Posted on Mar 17, 2016
SM is being recommended for an ARCOM which he currently has 5 x ARCOMS. Do you place w/ 5OLC or 1SLC? This came up today as a question.
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On the DA Form 638 it would be ARCOM, 5 OLC. OLC doesn't represent bronze or silver, just a Oak Leaf Cluster. You do not specify on the form a Silver OLC or Bronze OLC only the number of total OLC. The award itself would get the Silver OLC. If the SM gets a seventh ARCOM you wouldn't write 1 SOLC AND 1 BOLC. It would just be 6 OLC. and they would wear one silver and one bronze. It gets tricky when you get to 10.
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A silver oak leaf (or star in case of Navy/Marines) is worn in lieu of 4 bronze oak leafs.
Keep in mind that you may only wear 4 accoutrements on a ribbon however which can create some "weird" issues however if you have other devices like V's, or higher numbers of awards.
So as an example, you will go:
Ribbon = 1, Ribbon + OLC = 2, Ribbon +2OLC = 3, Ribbon + 4OLC = 5, Ribbon + Silver OLC = 6.
however 2xRibbon with V + 3 = 5 (because you can't wear 5 devices on a single Ribbon). You end up wearing second ribbon.
Keep in mind that you may only wear 4 accoutrements on a ribbon however which can create some "weird" issues however if you have other devices like V's, or higher numbers of awards.
So as an example, you will go:
Ribbon = 1, Ribbon + OLC = 2, Ribbon +2OLC = 3, Ribbon + 4OLC = 5, Ribbon + Silver OLC = 6.
however 2xRibbon with V + 3 = 5 (because you can't wear 5 devices on a single Ribbon). You end up wearing second ribbon.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
SFC (Join to see) - It's any time that you would go over 4 apertures. A V can result in that at 5 (5th Award plus V) because you would need 1 aperture for the V, and 4 Bronze OLC. You can't wear them all on the same ribbon, therefore 2 ribbons, V device and 3 Bronze OLC.
It's the same concept as 10, but the V makes it happen sooner.
It's the same concept as 10, but the V makes it happen sooner.
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SFC (Join to see) I am in disbelief! The Army system now gives awards rather than promotion and responsibility? Something is wrong in the cited scenario!
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CSM Charles Hayden
Nowadays medals are passed out for doing a good job? Isn't good performance expected - or bust the person for non-performance! Why not promote the person/even "Acting Jacks- Corporal/Sgts), and assign them greater responsibilities? Medals do not spend, teach or fairly reward outstanding performance!
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101st has a blatantly discriminatory awards policy. Why not award what is earned? This goes back to the '80s when I was there.
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I was in the 101st 1991-95 when it comes to awards blatant discrimination comes to no surprise
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SFC (Join to see)
Sorry...wrong answer, You're not understanding the question, it's not about getting an award, but the wording on the DA 638 for the award.
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SFC Paul Garza
I agree... I think it really depends on what your command wants to say is the standard.
Some units/organizations will blanket awards for multiple personnel to make things easy. I know that I have been in several units and they all had their own spin on how they wanted to process things.
Some units/organizations will blanket awards for multiple personnel to make things easy. I know that I have been in several units and they all had their own spin on how they wanted to process things.
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According to what I remember once he has maxed the one that he is wearing he can by reg. Add a second ribbon or medal depending on which he is wearing. This is the way that they work around this type situation. It’s not very common but is the way to properly display the total awards that you have been awarded. It is without a doubt a interesting question. I also am curious as to how a soldier that at Best may have ten years under his belt, how and what has this soldier come to receive so many ARCOMS? I spent eight years and was Medically Discharged Honorably and I only had one AAM, and one ARCOM. it seems that Medals are being issued for almost anything. Not to downplay nor smear this soldier service, but it is very interesting that he has 5 ARCOMS and is being awarded a sixth!
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SSG Shawn Ireland
The attachments are only used to indicate the number of awards he has and under what circumstance he was in when he earned the medal.
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Silver oak leaf cluster. The same thing happened to me. Ribbon is one, 4 oak leaf clusters make five, another award would be one silver olc.
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Okay here is a question for everyone. I couldn’t get a strait answer from anyone while I was in. I had 10 ARCOMs, one of them being with a V device. How should it be worn for a DA photo?
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To answer your question the sm will wear an 1 silver leaf cluster. There is no such thing as a 5 oak leaf clusters.
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My question is "why is an E-7 asking how the regulations are supposed to be worn on the ASU uniform?." This should have been basic knowledge growing through the ranks. At least give a challenging question like how is 10 awards supposed to be worn on a ribbon. (BTW it's 1 silver oak leader cluster, 3 bronze oak leaf clusters and another ribbon placed on the rack.)
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