Posted on Nov 8, 2013
Tension between National Guard and Active Duty Army?
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I have served in both capacities and even on active duty while in the Guard. I constantly hear Active Duty gripe about the National Guard, and yet even worse I have also heard National Guard gripe about the National Guard. I am very pound of my unit's achievements in the past and while I have served with them. We have fought and lost great men just like our counterparts in the Active Duty Army. I make sure to crush it where I find it. We didn't get the name of Roosevelt's SS for nothing. We literally shredded the German's 1st SS in WWII and later deployed twice to OIF. <div><br></div><div>How do you approach this situation, whether you're in the National Guard or Regular Army? Or are you guilty of doing this? I was in the past. </div>
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I served in Iraq with some National Guard Soldiers. One failed his PT test and whined about how hard the walk was. These same Soldiers went home at 12 months (because it was against regs to keep them longer) while us AD folks stayed for another 3 months. Not to mention these individuals complained about their once in 3-4 years deployment. I know many Soldiers who have been in for 10 years and have seen 5 deployments. Most are great Soldiers and people, but as the saying goes "a few bad apples spoil the bunch".
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SGT Beau Thomas
The pool of NG soldiers you are judging from seems pretty small. I did 3 Itaq tours in 7 years with the guard that equaled 4 years 9 months title 10 active duty time. Then I did a 9 month title 32 mission on the Texas border right after that. That is not uncommon in the Guard. our general said there is no rest and recover time for the guard, if the state needs soldiers, we could be yanked from our organic unit and activated. That happened a lot during the Iraq war. We also received about 60 Purple Hearts on my first two tours and a MUC.
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LTC Stephen Conway
I got a 300 on my APFT in Kirkuk, Iraq. I was 42 and I got a 13:18 in the 2-mile run. The BDE CSM was my evaluator. The ARNG is not perfect but I NEVER got below a 265 and my last APFT in 2019 was 299. The military screwed themselves over by kicking people out who did not want to take the experimental Covid vaccines. Now they have the ACFT and some cannot pass but I did just before I retired in late 2021.
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The RC is 55% of the total force. Like it or not, we are here to be with you and be the point of the spear.
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LTC Stephen Conway
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We bleed red just like you and die for our country. 1SG Rowe was not a weakling.
He as an Airborne CA 1SG.
We are at your side and our IDs no longer say ARMY Guard or USAR so those like you do not screw us over or think you are special.
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We bleed red just like you and die for our country. 1SG Rowe was not a weakling.
He as an Airborne CA 1SG.
We are at your side and our IDs no longer say ARMY Guard or USAR so those like you do not screw us over or think you are special.
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LTC Stephen Conway
CA soldiers usually deploy every other year in the USAR. I recall that as a CPT the Army offered 10K for a Captain like me to stay on for another 3 or 4 years. The OPTEMPO was too high in 2008-2011 so it was offered. I took the bonus then though I did not retire until I was 59. I still could run the 2 mile in 15 minutes as an old man after doing the ACFT. Do not underestimate ALL of us.
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<p>Although I am Air Force we did have some of that too. Me, I make no such distinctions, only that one time in our weather unit, a National Guard Weather Forecaster was telling me how much their observers are over the Active Duty observers. I then asked him if that is so, why is their altimeter setting off by .5 inches?</p><p> </p><p>He was then cursing at his observer. The forecaster had a Phd as well. As an aside he said I was the best observer, hands down.</p><p> </p><p>It is prudent to be judicious in our words and our actions. The above scenario is just empirical and on it's own proves nothing, except we are all fallible.</p>
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COL Bill Aquino
I think the only solution is leadership. There will always be the differences of perception that fuels arguments. I believe that this long conflict and commitments have bridges a number of gaps that arose after WW2. We cannot forget that it was citizen Soldiers that made the stand at the birth of our great nation and filled the ranks of our Military during WW2. I fear that the pending reductions in manpower and funding will only resurface the friction to an increased level again. These petty differences only detract from the strength of our military...the unity of its service members...Active and Reserve.
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COL Bill Aquino
I think the only solution is leadership. There will always be the differences of perception that fuels arguments. I believe that this long conflict and commitments have bridges a number of gaps that arose after WW2. We cannot forget that it was citizen Soldiers that made the stand at the birth of our great nation and filled the ranks of our Military during WW2. I fear that the pending reductions in manpower and funding will only resurface the friction to an increased level again. These petty differences only detract from the strength of our military...the unity of its service members...Active and Reserve.
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COL Bill Aquino
I think the only solution is leadership. There will always be the differences of perception that fuels arguments. I believe that this long conflict and commitments have bridges a number of gaps that arose after WW2. We cannot forget that it was citizen Soldiers that made the stand at the birth of our great nation and filled the ranks of our Military during WW2. I fear that the pending reductions in manpower and funding will only resurface the friction to an increased level again. These petty differences only detract from the strength of our military...the unity of its service members...Active and Reserve.
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This disparity has always bothered me as well. Do you remember the first time you heard a distinction being made? I do... it was basic training, whenever we lined up for anything it was RA, Reserves, NG.
This disparity has always bothered me as well. Do you remember the first time you heard a distinction being made? I do... it was basic training, whenever we lined up for anything it was RA, Reserves, NG.
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Back in the 80's I witness an exchange between an active duty soldier and a national guardsmen. The Guardsmen asked, "are you in the guard?" The active duty soldier replied angrily, " no! I am in the Real Army!" The Guardsmen smiled and said, "Oh, can I ask you a question? In the Guard it takes us 2 days to do what you do in 30 days, what do you do for the other 28 days?"
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That is one way of going about it. I don't think it would have went down very well. I get confused as AD all the time. You don't see to many NG soldiers with Airborne and Ranger. While I was at Ranger School we had to do a series of tasks. It was like 9 in all. I did all of them perfect. The last station asked what unit I was from I told him North Carolina National Guard. He was said "WTF! You are the most squared away Guardsmen I have ever seen!"
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MSG Alfred Aguilar
It did not go down well. I also have worked with AC units who did not realize we were RC soldiers until we were moving out. I have seen good and not so good soldiers in all components. Things are changing, now reserve and NG soldiers are viewed "for the most part" as just another tool in the tool bag.
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In the immortal words of a famous Disney princess, “Let it go!” There will always be bitchin’ between the various branches, Reserves, and the National Guard units. Just know that when it gets real out there, we all fight as one bad a$$ country and we will “protect this house!”
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I might be seeing you around one day. The 118th should be joining the 30th ABCT as our 3rd maneuver battalion. I am curious how you are a gunner. Is your battalion combined arms?
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Yes we are. Two infantry and two tank companies. I've been the HHC gunner for the S3 for two years. Now I'm waiting to head back to a line company so I can take my own tank.
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CPT (Join to see) - Are you in Kosovo with NCARNG? That would explain why you were up all night.
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I served in both, yes i have made jokes but truthfully it's not much of a difference. To me it was the best way to transition from regular army and to get adjusted to being a civilian again. Plus i got deployed for OEF with the guard and we didn't have issues.
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SGT Glenn E Moody
CPT (Join to see) - yes sir some think the AR is better than the Guard some RA never worked A CIVILIAN JOB went rite into the ARMY from HIGH SCHOOL i got to work and learn A few trades I left SCHOOL in 1977/78 year got A job in autobody then tried retail stock warehouse and on the road picking up stock for the store back to autobody then in 1980 RONALD REAGAN was running for PRESIDENT I didn't really follow politics just what i saw on TV i heard REAGAN's speech about the IRAN HOSTAGES IF HE WON THE ELECTION AND THE HOTSAGES ARE NOT RELEASTED HE WAS COMMING TO TAKE THEM WITH THE FULL BRUNT OF OUR MILITARY MIGHT THE DAY HE TOOK HIS OATH OF OFFICE THE HOSTAGES GOT RELEASTED that was 20 JAN 1981 i joined the ARMY NATIONAL GUARD ON 10 DEC 1981 on the weekends I trained for war against RUSSIA during the week I worked at civilian jobs just for $$$$ until I found the job I liked in auto Mechanics carpentry shipbuilding guard duty on the weekends ordered security guard Handycap van driver taxi driver alot of different trades most proud one was my ARMY NATIONAL GUARD HONORABLE DISCHARGE my FAMILY GREW TO MILLIANS OF BROTHERS & SISTERS ARMY NAVY MARINES COAST GUARD AIR FORCE POLICE & FIREMEN & WOMEN IVE GOT YOUR 6 UNTIL THE DAY WE DIE GOD BLESS YOU ALL & GOD BLESS AMERICA
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This is a sort of sensitive issue to me. I was very very disappointed with Col. Steel's decision to tell 101st before they replaced us in Iraq late 2005 that they should listen to us 'weekend warriors' because we 'didn't know what the hell we were doing'. I was very upset to see the amount of soldiers that were lost because of his arrogance.
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SGT Glenn E Moody
just A fact we are the 101st infantry MA NATIONAL GUARD 26th (YANKEE) INFANTRY DIVISION WW-1 & WW-2 until the early 1990's my time was 1981 to 1987 Co. C 1st 101st infantry during WW2 my unit along 2 other Regiments of the 26th YD infantry was part of PATSONS 3rd ARMY MECH INFANTRY in the Battle of the buldge but the new 101st ariborn got all of the credit just another exsample of the ARNG getting shit on by the RA & the Brass thier is books on it from the WW-2 members that was thier we still have one that comes to our veterans meetings he is 98 years young at the meeting yesterday he walked up to me and called me SIR with A handshake i was so honored i gave him a hug he is old enough to be my grand-pa we served in the same DIVISION he gave me the respect like I was with him in the BULDGE during WW-2 our unit & division goes back to the nation's first 1635 SALEM MA with only 4 Regiments north south east west
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SGT Glenn E Moody
SGT Glenn E Moody - this past year we lost one. of our last 3 WW 11 veterans. the one of mention in my last post above. I found A WW 11 YD garden or wall flag.I bought it for him just because. it made him so happy
it was my honor. he told me his wife put it up on the wall of his home. I really miss him @ our meeting's. we just had our last meeting 24 FEB. 2024 I am still servicing as SGT AT ARMS 26th (YANKEE) INFANTRY DIVISION VETERANS ASSOCIATION known as the Y.D.V.A. BOSTON MA. CHAPTER I will serve until the day I die no one has ever relieved me of my OATH to serve or never cashed the blank check that only military & veterans understand the DD 214 & NGB-22 only relives us of active duty most of us would cash that check in defence of GOD & COUNTRY. I KNOW I WILL PERIOD
it was my honor. he told me his wife put it up on the wall of his home. I really miss him @ our meeting's. we just had our last meeting 24 FEB. 2024 I am still servicing as SGT AT ARMS 26th (YANKEE) INFANTRY DIVISION VETERANS ASSOCIATION known as the Y.D.V.A. BOSTON MA. CHAPTER I will serve until the day I die no one has ever relieved me of my OATH to serve or never cashed the blank check that only military & veterans understand the DD 214 & NGB-22 only relives us of active duty most of us would cash that check in defence of GOD & COUNTRY. I KNOW I WILL PERIOD
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SGT Glenn E Moody
us weekend warrior's bring our trade exspaireance along with our Military to the battle front most R-ARMY are only just Military trained and only have that skills set. us ARNG have our Civilian job on top of our Military skills. most of us have many trade skills. most Military skills are drilled in to your head for your MOS. you don't learn anyother skills until you change your MOS.
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SSG Philip Brice made a GOOD COMMENT about the "good ole boy" system. That used to make me SOOOO MAD. But now that I think about it, so many Guard units come from smaller communities and the retention rates seem forever (I've seen Officers resign their commissions to stay in units - still mind boggling). I think that is part-and-parcel of the Guard and probably a characteristic that goes back to the earliest Colonial militias.
***Its been a decade since I read TRUMAN, but it seems that CPT Harry S Truman, FA MOARNG. Talked about the tension between the AC and Reserves/Guard much like we do. The old Army was always SO SMALL and a USMA mafia. Some things never change.
***MacArthur made some excellent comments on the matter of good old boys- especially the 42nd Division.
***Its been a decade since I read TRUMAN, but it seems that CPT Harry S Truman, FA MOARNG. Talked about the tension between the AC and Reserves/Guard much like we do. The old Army was always SO SMALL and a USMA mafia. Some things never change.
***MacArthur made some excellent comments on the matter of good old boys- especially the 42nd Division.
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I found the National Guard more difficult to manage. Hard enough to have a family and a full time job, or being on active duty (at least housing, food, and heat were provided). But working full time, balancing family and the National Guard was difficult. The constant change of drill weekends, 2 weeks turning into 3. Using vacation time from work so the family suffers as well. The job and training at the unit was fine, as were the people.
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I can say the same thing. I spent the 4 months at Benning then went home for a month and a half only to return to fort benning for another 4 months. I got home and went to my Annual Training and a month later I was in another school for 6 weeks and then mobilized and deployed. I haven't been to my civilian job in about a year and half. I feel you on that one.
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This is not a criticism of the Active Duty: It is my opinion that in wartime operations, the National Guard is simply better motivated to complete the mission and return home.
In my first two years, the 45th Bde was the "roundout" brigade for 1ST Cav. We were treated pretty poorly by them and that colored my opinions for a long time. I also learned that there was a long standing tension between the units back to 1940. In the Louisiana Maneuvers, 45th ID and 1st Cav opposed each other force on force through three exercises. 1st Cav won the first two, the first far more easily than the second. In the third though, the 180th Regiment had to be called off by the OCs--they had so effectively cut off the division's HQ that their horses were in danger of starvation. Later in Korea, the 45th replaced the 1st Cav in the line after the 8th Cav Regiment had been overrun in 1951. While that should not have produced bad blood, it seems to have done so. Got quite a shock by our reception by 1st Cav on our last deployment to Afghanistan. Perhaps, simply enough time had elapsed without contact between us. My perception was that any barbs traded, and there were some, were generally good natured.
In my first two years, the 45th Bde was the "roundout" brigade for 1ST Cav. We were treated pretty poorly by them and that colored my opinions for a long time. I also learned that there was a long standing tension between the units back to 1940. In the Louisiana Maneuvers, 45th ID and 1st Cav opposed each other force on force through three exercises. 1st Cav won the first two, the first far more easily than the second. In the third though, the 180th Regiment had to be called off by the OCs--they had so effectively cut off the division's HQ that their horses were in danger of starvation. Later in Korea, the 45th replaced the 1st Cav in the line after the 8th Cav Regiment had been overrun in 1951. While that should not have produced bad blood, it seems to have done so. Got quite a shock by our reception by 1st Cav on our last deployment to Afghanistan. Perhaps, simply enough time had elapsed without contact between us. My perception was that any barbs traded, and there were some, were generally good natured.
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