Posted on Feb 3, 2016
Should women be eligible for the next military draft?
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I'm just curious to see how those who pushed for women in combat MOSs will react.
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SGT Stacy Moody
I say too bad if they don't like it, they wanted equality now they have it, they don't get to now "choose" what kind of equality they get.....No Go.
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SGT Karen Scott
It is about survival saving our freedom and being there for one another. All politicians should serve active duty first before they are allowed to hold government position and before they strive to be president. Too many people are in our government that makes it appear they don't really care for our soldiers and veterans. They definitely failed in the medical. The sexual assaults, rapes and intentional sabotage of careers must stop. Too many people that controls and makes decisions for us and our Country serves others and their pockets. My commander was bias he would not give medical waiver after serving seven years active duty so I can continue to serve for twenty plus.
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PO1 Kaytee S
SGT Karen Scott - Did you ever read "Starship Troopers"? The book, by Robert Heinlein (not just see the movie loosely based on it). You had to serve to be a full citizen, with voting rights, and of course, only full citizens could hold office... and only after you were released from duty (which was at the convenience of the govt.). Heinlein, at one time at least, advocated mandatory service for all. Perhaps it's time to revisit draft policies-- there are plenty of civil service/community service needs that could be met with draftees, if they aren't suitable for/needed by the military. Take a page from the JrROTC programs, even-- all HS students, regardless of gender or physical/mental abilities are allowed in the program, and it's up to the commander to give them the training they need to complete the program to the best of their abilities. At one HS graduation I attended, the guide-on for the graduating JrROTC students was a kid in a motorized wheelchair-- not saying he should be allowed in the military, but there are support positions he could fill as a civilian-type draftee/volunteer service member.
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Lt Col Robert Canfield
There are two problems that come to mind with a mandatory service for all "citizens". One is; that over time, the legislature finds ways to carve out exceptions and create "protected classes" of people who are not required to do any form of public service. The other is that with such a large pool of personnel serving their mandatory 2 or 4 years, you often have a lot of folks standing around doing nothing, so the leadership must develop "make work" tasks to keep everybody busy. As long as we are quoting movies here, I would rather adopt what Bruce Willis demanded for his crew before they accepted the mission in the movie "Armageddon". Their final condition was that they never wanted to have to pay taxes again...EVER! Yes, you would need some form of draft; only to be implemented in the event of a national emergency. However, if you served the minimum required time in service (2, 4, or 6 years etc), you would never have to pay taxes for the rest of your life (Federal, State, Local, sales etc). Or perhaps set up a percentage scale: serve 4 years; get a 20% tax break, serve 8yrs, get a 40% tax break etc. I would think the military would have its pick of volunteers and could attract some high quality people to serve. Dream on.....
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Either have both sign up for it, or neither. I think there are enough interested members that are already serving.
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I don't see why not. It hasn't been used in quite some time and will more than likely never be used again.
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As I said earlier: YES, however this also begs the question as to whether or not the fragile "snowflakes" of the millennial generation are up to the task of military service? I would say that the vast majority are not. Therefore, it is imperative that the 'draft pool" be as large as possible to pull in the best qualified folks in the event of a national emergency. America is now on the front line of the War on Terror. A major disaster or attack involving 100s of thousands or millions of casualties is not as unlikely as we once thought. The day may come where these young folks may need to "man-up/woman-up" and "do their bit for king and country".
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SGT Karen R Scott
You are talking shit Lt. Col not being truthful us women that has been harmed violently by our enemies feels already so we feel intensely different about things! Especially when our own people didn’t protect us!!! Absolutely I'm getting sick and tired of people hurting our Country, hurting our soldiers and hurting our veterans!!! All congress all senators and all super delegates must have to serve Active Armed Forces, before they get a nice paying job and benefits! Because in the past they have not served and they’ve hurt many disabled veterans! We don’t want foreigners holding government jobs, even jewish people unless they have served in the Armed Forces and for America! Jewish have profited off of our soldiers and war. Our soldiers’ equipment in the past was not up to par. Look how many people in our Country that has hurt man veterans that are against our soldiers & Veterans that didn’t serve in our Armed Forces. So yes they must serve every one of them! Even ones that are disabled if war breaks out here in US common sense help us find a way to help without retaliation/personal attacks. You men didn’t start saying this until now, because you are mad we are holding you responsible for the rape cultural in our military!!! Why haven’t in the past helped us clean up the harm that has been hurting us here in US! It takes the whole team to complete the mission! It only takes one fucking idiot to kill us all! If you attack a member of the team you are causing others to be harmed. You men have done so much evil against women in the past we couldn’t even get help to stop it! Cpl Justin you are full of bias hate towards women wanting to get a nut off! Don’t make it about your ego it is about our freedom, our Country and our existence! There have been women in our Armed Forces that did a better job than you Justin a thousand times. Grow up and get off your ego! Help one another, because in the past that didn’t happen!!! Also all attorneys are to serve our soldiers and veterans without cost to hold people accountable that sets out to machinate & orchestrate any wrongdoings, violation of any rights, intentionally hurting us on purpose in a military hospital & va to retaliate, murder, rape and unlawful use of government services to do a personal attacks, especially against military sexual trauma persons! So our soldiers and veterans can have legal help, not only protecting those that tried to harm us violently! Legal help immigration far more than they do us, instead denying legal help!!! Don’t give any Citizenship if they don’t honor our laws, Constitution and must serve in our Active Armed Forces and must speak English! You will see and be able to weed out anyone that wants to bring harm to US! Keep religious beliefs out of it! People are harmed greatly our Armed Forces is not the place to abuse women, treat them like sex objects and carry out unlawful actions that violates women’s rights! When you do this it will be the end of US! You politicians that have not been there for us get out of our government, please! You don’t deserve to hold that position! I’m glad I’m not in charge I believe you wouldn’t like it! Why are we training those from areas that are against us that are involved with services for our soldiers and veterans causing harm?
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Lt Col Robert Canfield
"From equal rights comes equal responsibilities." I don't think I could have said this better myself. Sometimes the truth is unpleasant.
By Kellee Ryan as printed in the Colorado Springs Gazette (26 Jun 2016)
Nothing wrong with drafting women
In reply to Jennifer Beauford’s letter “Don’t Draft Our Daughters” published in the June 19 edition of The Gazette:
Ms. Beauford, let’s just get this out of the way: It is obvious that you have never served in the military. I am a female veteran who served 20 years in the Air Force, and I can tell you that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the concept of drafting women.
There are several steps the president and Congress can take to gradually augment our volunteer forces in times of war before drafting civilians is necessary. If we have implemented all other options and still need the draft, then our country’s basic existence as a free and sovereign nation is at stake, and I sincerely hope all American women of draft age would be willing to step up and fight for that. With equal rights come equal responsibilities, and your daughter shouldn’t be able to stay home and get her weekly mani-pedi while the boys go off to do that icky war thing.
Your letter was also full of conveniently cherry-picked information. You quoted the Marine Corps Gender Integration Task Force report citing the success of all-male units vs. integrated ones, but that study also stated “female Marines have performed superbly in the combat environments of Iraq and Afghanistan and are fully part of the fabric of a combat-hardened Marine Corps after the longest period of continuous combat operations in the Corps’ history.” You also failed to add that, in direct contrast to the Marine report, the Army recommended full gender integration of all their combat jobs.
The U.S. military has embraced the 21st century and recognizes that women are a crucial part of our country’s defense. As part of a unit that earned the Gallant Unit Citation for combat action in Afghanistan and having earned an Air Force Commendation Medal for my own actions while serving with Air Force Special Operations Command during the Iraq War in 2003, I am proud to have been one of them.
Kellee Ryan
Colorado Springs
By Kellee Ryan as printed in the Colorado Springs Gazette (26 Jun 2016)
Nothing wrong with drafting women
In reply to Jennifer Beauford’s letter “Don’t Draft Our Daughters” published in the June 19 edition of The Gazette:
Ms. Beauford, let’s just get this out of the way: It is obvious that you have never served in the military. I am a female veteran who served 20 years in the Air Force, and I can tell you that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the concept of drafting women.
There are several steps the president and Congress can take to gradually augment our volunteer forces in times of war before drafting civilians is necessary. If we have implemented all other options and still need the draft, then our country’s basic existence as a free and sovereign nation is at stake, and I sincerely hope all American women of draft age would be willing to step up and fight for that. With equal rights come equal responsibilities, and your daughter shouldn’t be able to stay home and get her weekly mani-pedi while the boys go off to do that icky war thing.
Your letter was also full of conveniently cherry-picked information. You quoted the Marine Corps Gender Integration Task Force report citing the success of all-male units vs. integrated ones, but that study also stated “female Marines have performed superbly in the combat environments of Iraq and Afghanistan and are fully part of the fabric of a combat-hardened Marine Corps after the longest period of continuous combat operations in the Corps’ history.” You also failed to add that, in direct contrast to the Marine report, the Army recommended full gender integration of all their combat jobs.
The U.S. military has embraced the 21st century and recognizes that women are a crucial part of our country’s defense. As part of a unit that earned the Gallant Unit Citation for combat action in Afghanistan and having earned an Air Force Commendation Medal for my own actions while serving with Air Force Special Operations Command during the Iraq War in 2003, I am proud to have been one of them.
Kellee Ryan
Colorado Springs
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So many people willingly join now I doubt there will be a need for a draft again but as part of equality yes sign below and lets go.
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Absolutely not because combat is not an equal opportunity prospect for women, so selective service requirement is inappropriate. Everyone's glossing over that and swallowing whole the lie that women and military men are interchangeable for combat roles. I'm one of a few women who've been arguing against this at length since the repeal announcement in 2013.
The title of the below article isn't accurate, the piece is about the draft prospect, but that was the editor's decision. http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/05/former-female-marine-women-really-dont-want-to-be-in-combat-roles/
Another great piece on this subject from 20 year retired female Marine is here: http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/02/female-gunnery-sergeant-has-hardcore-response-to-rubiochristiebush-on-women-in-combat/
The title of the below article isn't accurate, the piece is about the draft prospect, but that was the editor's decision. http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/05/former-female-marine-women-really-dont-want-to-be-in-combat-roles/
Another great piece on this subject from 20 year retired female Marine is here: http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/02/female-gunnery-sergeant-has-hardcore-response-to-rubiochristiebush-on-women-in-combat/
Female Marine Iraq Veteran: Women Really Don’t Want To Be In Combat Roles
Civilian leaders in the military have heralded the decision open all ground combat roles to women as a sign of progress, but some females who have actually served in the military are none too pleased
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PO2 Robert Cuminale
Sgt Jude Eden - You're so dense light bends around you.
SECDEF says they are and is willing to punish the services for not opening all positions to both sexes. He's riding the Marine Corps especially hard over this. How many times have women been sent through Ranger training until two could pass. Powers greater than you think they ARE interchangeable.
SECDEF says they are and is willing to punish the services for not opening all positions to both sexes. He's riding the Marine Corps especially hard over this. How many times have women been sent through Ranger training until two could pass. Powers greater than you think they ARE interchangeable.
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Sgt Jude Eden
PO2 Robert Cuminale - WTF are you insulting me for? I oppose those ass-clowns and their "decision." We can't discuss it because the "decision" is made?
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Male students who fail to register with Selective Service before turning age 26 are ineligible for Federal student loan and grant programs, including Pell Grants, Federal Work Study, and Stafford Loans. Several states have also made Selective Service registration a prerequisite for state financial aid and for matriculation at public colleges and universities. No such restriction on females. I think it is time to level the playing field when it comes to this.
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You know and I know that 75% of women will not pass the boot camp training. It’s a waste of money time and equipment, if there was a draft for women it should be for the duties that woman can 100% qualify for, then yes a draft should be for women. There are a thousand jobs women can do In case of war besides combat, if it was not for the women of this country; I doubt we would have won the Second World War. They kept the men supplied with equipment and delivered them. Which I think more recognition should be given them today. Besides a Rosie riveter. There should be a national day devoted to the women that sacrificed their all for the cause. But an equal draft means rigors of boot camp and combat training. And say what you wish most will not pass. It behooves me that people in high office can't understand that men and women are built different and are built for different reasons. If you are a god fearing person or an atheist does not change that fact.
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SGT Stacy Moody
SORRY DISLIKE......im not all feminist and crap but women have been in combat for a very long time, so that snuffs out the argument of capability.
Furthermore, there are plenty of men out there that cant cut it in boot camp either, and again they don't have a choice. Just because you can have bigger muscles than I can and do more diamond push ups that I can, by NO means makes you a better combat soldier than I am.....oh PLEASE....I proved that in Desert Storm when I had to calm down the MALE next to me from a panic attack getting shot at....and his muscles were WAY bigger than mine! *Gasp* the horror!
Furthermore, there are plenty of men out there that cant cut it in boot camp either, and again they don't have a choice. Just because you can have bigger muscles than I can and do more diamond push ups that I can, by NO means makes you a better combat soldier than I am.....oh PLEASE....I proved that in Desert Storm when I had to calm down the MALE next to me from a panic attack getting shot at....and his muscles were WAY bigger than mine! *Gasp* the horror!
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