Posted on Feb 4, 2015
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Should we as Americans view the video of the Jordanian pilot being executed by ISIS? Many news media organizations are refusing to show it due to its sheer brutality and disturbing nature. They argue that it helps to spread ISIS's propaganda message of terror and fear. Other news organizations have shown pictures from the video and have provided links (with warnings about the graphic content) to the video in full. They argue that it is necessary to understand the magnitude of the incident. I have my own thoughts on this ethical dilemma, but I want to hear what the RallyPoint community thinks about this. Should the video be shown in the media? Would you watch it? Is it spreading terrorist propaganda or understanding the enemy?
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SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA
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I think ALL MUSLIMS should watch this, all those who claim to be moderate but refuse to speak out against atrocities, maybe this will make the difference...sounds harsh I know but I have just about had enough of these losers, we are giving them way to much room to operate and giving them way to much credit.
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Maj Mike Sciales
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I spend a lot of time in the middle east, believe me, they've watched it. The TV over there shows it. People are pissed. Clerics and Kings are condemning it. Daesh made the mistake of thinking with an Saddam era mindset.
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When the towers fell on 9/11, we had a TV set up in our Guardmount room. It stayed on the news channels 24 hours a day. We muted it only to call roll, assign posts, and brief the oncoming shifts. If anyone needed to know why they were arming up that day, there was the TV.

About a month later, our Support Group Commander gave a briefing in the base theatre. On the screen behind him were pictures of the terrorists on the planes. He started his briefing with “Just so everyone knows, I want anyone how aided these sons of bitches dead.”

It was steeling. It kept us focused. It replaced the pain and fear with something else; something more sinister and more useful.

I watched the video. It was gruesome. Does the general public need to see it? Will it enlighten them before it desensitizes? I don’t know. But we, as members of the military, absolutely needed to watch those towers fall all day long.
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Hi, Senior Airman Tommy G.

You’re right. Perhaps those last three were the wrong words. I thought it unbecoming of a professional warfighter when the Support Group Commander said he wanted “anyone who aided those sons of bitches dead,” but I got it. And, perhaps, by “all day long,” I meant that every one of my brothers and sister of the sword needed to ensure they watched it enough to cement their resolve. I just chose the wrong words.

I appreciate your candor.
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LCpl Steve Wininger
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we just had this discussion an hour ago in my journalism class. In my opinion, only a link to the video should be shown with a warning about the graphic nature of the video.

If a person chooses to view it, that is there choice, and it should not be denied them.

I think the propaganda argument is weak. I believe most people who view the video will be more outraged than anything.

The terrorists have their own network and ways of getting the video out without the media. I think the rage against terrorism will far surpass any advantages the terrorists may gain.

I talked with some Muslim friends of mine last night and they say it is horrific what the terrorists are doing. Some have even condemned it.
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CPT Multifunctional Logistician
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I'm glad your journalism class is discussing this LCpl Steve Wininger. I too think that the propaganda argument is weak, but I can see why one would argue not to show it simply based on the grusome nature of the act. I am glad to hear some of your Muslim friends have condemned it. Personally, I think a lot more Muslims need to do the same. Thanks for sharing.
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LCpl Steve Wininger
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CPT (Join to see) I just read an article where the king of Jordan said that the terrorists are waring against "Noble Islam." I am glad to see that they do believe that Islam can be noble and not violent.
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SGT Infantryman (Airborne)
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No! Saw enough brutality in Nam to last me forever. Why would someone want to see something like that?
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CW3 Senior Instructor Pilot
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What a fantastic question. It really is. I've personally chosen not you watch it. I'm familiar with what death looks and smells like. I'm well aware of their brutality. I won't learn or gain new knowledge from watching it. On the other side of that, some people aren't to familiar with what that kind if brutality really is. It's too distant, to different, and in the name if tolerance, some may even dismiss the headline on the assumption that no one can judge the savagery of some people. For that reason, I believe that no effort should be made to make the video inaccessible to the public or ban it. These people should be known for who and what they are, and I think the more peace screening naive may have their eyes pried just a little but open from witnessing such brutality. Same goes for the beheadings. I've chosen but to watch those. I don't think they provoke fear, I think they provoke action.
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Clearly the video has provoked more action than fear in Jordan! Thanks for your input CW3 (Join to see) and I'm glad you liked the question. I think this topic deserves more discussion.
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Maj Mike Sciales
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Well said.
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I think that the real answer you are looking for sir depends on what the maturity and ethics of the individual watching, of course you don't want someone to watch it any more than you would want your kids to see it, however it is important that those that want to see it to be allowed to see uncensored material from news sources that exercise their first amendment rights. I do feel that any news source foreign or domestic should include warnings of graphic or extreme graphic content so that it may be at the viewers discretion. Yes, I would watch the video because though many enemies push propaganda I feel that it allows one to understand the enemy.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
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SSG (Join to see), very well thought out response. Your references to both the First Amendment and Sun Tzu I find most relevant. Thanks for sharing.
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SGT Michael Glenn
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I dont think we should... it does nothing but instill fear in people and make these clowns stronger.....
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The challenge with an enemy like ISIS, is they are only as strong as their ability to instill fear in the Public. Servicemen cannot be expected to receive these images in the same light as the general public. By airing the videos on major news networks, the common man becomes fearful. It also serves as a tool to impressionable folks into joining the movement. I believe the best course of action is to refuse the enemy satisfaction by choosing not to banner the imagery of their hostilities all over mainstream networks. We can acknowledge the persons who have sacrificed themselves in their valiant efforts to dissuade ISIS, by commemorating their lives achievements. Honor the victorious dead, and pay no tribute to the corruption of the enemy.
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MSgt Electrical Power Production
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I did watch the video and very much wish I didn't. I never gave it a thought to watch the beheadings so not sure why I watched this. It's not like I dont know how brutal they are. So I guess I just felt I had to. That I needed to really make sure I do understand their barbaric nature. And that they really need to be stopped now rather then later. It is very graphic and not for everyone. The image is pretty ingrained in my mind and I will not soon forget. If you don't have to don't watch it.
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MSgt Hal Weeden, MBA
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I pray that image does not haunt you.
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reading about it was enough for me, watching the video is not going to make me dislike isis more or anything like that
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