Posted on Sep 7, 2015
Should the Five Pillars and the rest of this be mandated?
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http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/05/public-school-parents-angry-after-middle-schoolers-instructed-to-write-allah-is-the-only-god/
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Religion in public schools.Make your own judgement.
https://www.aclu.org/joint-statement-current-law-religion-public-schools
https://www.aclu.org/joint-statement-current-law-religion-public-schools
Joint Statement of Current Law on Religion in the Public Schools
The Constitution permits much private religious activity in and about the public schools. Unfortunately, this aspect of constitutional law is not as well known as it should be. Some say that the Supreme Court has declared the public schools "religion-free zones" or that the law is so murky that school officials cannot know what is legally permissible. The former claim is simply wrong. And as to the latter, while there are some difficult...
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In the article, there seems to be a wide disparity in what each side is saying. I'm betting the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.
Of course, teaching religion in a public school can be a tricky proposition at best; can it be taught in such a way that is not viewed as proselytizing?
I certainly do not envy public school teachers.
Of course, teaching religion in a public school can be a tricky proposition at best; can it be taught in such a way that is not viewed as proselytizing?
I certainly do not envy public school teachers.
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I am surprised that the Atheist organizations have taken up arms against this educational "unit of instruction" or "assignment module". Especially since they are the ones that have been the driving force of removing Christianity related items from the school curriculums and practices. All other religious related items in those same veins should either be removed or reinstituted for a fully balanced approach. In the case of Islamic / Muslim related items in contention here, if they were treated in the same manner as prayer in school, there should be no problem with removing this part from the curriculum, primarily since it is the Islamic equivalent to Christian prayer. If they teach this, they should then go back to allowing prayer in school and even better add the Pledge of Allegiance back to regular school practices.
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COL Ted Mc
SSG Robert Webster - Staff; Possibly the solution with "religious doctrines" is the same one as the Roman Catholic Church came up with regarding Galileo and whether the Earth went around the Sun. The RCC told Galileo that he could teach it BUT he just couldn't claim that it was true.
That would mean that "The Christian Religion holds that Jesus Christ is the actual son of God." would be allowable, but "Jesus Christ is the Son of God." would not.
That would also mean that "The Muslim Religion holds that there is only one God." would be allowable, but "There is only one God." would not. It would also mean that "The Christian Religion holds that there is only one God." would be allowable, but "There is only one God." would not. It would also mean that "The Jewish Religion holds that there is only one God." would be allowable, but "There is only one God." would not. It would also mean that also mean that "Different languages often use different words as the name for the same thing. For example the animal which we call a "Dog" in English is called a "Hund" in German and a "Chien" in French and a "Kutya" in Hungarian. However the fact that different words are used as the mame for a thing does not mean that it is not the same thing regardless of what word is used to name it." would be allowable, but "Because Muslims worship 'Allah' they do not worship 'God'." or "Because Jews worship 'Yahweh' they do not worship 'God'." would not.
That would mean that "The Christian Religion holds that Jesus Christ is the actual son of God." would be allowable, but "Jesus Christ is the Son of God." would not.
That would also mean that "The Muslim Religion holds that there is only one God." would be allowable, but "There is only one God." would not. It would also mean that "The Christian Religion holds that there is only one God." would be allowable, but "There is only one God." would not. It would also mean that "The Jewish Religion holds that there is only one God." would be allowable, but "There is only one God." would not. It would also mean that also mean that "Different languages often use different words as the name for the same thing. For example the animal which we call a "Dog" in English is called a "Hund" in German and a "Chien" in French and a "Kutya" in Hungarian. However the fact that different words are used as the mame for a thing does not mean that it is not the same thing regardless of what word is used to name it." would be allowable, but "Because Muslims worship 'Allah' they do not worship 'God'." or "Because Jews worship 'Yahweh' they do not worship 'God'." would not.
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Holy shit guys this is common stuff. If we want kids to know why they rape children fuck goats and like to deny people human rights then u have to teach the tennents of islam to see why there so fucked up. And i really doubt the teacher made the children wrote allah is the true god as an affirmation of their own belifs but rather as the answer to a question. For example if i were to ask you what do mislims belive? You might answer that allah is the true god but i didnt make u swear that to be u belif i only asked what mulism belive. Also allah is just the arabic word for god and if you study religion chirstanity judaism and islam all belive in the same god the major differnces occur after the new testament. Moreover limiting what children are allowed to learn is fucking psycho teach them everything and let them decide. I learned about islam in the 6 th grade again in highschool and again in college and i am an nco infantryman in the us army who votes red knowledge doesnt hurt you it helps you
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Amazing
If the judeo/Christian faith was being taught we would see the all the letters of the alphabet would be sueing the school district.
If the judeo/Christian faith was being taught we would see the all the letters of the alphabet would be sueing the school district.
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I think this is - again - misrepresented. I think the educators were teaching "Islam" and part of "Islam" is that there is 1 God, Allah and "Muhammad" is his prophet. I don't see the problem with testing the students with a question that might ask - "What is the 1st pillar of Islam?" - wherein the students could potentially answer with "ALLAH IS THE ONLY GOD"
Now - with that said, if "Islam" is "mandated" to be taught, that's OK by me also - but it should be taught in a "religion" curriculum that would include ALL the religions of the same scope - which to me would be Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism and maybe 1 or two others? I have a huge problem with them (the educators) taking the teaching of ANYTHING out of scope or "ignoring" Christianity.
Now - with that said, if "Islam" is "mandated" to be taught, that's OK by me also - but it should be taught in a "religion" curriculum that would include ALL the religions of the same scope - which to me would be Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism and maybe 1 or two others? I have a huge problem with them (the educators) taking the teaching of ANYTHING out of scope or "ignoring" Christianity.
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COL Ted Mc
CMSgt Mark Schubert - Chief Master Sergeant; Your point is a good one, but how are you going to justify teaching about Judaism (0.22%) (if you don't also teach about Sikhism (0.36%), "Chinese Traditionalism" (6%) "Primal Indigenous" (6%), and "Non-religious" (16%)?
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CMSgt Mark Schubert
COL Ted Mc
Sir, that was really my point - if there is to be a "mandated" teaching of religion (in general), then it should be something like "the top 5" or whatever number "they" chose. And it should be part of a religious teaching curriculum or class. I don't understand how "they" could pick and chose certain ones to teach and ignore others.
Sir, that was really my point - if there is to be a "mandated" teaching of religion (in general), then it should be something like "the top 5" or whatever number "they" chose. And it should be part of a religious teaching curriculum or class. I don't understand how "they" could pick and chose certain ones to teach and ignore others.
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COL Ted Mc
CMSgt Mark Schubert - Chief Master Sergeant; It would have to be (at least) "The Big Nine" or else the Jewish lobby will get upset.
In fact, it might not be a bad idea to allot time in inverse proportion to the percentage of the world's population that the religion has for adherents. After all, if a religion is very wide spread (like Islam is) then isn't it obvious that people will know all about it while if the religion is practiced by less than 1% of the world's population (like Judaism is) the isn't it obvious that people will know very little about it?
In fact, it might not be a bad idea to allot time in inverse proportion to the percentage of the world's population that the religion has for adherents. After all, if a religion is very wide spread (like Islam is) then isn't it obvious that people will know all about it while if the religion is practiced by less than 1% of the world's population (like Judaism is) the isn't it obvious that people will know very little about it?
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What the Hell is wrong with people ??? 1st we are told we cant have open prayer before we go out side the wire, then Chaplains are tossed out of the Military, Pledge of Allegiance  is done away with, but its ok for muslims to wear headdresses,grow beards in the military, still do prayer in the military and can enter this country and military even though they are illegal??? Where does this bullshit end???
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What the Hell is wrong with people ??? 1st we are told we cant have open prayer before we go out side the wire, then Chaplains are tossed out of the Military, Pledge of Allegiance  is done away with, but its ok for muslims to wear headdresses, still do prayer in the military and can enter this country and military even though they are illegal??? Where does this bullshit end???
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To understand the wars across Europe, you need to understand Martin Luther and the other Protestants. To understand the Crusades, you need to understand the differences between Islam and Christianity, that ancient Christian leaders were dicks, and how much of it was politics in the guise of good religion. It's the same way you can't really understand Sengoku Jidai without learning about Buddhism and Ikko-ikki sect.
In reading the article, I see a policy that has been poorly implemented and crossed with parents who would rather their kids grow up ignorant and bigoted than actually worldly and educated.
In reading the article, I see a policy that has been poorly implemented and crossed with parents who would rather their kids grow up ignorant and bigoted than actually worldly and educated.
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SGT Michael Glenn
TSgt (Join to see) - No I laughed probably just as hard as you did, a little humor has to be from time to time and if you look at a lot of my posts you will see I am just as bonkers.... I have lived in Germany for 24 years and Martin Luther is German and a VERY big part of that country
!!! I am not above a little humor every now and then... thanks for catching this as fast as you did!!!
!!! I am not above a little humor every now and then... thanks for catching this as fast as you did!!!
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Cpl James Waycasie
SGT Michael Glenn - Most kids today might have heard of Martin Luther King Jr, but most probably have not heard of the spiritual founder of Lutheranism Christianity. My daughter had never heard of him. We learned about him in history in high school. Curriculum has changed a lot over the past 20 years, lol
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SGT Michael Glenn
Cpl James Waycasie - Yes sir it has, I left the states in 86 only to return in 09, talk about culture shock !!!
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Cpl James Waycasie
SGT Michael Glenn - I'm sure it was a total different nation for sure. I have been saddened to see the changes as I have lived through them over the years. Sometimes I shake my head in disbelief, other times all I can do is to just stand , mouth wide open with the expression of shock on my face.
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