Posted on Jun 18, 2014
Suicide is NOT an option! Utilize your RallyPoint contacts you have veterans that care about you!!
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I am an Army Chaplain, and I have walked in my own valley of darkness as a WO1, when my nephew committed suicide while I was deployed. I put that out for all of you, if you need a Chaplain and do not have a Chaplain, connect with me and I will talk with you, encourage you, and pray with you.
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Truer words have never been spoken ma'am. If you are in a dark place, reach out. Ask for help. You will be inspired by how many step up to the plate to provide assistance wherever and whenever possible.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
MSG Stankovich:
Thank you for your transparency and support, it was on my heart to address this situation and bring it to the front. I wanted all Rally Point members to understand that they are not alone. I can be in-boxed and if you do not have a Chaplain I will be your Chaplain!
Thank you for your transparency and support, it was on my heart to address this situation and bring it to the front. I wanted all Rally Point members to understand that they are not alone. I can be in-boxed and if you do not have a Chaplain I will be your Chaplain!
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CPT Davis.....I'm sorry about your nephew, my mother died two days later after I deployed. Then, a month and a half afterwards Hurricanes Katrina and Rita hit New Orleans bad. I lost my home, but Thank God my family evacuated one day before it happen. It was very stressful for me because I didn't hear from them in almost two weeks, I was TDY in Belgium at the time. I appreciate your offer to reach out to others, I'm extending the same offer for you too.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
MSG Williams:
Talk to your Soldiers, and offer them a safe place to un-pack their pain. I was in group therapy for an entire year in order for me to be a Hospital Chaplain. I will share with you as much as I despised it, God used it for me to grow and release the pain that changed me personality and now I am able to connect with others.
My Husband's side is from New Orleans as well, and I thank God that we were able to evacuate the entire family. Blessing to all of you.
Talk to your Soldiers, and offer them a safe place to un-pack their pain. I was in group therapy for an entire year in order for me to be a Hospital Chaplain. I will share with you as much as I despised it, God used it for me to grow and release the pain that changed me personality and now I am able to connect with others.
My Husband's side is from New Orleans as well, and I thank God that we were able to evacuate the entire family. Blessing to all of you.
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MSG Floyd Williams
CPT Davis.....I will pray that God strengthen and give you the ability to impact others, God Bless you and your family.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
That is what it is all about we are here to encourage and support one another.
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Since joining RP, I have had several people reach out to me after they learned of my Suicide attempt this past February. Thank you Chaplain Davis for your willingness to be a chaplain to those of us that don't have one.
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LCpl Mark Lefler
No doudt RP is amazing, a lot of people with a lot of life experience ready and willing to share it.
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LCpl Steve Wininger
I have no doubt about people here caring. I appreciate everyone on here and all the support everyone gives to all who ask.
Sometimes, it is not easy to reach out when you are struggling with even identifying what your feeling. I do not say that to make an excuse, And I know that there are many on here that are here to listen and help anyway they can.
Today I have not been in a very good place emotionally, but, I have not been suicidal either. Thank you all for the help and advice.
Sometimes, it is not easy to reach out when you are struggling with even identifying what your feeling. I do not say that to make an excuse, And I know that there are many on here that are here to listen and help anyway they can.
Today I have not been in a very good place emotionally, but, I have not been suicidal either. Thank you all for the help and advice.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
Events in the future at times can trigger deep intense raw emotion due to past traumas.
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Someone has asked if i would share my story, but i will abbreviate it somewhat.
Having dealt with survivor grief first hand can manifest itself into an ugly cancer, and that's the best way to describe.
I deployed in 04-06, MP unit was brand new, built from the ground up, many of us who had 31B as a secondary were cross-leveled into the unit. I was taken out of the fight due to what I believed was an insignificant injury, not according to doctors. I had to leave my brothers & sisters and eventually stay stateside in a support roll. My unit lost 2 Soldiers in Iraq, SGT Howard Allen on Sept 26, 2005 and CPL Jeremiah Robinson Oct 6, 2005. Their deaths were hard to accept especially Howard's. We had several non-MPs, Howard was a cook, a 92G, and cross-trained to be a MP driver. One of my responsibilities was to be one of those trainers for the non-MPs. Robinson just came to us fresh out of MP school.
Fast forward to Sept 2005, hearing the news was unsettling. It made me question myself if I did enough to train Howard in such short of time, did I forget something, was I to stringent, to lax. Then we lost Jeremiah almost 2 weeks later. I spoke to Howard's wife a few days before he was brought home. I broke down in front of her, offered my condolences and my apologies that I couldn't be there to bring him home safe. She gently reassured me that it was okay, that it wasn't my fault, there was nothing I could have done. She told me Howard loved being in the military.
As an NCO, I was taught I have an inherit responsibility to Soldiers and their families. As a leader, not only to mentor, train, coach Soldiers but I must always remember they are someone's son, daughter, sister, brother, wife, husband, father, mother. It was my job, I was entrusted to bring all my Soldiers back home safe and I failed. For years it ate at me, my wife and family even noticed very odd behaviors and moods. I drank more, got angry easier and detached more.
Before my unit got back, a Soldier very close to me, committed suicide in March 2005, she had deployed earlier, ironically it was the day after we all had our annual briefs one of which was the suicide prevention. What made it even more devastating, no one caught any of the signs, not even me. When my unit got back in 06, we lost a Soldier to suicide, SPC Scott Belcher, I don't think it was even a few days after their return. Another Soldier, got intoxicated in bar in his hometown, got into a physical altercation and died of his injuries a few weeks later, and yes it was PTSD related. In the years to follow, several other members of the unit lost the battle to PTSD:
2008 SGT Ted Duhaime, committed suicide in his backyard
2010, SFC Rick Kellog committed suicide at home while I was deployed in 09-10 in Afghanistan. My NCOIC at the tme, during the deployment, also served in the same MP unit, he was shocked when I told him the news.
2011, SFC Christopher Palmer committed suicide in his home.
A lot of thought the unit was cursed somehow. Through the years I immersed myself in being a Unit FRG Liaison, being active to take care of Soldiers and families because I wasn't going to let another one slip though my hands. All of it, the suicides and deaths, added up to the guilt & pain I was feeling. I had lost some friends over the course of the war in Iraq & Afghanistan either because of deployment or suicide. I had thought it couldn't happen to me I researched PTSD, studied it, looked for signs in everyone else because as a leader, I was charged to look out for my Soldiers, their health & welfare, their families & loved ones and bring them home safe. The hard reality & truth is that I was the last one to look at myself. I started to recognize the symptoms and learned quickly to mask them from everyone, but you can’t hide the truth from yourself. It will come to a tipping point, I will reflect on the lyrics from the rock group Creed's song ‘One last breath’: "I'm six feet from the edge and I'm thinking, maybe six feet aint so far down."
6 months after returning from deployment, I made an attempt on my own life, I was done, I wanted the pain, the feelings everything to just stop. Here I thought, well I'm next I guess, another victim of that MP unit's curse. I was almost successful. That edge doesn’t seem as scary now, but know this, I had a lot to reflect on, I got counseling, my wife and I got counseling. I turned to Buddhism, again, and focused on getting better by finding other ways not only to help myself but others as well.
We are taught to hide pain, push thru it, “soldier on”, “suck it up and drive on” and so forth. In dealing with PTSD, you can’t do that. Too often I hear toxic leaders, enlisted and officer, perpetuate the stigma of one seeking help is a sign of weakness, however the opposite is true, it shows true strength, personal and moral courage. Denial is a caustic and dangerous thing. It may seem like you will never find your way out and that there is just a dark hole above you, but there is a way out, it is a fight and always will be.
Having dealt with survivor grief first hand can manifest itself into an ugly cancer, and that's the best way to describe.
I deployed in 04-06, MP unit was brand new, built from the ground up, many of us who had 31B as a secondary were cross-leveled into the unit. I was taken out of the fight due to what I believed was an insignificant injury, not according to doctors. I had to leave my brothers & sisters and eventually stay stateside in a support roll. My unit lost 2 Soldiers in Iraq, SGT Howard Allen on Sept 26, 2005 and CPL Jeremiah Robinson Oct 6, 2005. Their deaths were hard to accept especially Howard's. We had several non-MPs, Howard was a cook, a 92G, and cross-trained to be a MP driver. One of my responsibilities was to be one of those trainers for the non-MPs. Robinson just came to us fresh out of MP school.
Fast forward to Sept 2005, hearing the news was unsettling. It made me question myself if I did enough to train Howard in such short of time, did I forget something, was I to stringent, to lax. Then we lost Jeremiah almost 2 weeks later. I spoke to Howard's wife a few days before he was brought home. I broke down in front of her, offered my condolences and my apologies that I couldn't be there to bring him home safe. She gently reassured me that it was okay, that it wasn't my fault, there was nothing I could have done. She told me Howard loved being in the military.
As an NCO, I was taught I have an inherit responsibility to Soldiers and their families. As a leader, not only to mentor, train, coach Soldiers but I must always remember they are someone's son, daughter, sister, brother, wife, husband, father, mother. It was my job, I was entrusted to bring all my Soldiers back home safe and I failed. For years it ate at me, my wife and family even noticed very odd behaviors and moods. I drank more, got angry easier and detached more.
Before my unit got back, a Soldier very close to me, committed suicide in March 2005, she had deployed earlier, ironically it was the day after we all had our annual briefs one of which was the suicide prevention. What made it even more devastating, no one caught any of the signs, not even me. When my unit got back in 06, we lost a Soldier to suicide, SPC Scott Belcher, I don't think it was even a few days after their return. Another Soldier, got intoxicated in bar in his hometown, got into a physical altercation and died of his injuries a few weeks later, and yes it was PTSD related. In the years to follow, several other members of the unit lost the battle to PTSD:
2008 SGT Ted Duhaime, committed suicide in his backyard
2010, SFC Rick Kellog committed suicide at home while I was deployed in 09-10 in Afghanistan. My NCOIC at the tme, during the deployment, also served in the same MP unit, he was shocked when I told him the news.
2011, SFC Christopher Palmer committed suicide in his home.
A lot of thought the unit was cursed somehow. Through the years I immersed myself in being a Unit FRG Liaison, being active to take care of Soldiers and families because I wasn't going to let another one slip though my hands. All of it, the suicides and deaths, added up to the guilt & pain I was feeling. I had lost some friends over the course of the war in Iraq & Afghanistan either because of deployment or suicide. I had thought it couldn't happen to me I researched PTSD, studied it, looked for signs in everyone else because as a leader, I was charged to look out for my Soldiers, their health & welfare, their families & loved ones and bring them home safe. The hard reality & truth is that I was the last one to look at myself. I started to recognize the symptoms and learned quickly to mask them from everyone, but you can’t hide the truth from yourself. It will come to a tipping point, I will reflect on the lyrics from the rock group Creed's song ‘One last breath’: "I'm six feet from the edge and I'm thinking, maybe six feet aint so far down."
6 months after returning from deployment, I made an attempt on my own life, I was done, I wanted the pain, the feelings everything to just stop. Here I thought, well I'm next I guess, another victim of that MP unit's curse. I was almost successful. That edge doesn’t seem as scary now, but know this, I had a lot to reflect on, I got counseling, my wife and I got counseling. I turned to Buddhism, again, and focused on getting better by finding other ways not only to help myself but others as well.
We are taught to hide pain, push thru it, “soldier on”, “suck it up and drive on” and so forth. In dealing with PTSD, you can’t do that. Too often I hear toxic leaders, enlisted and officer, perpetuate the stigma of one seeking help is a sign of weakness, however the opposite is true, it shows true strength, personal and moral courage. Denial is a caustic and dangerous thing. It may seem like you will never find your way out and that there is just a dark hole above you, but there is a way out, it is a fight and always will be.
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SrA Eric Olsen
SSG Garza,
That takes courage coming out and telling your story. We really need more veterans and current active duty to do the same. To experience PTSD no matter the cause doesn't mean we are weak. It means we are human. And just like any injury those feelings need time to heal under the proper care.
That takes courage coming out and telling your story. We really need more veterans and current active duty to do the same. To experience PTSD no matter the cause doesn't mean we are weak. It means we are human. And just like any injury those feelings need time to heal under the proper care.
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SSG Garza,
There are no words to express gratitude with sharing your story in hopes that it will help a military member not to go down the path of suicide. My heart grieves for those we lost and I grieve with you. Thank God you did not lose your life to suicide and I'm glad to hear that you got help. I sure hope that we can prevent future suicides. I stand with you all the way to help our military community get the support and help that they need.
There are no words to express gratitude with sharing your story in hopes that it will help a military member not to go down the path of suicide. My heart grieves for those we lost and I grieve with you. Thank God you did not lose your life to suicide and I'm glad to hear that you got help. I sure hope that we can prevent future suicides. I stand with you all the way to help our military community get the support and help that they need.
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As someone who has walked through their own dark valley one thing I can tell you that helps is true honest caring friendships. If you see a fellow veteran or current member of the armed forces that seems to spend way too much time alone they may need a good solid friend to come alongside them. It can make a huge positive difference in their lives whether they or you realize it.
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LCpl Steve Wininger
Very True SrA Olsen. Suicide, depression and hopelessness does not discriminate.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
SrA Olsen:
You, are absolutely correct, childhood abuse, sexual molestation, are to contributing factors to PTSD.
You, are absolutely correct, childhood abuse, sexual molestation, are to contributing factors to PTSD.
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SrA Eric Olsen
In addition, accidents like automobile or plane crashes, and childhood bullying can also play a huge part.
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Safety: everyone's responsibility, not just safety rep.
Distress intervention: everyone's responsibility, not just mental health counselor's
Suicide intervention: everyone's responsibility, not just emergency responders or chaplains.
See the pattern?
ACT: Ask how the person's feeling. Care about his or her well-being. Treat by remaining by his or her side until more help arrives.
EVERY PROBLEM is temporary. Use appropriate TEMPORARY solutions!
Distress intervention: everyone's responsibility, not just mental health counselor's
Suicide intervention: everyone's responsibility, not just emergency responders or chaplains.
See the pattern?
ACT: Ask how the person's feeling. Care about his or her well-being. Treat by remaining by his or her side until more help arrives.
EVERY PROBLEM is temporary. Use appropriate TEMPORARY solutions!
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
PO1 Dronzin:
That was well said, it is about people, it about treating folks like to would want some one to treat you. You do not have to have all the answers just be genuine!
That was well said, it is about people, it about treating folks like to would want some one to treat you. You do not have to have all the answers just be genuine!
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You are an ardent supporter for those that need it most! There are several here in the RallyPoint community who have benefited from your generosity and encouragement. To any service-member who needs support, you are a beacon. If there is anything I can do to support your role in this endeavor, do not hesitate to ask.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
CPT Riley:
I just want to address that pain impacts everyone differently, some repress their pain, some project their pain, some mask their pain with sex, drugs, and alcohol. I want all veterans to know that they are not alone.
I just want to address that pain impacts everyone differently, some repress their pain, some project their pain, some mask their pain with sex, drugs, and alcohol. I want all veterans to know that they are not alone.
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Thank you for your willingness to open up and offer your services as a Chaplain, CPT Davis. I agree, there are many contacts here on RP that are willing to offer help and support and care to others, including myself.
I was quiet for years because all I knew was "Suck-it-Up." I am silent no more.
I strongly encourage this forum and hope other veterans will open up and seek the resources that they need.
I was quiet for years because all I knew was "Suck-it-Up." I am silent no more.
I strongly encourage this forum and hope other veterans will open up and seek the resources that they need.
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SSG (Join to see)
There should be no more silence. There should be no more shaming and it needs to start from our leaders. SrA Olsen put it best, we are human. SrA Richards, thank you for your kind words, your service and good to have you here.
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Maam,
Trying to spread the word on this project. I would really like to see it succeed.
http://www.petizz.com/the-cornerstone-project.html contains a contact form to get involved with the Cave Junction, OR cornerstone project for Wounded Warriors. The site is up and running and currently undergoing some upgrades.
Trying to spread the word on this project. I would really like to see it succeed.
http://www.petizz.com/the-cornerstone-project.html contains a contact form to get involved with the Cave Junction, OR cornerstone project for Wounded Warriors. The site is up and running and currently undergoing some upgrades.
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Hear, Hear Chaplain. Reach out to us. We really do care about you and maybe just maybe we have been there ourselves. I have had a few bumps in the Road and I want you to know how cool it is to be a Grandpa or Grandma. Makes everything worthwhile.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
I want to thank all of those that have served before us, and my heart is heavy for those that are in so much pain. I a in agreement and will share with all that you have a Chaplain, you have support, you have those that have had bumps along the way that will support you when you stumble!
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
I will share with you that I have childhood PTSD and for those that have traumatic childhood trauma you are prone to be a PTSD suffer. Dysfunctional family patterns from childhood may be repeated in ways that repeat victim-perpetrator dynamics.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
Bi-Polar (Genetic). Yeah Buddy Suicidal Teenager to Hardcore Navy Spook. Someone found an outlet to what would normally be anti-social abilities and skills. I didn't relate to others well. My chosen occupation encouraged that I was locked in safes with folks that were very similar to me. I was a Geek. Most spooks are Geeks. I could pick locks. If you work on safes all the time it helps if you were a lock pick. If you would rather listen in to others conversations, join and organization that pays you to do that.
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