Posted on Aug 16, 2021
What are your feelings as the Taliban reclaim Afghanistan after 20 years of US involvement?
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That is one heck of a question SSG. One that does touch the strings of those who physically trained and did missions with the Afghan National Army, National Police and Afghan Border Police.
I actually went over with a team of Advisers for the 201st Kandak, ABP along the Pak/Afghan border. The situation that happened could be blamed on our politicians and the Pakistan Government, who are suppose to be our allies/friends. As we reported on this back in 07' having the PakMil train, house and equip groups against the New Afghan government and its allies. We have caught PakMil in civilian clothes driving in Afghanistan with loads of weapons, ammo, grenades, RPGs. We even reported on a PakMil training site which was confirmed by some people.
So all the ground that the Tali took in such a quick fashion, mostly contributed without a shot being fired. We knew that the Afghan forces could not would not stand against anyone if we were there for them to "prove" themselves. That's the only time they actually showed initiative. Once it hit time for lunch that was it. They became lounge lizards. So it is of no surprise to a good deal of those who served/trained directly with them.
Also a huge blame goes to the Afghan government itself with Karzi. For fear of a coupe' they kept the three branches at odds with each other. With the main focus for everything going to the National Army, then the National Police and lastly for the scraps was the Border Police. Their whole government was corrupt. Could never track down or get a clear view of their pay. With the Pay officer taking his cut, then the Kandak Commanders down to Company Commanders. They would keep men on the books even though they upped and disappeared.
So with the news coming out of men not being paid for months, I understand how a lot of them just changed clothes and went home. Family is more important to them. Where were the US advisers that was suppose to be helping the new president in advising him with the Nations money? Looks like their President took off with a lot of it. The so called "political advisers" screwed the pooch here. They failed the US taxpayer, US forces and allies and worse they failed the Afghan People.
Upon hearing how our "experts" didn't see this coming? They all should be fired. They failed at their jobs and ignored decades worth of valuable intel of just how quickly the Afghan country would fall. it was all right there written in black n white and for what ever reason, whether they were too high on themselves, too smug, or just plain stupid passing up false analysis to make themselves look good, they seriously screwed that one up.
Upon the notice of President Trump saying that the US was going to start pulling it's troops out, the "geniuses" should've have had a plan in play to start the second round of screening of the Afghans that served the US and other allies. Since they were heavily screened before they could work for us and come onto any camp or FOB. So a second part to get them cleared should've been the last step before getting them on the planes. Another epic failure.
Now, with Bagram being the main hub of ALL that was Allied Forces, should never have been vacated. It was much more fortified than Kabul air field and could house those thousands of Afghans and American civilians with ease. They wouldn't have had the cluster they did at Kabul. But the "geniuses" in charge took a double whammy on that one.
Now we hit on the most heated topic. How in the name of Christmas baby Jesus did ALL those SENSITIVE ITEMS get left behind?? We all know that those sensitive items are individually signed for. It's a life or death situation for the individual to lose them. SO who was the authority that said specifically to leave them behind?? Plus to leave all those vehicles and helicopters serviceable? Those should've all been treated with a thermite grenade. Along with some much other equipment.
Now the Biden Admin is bargaining with the Tali like their a legit government?? It's only going to lead to an avalanche of other would be terror groups to be pushing for the same. They already done it with the Muslim Brotherhood. Everything that has happened and will continue to happen is ALL on Biden and his Administration. They can't use Trump as an escape goat, all his fault excuse. Own it and take responsibility for your actions. It's what is meant to be in the leadership position. Complete incompetence.
Was that too much?? I guess I could've made it short by saying, A complete and total command failure. I hate every action that was taken and so very embarrassed and ashamed of the President and his Cabinet.
I actually went over with a team of Advisers for the 201st Kandak, ABP along the Pak/Afghan border. The situation that happened could be blamed on our politicians and the Pakistan Government, who are suppose to be our allies/friends. As we reported on this back in 07' having the PakMil train, house and equip groups against the New Afghan government and its allies. We have caught PakMil in civilian clothes driving in Afghanistan with loads of weapons, ammo, grenades, RPGs. We even reported on a PakMil training site which was confirmed by some people.
So all the ground that the Tali took in such a quick fashion, mostly contributed without a shot being fired. We knew that the Afghan forces could not would not stand against anyone if we were there for them to "prove" themselves. That's the only time they actually showed initiative. Once it hit time for lunch that was it. They became lounge lizards. So it is of no surprise to a good deal of those who served/trained directly with them.
Also a huge blame goes to the Afghan government itself with Karzi. For fear of a coupe' they kept the three branches at odds with each other. With the main focus for everything going to the National Army, then the National Police and lastly for the scraps was the Border Police. Their whole government was corrupt. Could never track down or get a clear view of their pay. With the Pay officer taking his cut, then the Kandak Commanders down to Company Commanders. They would keep men on the books even though they upped and disappeared.
So with the news coming out of men not being paid for months, I understand how a lot of them just changed clothes and went home. Family is more important to them. Where were the US advisers that was suppose to be helping the new president in advising him with the Nations money? Looks like their President took off with a lot of it. The so called "political advisers" screwed the pooch here. They failed the US taxpayer, US forces and allies and worse they failed the Afghan People.
Upon hearing how our "experts" didn't see this coming? They all should be fired. They failed at their jobs and ignored decades worth of valuable intel of just how quickly the Afghan country would fall. it was all right there written in black n white and for what ever reason, whether they were too high on themselves, too smug, or just plain stupid passing up false analysis to make themselves look good, they seriously screwed that one up.
Upon the notice of President Trump saying that the US was going to start pulling it's troops out, the "geniuses" should've have had a plan in play to start the second round of screening of the Afghans that served the US and other allies. Since they were heavily screened before they could work for us and come onto any camp or FOB. So a second part to get them cleared should've been the last step before getting them on the planes. Another epic failure.
Now, with Bagram being the main hub of ALL that was Allied Forces, should never have been vacated. It was much more fortified than Kabul air field and could house those thousands of Afghans and American civilians with ease. They wouldn't have had the cluster they did at Kabul. But the "geniuses" in charge took a double whammy on that one.
Now we hit on the most heated topic. How in the name of Christmas baby Jesus did ALL those SENSITIVE ITEMS get left behind?? We all know that those sensitive items are individually signed for. It's a life or death situation for the individual to lose them. SO who was the authority that said specifically to leave them behind?? Plus to leave all those vehicles and helicopters serviceable? Those should've all been treated with a thermite grenade. Along with some much other equipment.
Now the Biden Admin is bargaining with the Tali like their a legit government?? It's only going to lead to an avalanche of other would be terror groups to be pushing for the same. They already done it with the Muslim Brotherhood. Everything that has happened and will continue to happen is ALL on Biden and his Administration. They can't use Trump as an escape goat, all his fault excuse. Own it and take responsibility for your actions. It's what is meant to be in the leadership position. Complete incompetence.
Was that too much?? I guess I could've made it short by saying, A complete and total command failure. I hate every action that was taken and so very embarrassed and ashamed of the President and his Cabinet.
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Sometimes the politics in the government makes your efforts meaningless. The only thing left meaningful is making sure your buddies come back home safe with you. Right now 200 American civilians were left behind.
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I am heartsick, frustrated, and feeling betrayed by this administration. No, it would probably never have been an easy withdrawal, but we don't leave our brothers, sisters, military dogs and allies behind. We don't secure a civilian airport when we have a military one that is bigger and better defended. We don't leave $85B in weaponry behind to fully arm our enemies. This should make every American mad and those responsible should be held accountable! Period.
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I'm glad we are finally bringing this to an end, but I do wish more careful thought and planning had been put into this withdrawl. I am really disappointed with how this has been handled and I'm praying we can still get everyone out who needs to.
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I feel for today's service memebers and have to think they feel the same as we Nam Veterans when the NVA moved into and overran Saigon in '75. Like in Nam, we've again deserted far too many of those who put their lives on the line by supporting us. Everyone thinks the Taliban are a bunch of stoneage heathens. While they are that, they also have many highty technical savvy members and since we've given them the names of those we'd LIKE to have safe passage, it's almost a guarantee that intel will be used to capture, torture and murder those who worked with us.
Bottom line - shameful that we didn't learn from our past - specifically from Vietnam.
Bottom line - shameful that we didn't learn from our past - specifically from Vietnam.
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LTC Stephen F.
Thank you my friend SSG Bill McCoy for responding and sharing your eloquent thoughts.
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I'm not sure who I'm more disappointed with - the president or the Joint Chiefs. giving up Bagram Air Base was a fool's blunder. Everything sits differently if we hold the base.
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CSM Bob Stanek
TSgt Timothy Frankel - Let's just say on my part that "disappointment' is a major understatement on this who fiasco. You summation sits well with me. God Bless those Men and Women of the Marines, Navy and Army who lost their lives to this event. May there be no more in the future.
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Extremely happy to finally see the mission in Afghanistan over. I earned my Bronze Star over there by sacrificing lots of suet and tears. I also received the Purple Heart for injuries received in combat. Knowing that is over, closes a chapter in my life, and brings me joy.
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There is never a diplomatic solution to a HOLY WAR!! Oh humanitarian aid, we set up a $700million on an Embassy. I pray every day for the families and military forces. It is obvious that the of the USA government has been mishandling and underestimating the threat. Hopefully they can successfully get everyone out safely
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I knew it was going to end this way. I just hope that everyone can see that the sacrifices we made over the last 20 years were not in vain. I understand if people disagree, though. Some of us look at the big picture and see it as incomplete while others of us look at our own individual piece of the picture and gauge success or failure from that.
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