Posted on May 5, 2015
This soldier refused to give up on an Army road march. Your thoughts?
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Are you kidding me? I've done the EIB. When I was PFC. I was in the same way at 2 hours and 59 minutes. EIB or the EFMB is no joke. When a Soldier, male or female, can push themselves to finish something tough like this when their body says, " We're done" That sh** pumps me up. It would have been too easy for her to just stay down. But she said, "F*** you legs, lets go, now!"
"Murica is strong in this one.
"Murica is strong in this one.
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CPL Bishop, I completed my MCREST HIKE on Camp Pendleton, Camp San Mateo in 2000. I was stationed with 1/5 B.Co 1st PLT. That Hike was no joke. My Boot Camp Picture
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Cpl Christopher Bishop
Awesome! Yeah those hikes...I don't imagine too many have much energy left for combatant activities afterwards lol
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Maj John Bell
Cpl Christopher Bishop - The standard allowed for 5% drop between the core rifle battalion and non-rifle battalion reinforcements.
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I would like to comment on this as I was there. I was a candidate who was fortunate to of earned an EFMB with her and was proud to be in formation next to her as we were awarded our badges.
To me its not about the fact that she is a female or an officer, it is about is someone that reached their physical limit but had the mental toughness to finish what she set out to do and to not quit. I can tell you that the training/testing was demanding both mentally and physically.
There were soldiers there from all walks of the military. Some came trained better than others, some prepared more than others. Some soldiers were in peak physical condition and others not so much. Looking back on this I am sure that we all would of trained more. This soldier obviously had the toughness to finish when her body was telling her to quit. I am also certain that she will share her experience and help the future candidates be more prepared.
I think that when stories like this hit the social media circuit it is easy for us to judge or to form an opinion. As a leader I find her accomplishment to be nothing short of inspirational. I think that good leaders always push their soldiers, we try to teach our soldiers to overcome barriers, to keep pushing ourselves. She did just that and thats what is important. She lead by example.
During the graduation ceremony which immediatly followed the ruck march they placed a chair next to her in formation and she refused to sit in it and had it taken out of formation. To me this was another act of her mental and physical toughness.
Prior to EFMB I did not know this soldier or any other candidate for that manner. What I can tell you is that we all pushed ourselves day in and day out. It was not easy by any means.
In closing I think that we can all take something from this. Something that we can use to motivate fellow soldiers or even ourselves, friends or family members. To her I say congratulations and job well done!
To me its not about the fact that she is a female or an officer, it is about is someone that reached their physical limit but had the mental toughness to finish what she set out to do and to not quit. I can tell you that the training/testing was demanding both mentally and physically.
There were soldiers there from all walks of the military. Some came trained better than others, some prepared more than others. Some soldiers were in peak physical condition and others not so much. Looking back on this I am sure that we all would of trained more. This soldier obviously had the toughness to finish when her body was telling her to quit. I am also certain that she will share her experience and help the future candidates be more prepared.
I think that when stories like this hit the social media circuit it is easy for us to judge or to form an opinion. As a leader I find her accomplishment to be nothing short of inspirational. I think that good leaders always push their soldiers, we try to teach our soldiers to overcome barriers, to keep pushing ourselves. She did just that and thats what is important. She lead by example.
During the graduation ceremony which immediatly followed the ruck march they placed a chair next to her in formation and she refused to sit in it and had it taken out of formation. To me this was another act of her mental and physical toughness.
Prior to EFMB I did not know this soldier or any other candidate for that manner. What I can tell you is that we all pushed ourselves day in and day out. It was not easy by any means.
In closing I think that we can all take something from this. Something that we can use to motivate fellow soldiers or even ourselves, friends or family members. To her I say congratulations and job well done!
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CSM Michael Chavaree
SSgt (Join to see) - do you have less time for PT? Or is less of your time spent on PT...
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CSM Michael Chavaree - I worked with some Rangers for a while. During normal day to day operations, their mission was to train and do PT from the time they came to work till the time they went home. Of course I do PT on my own everyday, but my point was that I have a job to do while I am at work and don't have the luxury of doing PT 8-10 hours a day as my primary duty. My time working with them was very limited, so I cannot and will not say that its like this everywhere. Just going by what I have seen.
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CSM Michael Chavaree
SSgt (Join to see) - I served in the Ranger Regiment for a while, we have work to do as well, we get the same exact amount of time for PT as everyone else, not sure what Rangers you saw doing PT for 8-10 hours...
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I like seeing soldiers succeed. Their gender is irrelevant in that regard.
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SFC Charles S.
COL Jean (John) F. B. Sir, agreed, I think just achieving the Win in the Team column is a great thing.
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The better question is why does this make national news. I wouldn't put it in the newspaper, much less television and internet. Many units conduct a 12 mile foot march every quarter. All I saw was someone who needs to do far more conditioning so they dont hurt themselves next time.
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Cpl Christopher Bishop
Earns their place in the Infantry perhaps....Oh no, wait....how about Enlisted on a Guaranteed Infantry Contract by choice even with high ASVAB scores...and ran in at 18 instead of using college as an excuse to avoid soon-to-be-coming war. =)
Does that about cover it for ya, SSG Jared Allen? =)
Does that about cover it for ya, SSG Jared Allen? =)
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SFC (Join to see)
No, women in the infantry is a self-serving social justice idea that will do nothing to improve the quality or ability of the infantry but will serve as a feel good to a select few at the cost of the total force. Using words like "get to" really illustrate that the wrong reasons are behind the concept. There is nothing luxurious about the infantry. The goal here is to win some kind of silly battle for "equality" and not to be the best fighting force we can be. For that reason I will never accept the self serving premise of this crap. Men and women are not equal, that fact is known by all.
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1SG (Join to see)
Before this gets out of hand you must remember that women in the infantry has been on the board for some time. I personally do not mind women in a fighting roll as long as they adhere to the same exact standard that I do. By this I mean they must complete the same standards in place and those standards should not be lowered to accommodate them or anyone for that matter. Infantryman have the weight on their shoulders and the physical and mental requirements to complete the job are high and those standards should never be lowered to make an equality move.
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Before what gets out of hand? I mustn't remember anything, it doesn't matter how long the social justice league has been trying to put women in combat arms. Doesn't change the fact the transition would do nothing to better the force, but would rather likely reduce its readiness and ability. Therefore it is a self-serving agenda. What standards are you referring to when you say they have to meet them?
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I'm proud of the effort but have a hard time celebrating the achievement, a 12 mile foot March is a basic Soldier task. Yes she completed it, but at the cost of her ability to continue the fight. And yes I understand this is a school, my point is simply that I personally don't see this as an accomplishment of merit, maybe more so an indicator that some more preparation was in order.
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CSM Michael Chavaree
CPT Bob Moore - It is basic, thats why you only need a 180 on your pt test with a 60 in each event. Commanders must ensure all canidates are physically prepared for EFMB to include ready for the 12 mile road march. Its all in the MOI for EFMB testing.
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CSM Michael Chavaree
SGT (Join to see) - Yeah but they are not physically hard and only last about 20 mins then you sit around for the rest of the day... And land nav is not physically hard.
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SFC Robert Schatteles
Sorry you feel that way, I earned my EFMB, and I can tell that it is Physically and Mentally tasking for 5 days. I was in excellent shape when I went and by the time I was done with the 12 Miles I was exhausted as were the other candidates that finished. What she showed was perseverance. Especially for a Medical Field Officer where your average PT session is on your own.
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PFC Eric Parrish
Pushing limits, that's the way to become stronger and recognize our weakness so we can work on it and be better for the next challenge.
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I saw that video a few days ago. Pretty inspiring to see someone want to get through the end that badly. Regardless of the distance, when you reach your physical limit and push on, it means something.
I also thought I heard someone say "Don't touch her" as she neared the finish line. I am glad someone had the situational awareness to make sure others cheered her on, but didn't assist her. That assistance would have DQed her from the EFMB, if I recall correctly.
I also thought I heard someone say "Don't touch her" as she neared the finish line. I am glad someone had the situational awareness to make sure others cheered her on, but didn't assist her. That assistance would have DQed her from the EFMB, if I recall correctly.
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CPL Eric Allen
you are correct about not touching her she would get DQ'ed i believe that's how it goes with any road march.
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The more we keep drawing attention to male vs. female in combat MOSs the more of a wedge we keep driving between the genders and the more we keep making an issue where there is none. SMs should be acknowledged and praised as SMs period.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
This comment was posted under a different topic which must have been merged into this one because the tone of the original post specifically addressed the gender issue
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CPT(P) (Join to see)
Gender, race, religion. Who cares? A Soldier is a Soldier. I agree. The more we highlight the superficial aspects, the more the actual content of these stories/issues get fuzzy.
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LTC John Griscom
Supposedly a comment was made by a Saudi prince that the US had no females in Saudi during Desert Storm; they were just males with female attributes.
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I am a proud holder of that badge. If only 25% pass then does that mean that 75% are not fit to be combat medical soldiers? I doubt it. That test not only tests knowledge, skill and personal fitness but also teamwork and leadership (ie litter obstacle course) under conditions of stress. The teamwork part of the test is the biggest reason I am proud to wear that badge and be part of the elite community of Army medics! This event also involves teamwork in that her fellow soldiers are cheering her on! I have seen this type of situation on PT tests and obstacle courses as well. She may not necessarily be the last one to complete the course; only the last one who PASSED the road march portion of the test. Not quitting and having fellow soldiers cheer her on is part of what being a soldier is about! She will also know that she should continue to work on her fitness as well. I'm very proud of CPT Cudd and part of the fraternity of EFMB holders that she is now in.
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I accept walking 12 miles with a moderate load, in moderate temps with an unlimited supply of water available, medical support on hand if needed, no threat of enemy fire or IED device, and a ready group of cheerleaders providing mental support was a significant emotional and physical challenge for her, and that she persevered. On a personal level, Well done Captain. You pushed yourself when your body said quit.. That is an accomplishment no one can ever takeaway.
I do not see it as a significant emotional challenge in general and view it as a feel good story only.. Not as a significant accomplishment or news worth.
I do not see it as a significant emotional challenge in general and view it as a feel good story only.. Not as a significant accomplishment or news worth.
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SrA Zachary W Almost without exception, the people who approve of her performances have been Air Force. I have seen others since my original comment. Mostly medical and other FEMFs...and they usually attack me.
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Mike Flynn, as a recovering member of the Infantry that earned his EIB, I have to say that your inability to appreciate the accomplishment of this Soldier baffles me. I've seen what is needed to complete the EFMB, and even with four years as a paramedic, there's no way I could have done what she did. You saw 50' worth of spaghetti-legs and missed the rest of the testing and evaluation. For an a person in Combat Arms, to see a medic with the EFMB means that you KNOW you are being treated by a professional.
And, please. No more comments about REMFS.
And, please. No more comments about REMFS.
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SGM Erik Marquez
She met the standards though personal accomplishment, EARNING the EFMB is where this "story" is and should be.
Earning the EFMB is no easy task, like that of the EIB, it required of the Soldier to be an Expert, mistakless in the pursuit of each task. Over the course of several days. That is no easy feat, and an accomplishment in itself.
For the few that want to focus on the 12 mile road march as a defining moment of success or failure is to simultaneously ignore the enormity of the accomplishment and belittle those who complete much harder conditioning road marches every month, quarter, several times a year.., or patrols in combat daily, who do so as a way of life and are required to be fit for combat at the end.
Earning the EFMB is no easy task, like that of the EIB, it required of the Soldier to be an Expert, mistakless in the pursuit of each task. Over the course of several days. That is no easy feat, and an accomplishment in itself.
For the few that want to focus on the 12 mile road march as a defining moment of success or failure is to simultaneously ignore the enormity of the accomplishment and belittle those who complete much harder conditioning road marches every month, quarter, several times a year.., or patrols in combat daily, who do so as a way of life and are required to be fit for combat at the end.
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"Cudd serves with Army Public Health Command at Fort Knox, Ky. The march was the last event required to earn the Army’s Expert Field Medical Badge"
MEDIC! HOOAH!
MEDIC! HOOAH!
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SSgt Joe V.
Well this has been fun...thanks for the quasi-shout out SFC (Join to see) - I think it was a compliment...
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I didn't mean to offend SSgt Joe V., it has nothing to do with the Air Force, I know a few TAC-P here at Campbell, served with some in Afghanistan, you guys are top notch, but the conventional Air Force isn't known for doing foot marches, they are known for being highly technical, which is fine. This guy upset me because it is doubtful he ever did much of this kind of thing yet he is being extremely critical.
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SSgt Joe V.
No offense taken at all...I just like when I see the career field mentioned SFC (Join to see)
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