Posted on Mar 1, 2016
Should we remove combat patches to be sensitive to those who don't have them?
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"(Unit Name withheld) BCT ordered to remove combat patches during training at Fort NoMatter so the ones without them don't get hurt feelings.
Reason? "The unit just returned from Afghanistan and almost everyone has a patch but the large influx of new soldiers are E1 and E2s that have never deployed and they are saying they are left out because they don't have a patch."
Reason? "The unit just returned from Afghanistan and almost everyone has a patch but the large influx of new soldiers are E1 and E2s that have never deployed and they are saying they are left out because they don't have a patch."
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I think that would be childish and ridiculous. It never bothered me when I was an E-1 and E-2.
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......... ok. well, if your feelings get that hurt over that, you'd never make it through combat to EARN ONE in the first place. SO basically you need to return your gear, and rewind back to whatever lolipop guild you came from, because I don't want to earn mine next to that kind of spinless millennial.
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I see some of my RP comrades bent out of shape big time. But, heck no don't remove patches to preserve feelings. Being in the line of fire and coming home alive is a BIG DEAL and an earned honor. Those who don't have them need to be conversing with those who survived to get some much needed battle front Intel. The military continues to be watered down. This is not let me see yours and I will let you see mine. This is survival of the fittest. "I want to go home alive".
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You gotta be kidding! This is just another example of "trophy children". I deal with this kind every day in the structural engineering firm I own. They want a medal if they show up to work.
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The patches are EARNED. A service member should never have to take off anything that they have earned to make someone else feel better. When those individuals earn their own patches by being deployed. Then they can also wear them with pride. Members ate away from family and friends between 9-12 months , sometimes longer. This causes great hardships with family, marriages, financial and relationships with both spouses and children due to you not being there. If they are really feeling left out then they can always go to command a volunteer to go early. There are plenty of service members who would love to come home early. We give kids today rewards for everything and participation awards. They can receive this participation patch when they aren it. Live it, earn it then you will RESPECT it.
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I know this is not the U.S. Army I served in (1968-1971) but to order soldiers that have deployed
and earned their combat patch to remove them so they don't hurt another soldier's feelings is nuts.
When did the Army become concerned with a new soldier's feelings ? A soldier earns the right to
wear those combat patches and should not have to remove them because some new PVT that has
never deployed arrives and he/she might feel left out or have hurt feelings. "LET THEM EARN IT".
and earned their combat patch to remove them so they don't hurt another soldier's feelings is nuts.
When did the Army become concerned with a new soldier's feelings ? A soldier earns the right to
wear those combat patches and should not have to remove them because some new PVT that has
never deployed arrives and he/she might feel left out or have hurt feelings. "LET THEM EARN IT".
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I knew a guy who received some combat awards years after the combat for the simple reason no one knew we were there. He never cried because he did not get his awards, but then again he already had a combat patch and CIB. This was just some V devise stuff.
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quit hiding out and get in the fight. Been at war nearly 2 decades and no patch. go to the PX and stock up on Kleenex. Better yet just get out.
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I didn't know local Commanders had the authority to ban combat patches. In my day, AR 670-1 was the authority on what is to be worn on the uniform.
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MSG- I have been thinking about getting rid of challanging and hard PT because my new privates are weak and can’t keep up, they feel left out when they can’t keep up. I have also thought about ditching regulations that make soldiers refer to officers as sir or ma’am as well as nco’s by their rank, because the privates don’t have any rank, and it makes them feel left out. Does this sound like a stupid idea? I think so too. Your junior soldiers who feel left out, should accept that they have not earned that distinction yet. I came into the Army in 96, and was comvinced I would never earn a shoulder sleeve insignia for combat. But I did, like 4 of them, and deployed more than that. I am at the point now, that I want to punch anyone who recomends me for an award in the face, because it means one more expensive change to my rack. Your young soldiers will get theirs. Sit down and explain to them the modern world landscape and the challanges this Army will face in the future. They will get theirs if they stay in. If you accommodate their whining, and ‘every should have a trophy culture’, you are not making them better. I suggest you read up you servent leadership, and what it means to give your soldiers what they need, not what they want (Thank you PME). The combat patch serves to distinguish those who have been to combat. Much like an identification badge highlighting a person you can ask about real life experiances vs what the book says. Those soldiers of yours should aspire to get there, not to have everyone else be like them. Given the oppertunity, they would want to wear one. I know this is not you implementing this change, but if it is your leadership, this is the discussion I would have. However, I feel like this is an old story - and has since been rectified. Hopefully this doesn't come back around.
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Not every child gets a trophy. If they are in the Army, and are that much of a snowflake, then perhaps the Army is not right for them.
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Military should not be a place for this type of sensitivity. Bet morale in this unit really draws air. Do they have to take off their campaign ribbons also?
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The newgens are bitch made. They have no heart and want everything without working it. Very happy I came through the Era where we put in work. 88-98 05-2011
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That would be the same as removing all your ribbons from your dress uniform, because the Privates don't have any. They have to earn those with TIS and TIR, just like everyone else did.
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