Posted on Mar 5, 2016
What effect does making commandants list on a 1059 have for promotions in the senior ranks?
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Great question. I made the Commandant List at all 3 NCOES. If you look at previous promotion boards AARs it will state in most of them that individuals that exceeded the standards at NCOES courses were looked favorably, why? Let's make it simple, we have 1 position to fulfill and 2 packets remaining, yours and a peer. Both packets look alike, both 1/1 on NCOERS or best qualified if under the new system, both have the same schools and on and on. Here's where a "positive" discrimator which is the same as setting yourself apart from your peers comes into effect. If both packets are the same and both have APFT scores of 300, then look for something else that one packet has and the other don't. If you have a check mark on "exceeded course standards" on your 1059 and the other guy don't, then is like sorry you're both great NCOs but only one promotion. The answer is we will promote the one that had the one positive discriminator. That's why is so important NOT to take anything we do in the Army lightly and always try to exceed standards in everything we do. Apply the analogy to pro-football, if I have one player scoring 2 touchdowns per game and one scoring 1 or less during the pre-season, who will I select to be on the team and that's saying they are getting the ball thrown to the same number of times.
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It is a feather in your cap, as it distinguishes you from your peers by using a universally accepted standard, but it is not a panacea. Other elements of your packet are scrutinized more and weighted more by board members.
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1SG (Join to see) - your profile said army reserve, when did you join? and was there a difference between army reserve and active when making ranks?
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SPC (Join to see) - I got in in 1993.
The big difference between the components is AC has an appearance board and the USAR has a paper board. Also, the USAR does not have the concept of cutoff scores by MOS; you either make the points or you don't, then it becomes a matter of slots available.
The big difference between the components is AC has an appearance board and the USAR has a paper board. Also, the USAR does not have the concept of cutoff scores by MOS; you either make the points or you don't, then it becomes a matter of slots available.
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I can't answer that, never got one, made SFC at 9 years of services , many of my peers than got it make SFC at 12 or 13 years, I think performent in an NCOER weight more than a 1059 that is my opinion
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It is a good thing because you stand out among peers. However you may only see that bullet once in a records review. It does not carry as much weight as SAMC, Sergeant Morales, or other important leadership, team, training, bullets on your Evaluation that are continuous. Commandants list is an individual achievement. You promotion to the Sr ranks is dependent on your development of Jrs and value of you bring to entire Army. Your NCOER will ALWAYS be that catalyst.
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Any little edge you can get on your peers would help but at the end of the day it all depends on your branch and what they are looking for during the senior board. Good luck this year.
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It doesn't have one, mainly because it is so subjective. Commandant's list in WLC (now BLC) was 300 kids. In ALC my NCOA didn't have any because there were only two classes graduating (about 20 people) and my entire class save one person had a GPA of 100% (this is common in EOD classes). For SLC commandant's list was based on each individual class, and could only be the top 10%, which was two of us. So the title of "Commandant's list" doesn't give anyone a good idea of anything. But there can only be one Honor Grad. Every unit I've been in would put in an AAM or ARCOM for it.
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I know when I was an SGL there, we didn't do a commandants list, but the top 2 guys still got "exceeded course standards" on the 1059. From what I have heard, it's kinda like the other guys said, NCOERs are more important, but with all things equal, it is a positive mark that another guy might not have. Interesting that some of the units put guys in for an award. Did it get approved? I was told that they couldn't get one since they were already given some sort of recognition on the 1059.
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First, you should go there with the mentality that you are going to be Distinguished Graduate. If your going there just to get a 1059 and be done, your hurting yourself.
Second, besides going on your 1059, exceeded course standard, it also goes in your ERB as a code. This lets the board know you were DG, HG, or CL. It is posted in the center column of military schools.
Second, besides going on your 1059, exceeded course standard, it also goes in your ERB as a code. This lets the board know you were DG, HG, or CL. It is posted in the center column of military schools.
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Your NCOERs will have a greater impact but your performance at NCOES will be visible. Your next NCOER can and should have a bullet referring to your performance at NCOES. All of your 1059s are visible to boards throughout your career. By comparison typically only your last 5 NCOERs get reviewed. If you excel at NCOES it will be noted; especially for senior NCO positions were the competition is much closer between qualified candidates.
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When we board packets honor graduates from NCOES will be ranked higher. Potentially can have a effect. E-5 and above promotions are based on evaluations (NCOER & 1059s).
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One time makes a great feather in your cap. Consistently making the list is serious street cred.
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The Army put that column on your web/srb for a reason. Fill it to the best of your ability with DH, CL, and CD! The way NCOPDS is going lately (epitomizing critical thinkers), this matters just like these NCOs from my old unit and I at today's Infantry ALC @FortBenning!
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The effects of making the commandants list being on ones 1059 when his or her packet is reviewed could be that point(s) that puts that Soldier ahead of his or her peers. It varies from board to board and the board members. The board may not even consider it at all because the Soldiers DA photo was the best of the pack. But it's good to have because you never know what they will need or look at. The most important thing is a good, well comprised, COMPLETED PACKET PERIOD. (foot stomp X3)
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Commanders or Commandants, which program and at what level. Any additional item of significance in your records is a positive, the level of significance depends on the program and the timing.
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CSM have you ever been on the commandants list?, and being a CSM what do you review when you look at packets for promotions after you are a SSG trying move up the ranks? And were you in the regular Army?
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
Yes I was active duty my entire career! I was on the Commandants list in each program I attended. NCOERs first, letters second (greater than standard awards they are personalized and still admissible
) difficulty of assignments, fitness, training and education with the emphasis on training. There are deeper discriminators which would share private message if you are interested. Thank you for your service.
) difficulty of assignments, fitness, training and education with the emphasis on training. There are deeper discriminators which would share private message if you are interested. Thank you for your service.
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It does nothing but help you. For those NCOs that claim that it can be used as a bullet on your NCOER- please read AR623_3. This is under para 3-17: Comments
a. Comments will not exceed the space provided on evaluation reports. Additionally, comments must pertain
exclusively to the rating period of the evaluation report; comments related to nonrated periods will not be included
(that is, schooling, duties performed while suspended, and so forth). Awards and/or special recognition received during
the rating period may be cited in evaluation comments (for example, “received the Humanitarian Service Medal” or
“named the NCO of the Year”); however, comments related to scholastic achievements are limited to AERs.
Your 1059 is non rated time and is your AER. This did not change with the update.
a. Comments will not exceed the space provided on evaluation reports. Additionally, comments must pertain
exclusively to the rating period of the evaluation report; comments related to nonrated periods will not be included
(that is, schooling, duties performed while suspended, and so forth). Awards and/or special recognition received during
the rating period may be cited in evaluation comments (for example, “received the Humanitarian Service Medal” or
“named the NCO of the Year”); however, comments related to scholastic achievements are limited to AERs.
Your 1059 is non rated time and is your AER. This did not change with the update.
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Commandant's List, in and of itself, very little to no effect. Honor Graduate ("there can be only one") rates an excellence bullet and can push you ahead of your peers on the new NCOER. For the senior ranks, remember it's about how you exceed over time not just a brief moment in time.
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1SG Edward Tushar
I would disagree on some level although a steady record over time can't hurt but then again, can't see it helping. I think making Distinguished Honor Grad on top of completing my Associates degree were very instrumental in me making MSG in the secondary zone. They were the most current things sitting in each of the sections on my microfiche at board time.
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There is an ebb and flow as to what boards find most important from one decade to the next, especially depending on who the reigning CSM is. The fact that I was Distinguished Honor Grad at SLC had very little influence over my promotion to MSG. Consistently strong NCOERs, when the board looked at the most recent 3 to 5, weighed the heaviest in my favor when compared to my peers for the single E8 vacancy (especially given that 3 of the 4 had more TIG).
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1SG Edward Tushar - How long did it take for you take make 1sg compared to your peers 1SG since you made the commandants list?
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It can be the deciding factor between two equally qualified personnel for the same job.
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