Each branch has its own traditions and uniform wear that somewhat tie the new service members to their past while trying to modernize wear. Sometimes it works and sometimes we wonder why.</p><p><br></p>
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SPC Travis Grizzard
Interesting, but wrong SFC Fox. Unit patches, (Corps & Division) were first authorized by General Hooker during the Civil War. Originally they were cap badges.
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COL Jon Thompson
Officers wore branch insignia on the left collar of their fatigues, jungle fatigues, BDUs, and DCUs. That way you could always tell where they were from and differentiate between who was who.
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Bring back the BDU and shiney black boots, it worked for decades, it looked professional.
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SFC (Join to see)
I also agree I would love to get some sort of BDU back and shined boots. You could tell who cared about what they did for a living and who was a dirt Bag solider. Also I like wear my wings on my chest and combat path. It lets others know i am proud of my accomplishments . Air Assualt!!!!
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PFC Zanie Young
While I hated shining the boots, I still liked the BDUs because it allowed you to be proud of the uniform.
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SPC Travis Grizzard
Forget the shiny black boots, unless you want to have one pair for combat and another for garrison. A nicely shined pair of boots shine like a spotlight to a person wearing NVGs, making the wearer a target and negating the concealment of camoflage.
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SPC Nathan Fanton
I don't know. I know I was not a "rockstar" (read that as average) by any means, but my uniform was one thing that I really took care of. My ACUs always fit well, I would carry the green books in both shoulder pockets to keep them flat and so my unit patch was not all bent up. My PC was well formed, and would place it upside down, to keep the top and sides looking good instead of crumpling it up and shoving it into a pocket. The boots were brushed as per the instructions, Thank you DS Swink. I really cared and knew who the Soldiers were that would put that little bit of extra effort into making us look squared away. Its way to easy to look messed up in garrison with the ACU.
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Some Soldiers never bother to wear their accomplishments, thereby saving THEMSELVES money, some prefer to tale pride in their accomplishments and do not mind the extra cost associated with displaying them. I can count on both hands, the number of times over the last 7 years of my career that I HAD to wear my Class A's, and wearing my badges allowed for others to know a bit more about me than they might not had I not worn them.
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I'd be willing to stay with the ASUs but I'd petition to bring back the BDUs......the one time I loved putting on that uniform was when it was crisply pressed with a nice pair of shined jump boots. Shoot, y'all couldn't tell me nothin I looked so fly.
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While we are at it lets get a standard rank insignia and cammo pattern across the branches. Seams to me that of all the branches there has to be an inferior uniform and a superior uniform, I sure would like to wear the best and I would wager so would everybody else .
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SSG (Join to see)
MarPat or Multicam, hands down. If we go back to a Woodland/Desert style, MarPat, if they want a single uniform, Multicam.
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CPT (Join to see)
There is still discussion of going to a common camp pattern. The Army was testing new patterns and was down to 4 finalists when they were told to stop because of discussion of all services going to a common (or common set) of patterns.
I think the common pattern will be multi cam if anything. The 2 largest branches (Army and Air Force) already have a lot of it so it would be more cost effective than everyone switching to what the smallest branch (Marines) wear.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
Imagine that, a bunch of bozos, most of whom never wore a uniform, get a say in what SMs wear. Things that make you go WTF!
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CPO Joseph Grant
Each branch is different and the uniforms contain tradition inspired design. In no way shape or form do we want or need a single "purple" uniform and rank device. I retired as a Chief Petty Officer not a Sergeant First Class. I honestly don't know know the tradition behind the other services rank and devices but I don't know many, if any, Sailors who would want to throw away this tradition to have a common pin on a collar.
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Troops are proud of their accomplishments. They wear their badges with pride. And they should. We don't often wear the ASUs so why not keep what we have on the uniform we wear nearly every day in garrison and every day on deployment? Most of the time, ASUs are worn only for boards, inspections, and payday activities. I have been in units where I never wore them... for years.<br>
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Cadet SGT (Join to see)
I agree with you on this. Soldiers work hard to compete and get selected for different schools, and when they graduate they should be able to show off their accomplishments and be proud that they earned a badge.
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Why is wearing badges,patches considered showing off? Did the person not take the time to go to a certain school/course and put in the effort to pass to earn a badge.
Perhaps it's out of pride that they wear their unit patch and combat patch.
I am proud of my unit and I am honored to wear the patch on both sleeves. I earned my Air Assault badge and my CAB. I wear them with pride and always will as long as its within regulation.
I think the problem is with the individuals that want to judge another based of appearances. It does not lie within the uniform.
Perhaps it's out of pride that they wear their unit patch and combat patch.
I am proud of my unit and I am honored to wear the patch on both sleeves. I earned my Air Assault badge and my CAB. I wear them with pride and always will as long as its within regulation.
I think the problem is with the individuals that want to judge another based of appearances. It does not lie within the uniform.
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MSG (Join to see)
SFC Grudzinski,
SFC Evans explained it very well. Unless is approved for me to wear it, it will be away in a display case. My profile picture is taken by any member to create an Audie Murphy wall at the unit because per regulation member pictures should be prominently displayed to recognize the achievement.
SFC Evans explained it very well. Unless is approved for me to wear it, it will be away in a display case. My profile picture is taken by any member to create an Audie Murphy wall at the unit because per regulation member pictures should be prominently displayed to recognize the achievement.
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SFC Evans,
I believe I am aware of what the regulation reads.
b. Membership Medallion approved for wear with
appropriate uniform during SAMC official functions
only (IAW AR 670-1, para 28-13d).
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SFC Grudzinski,
While this was correct on the older AR-670-1 it was changed to Para 29-13d. The SAMC regulation has not been updated to mirror the changes (which can lead to confusion).
(IAW AR 670-1, para 29-13d). Badges of civic and quasi-military societies of the United States, and international organizations of a military nature. These include badges of organizations originally composed of members who served in a U.S. force during the
Revolutionary War; the War of 1812; the Mexican War; the Civil War; the Spanish-American War; the Philippine
Insurrection; and the Chinese Relief Expedition of 1900. The badges are worn only while the wearer is actually
attending meetings or functions of such organizations, or on occasions of ceremony. Personnel will not wear these
badges to and from such meetings or events.
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SFC Evans,
I believe you are confusing badges and medallions. Here's the BLUF, the reg states it will not be worn except at official SAMC functions, nowhere in AR 670-1 (2012 RAR) is the word medallion or Audie Murphy.
It is a "membership medallion" not an award or decoration which is why it's never worn in official photographs, nor does it meet the requirements of AR 670-1 para 29-10.
I like many others have several medallions that I have been awarded, but I only wear them to appropriate functions because that's what the reg reads.
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</font><p><font color="#000000" size="3" face="Times New Roman">I have the opposite concern.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Now that
we don’t wear unit patches on the “Class A” any more, we never ware our unit
patches unless they are subdued.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I’m
afraid we will lose our history and unit lineage. </font></p><font color="#000000" size="3" face="Times New Roman">
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</font><p><font color="#000000" size="3" face="Times New Roman">I have the opposite concern.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Now that
we don’t wear unit patches on the “Class A” any more, we never ware our unit
patches unless they are subdued.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I’m
afraid we will lose our history and unit lineage. </font></p><font color="#000000" size="3" face="Times New Roman">
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SGT Bryon Sergent
MAJ Miller and MCPO Young I concur. We are letting to much of the historic value of the military lineage go to the way side. I loved wearing my summer BDU's jump boots and my CIB along with my double eagles, when I was active duty! I actually was in a conversation last weekend and was talking about a kwik injection and had a young private ask me what that was!!!!!!
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I would say that this is only happening in select units. Wind up in the 82nd or the 173rd, believe that you will be taught extensive history and in turn be proud of that patch on your shoulder. I have seen both types of units.
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CPO Joseph Grant
I'd agree with you. We don't have that in the Navy but I understand it's important in the Army. Different service and different traditions.
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I'm not sure about the USMC or USN, but the USAF branch patches are different with skill-level. I like the wear of current unit patches, but you're right about the judgement that comes with deployment patches, or rather, the lack thereof. One universal uniform and format would save a lot of money... instead of spending as much as they do, they could go to one uniform and stop tossing around the idea of messing with our pay and benefits.
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SSG Robert Blum
CW2 Vann and CPL Fittizzi beat me to it. Marines to my understanding are allowed to wear any skill badges they earn while attending Army Badge producing Schools, I have personally seen Air Assault, and Airborne, and one double stack, but its rare for them to get those schools. I believe the same is true for the Navy and Airforce. And the Airforce wears skill badges, each MOS has its own designs for the different skill levels.
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