What is the most appropriate way to address someone being given a false PT score, while minimizing the damage to their career?

Do any of these soldiers realize “Falsification of a Government Document” is a Federal Offense punishable via UCMJ and possible Federal indictments. As a veteran who was responsible for publishing Promotion Orders for Enlisted Personnel; there is documentation regarding the PT score. I strongly suggest the soldier in question come clean now before this turns into an avalanche. I suggest retaking the PT test and recalculate the promotion points using the new score. If the REAL score doesn’t meet the ‘cut-off scores, then no promotion. I would also recommend an Article 15 for ‘conduct unbecoming’. This seems to me to be the best way to resolve the issue with the least amount of damage to ANYONE’S career. This falsification WILL be discovered if this soldier plans to stay in the Army. Better to come clean now as an E-4, than being court marshaled at a higher rank.

Integrity in the APFT is as important as integrity in everything we as Army soldiers do as we live and uphold the seven Army values. As a chaplain, I have always felt it extremely important to be fit and score high on the APFT, because any lack of physical readiness endangers far more than myself (as a non-combatant), and as an officer in his early 50's, I also feel a great responsibility to exemplify physical readiness. I haven't scored below 270 in a long time--because I am committed to working hard at remaining fit. In fact, I am very much looking forward to the ACFT because it eliminates the age and gender allowances. "I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself." The thought that there is any soldier serving who had to falsify records (or was complicit in the act) to pass or score high on the APFT, especially to be promoted in the NCO Corps, goes against everything we stand for.

CPL Santos, the issue here is integrity. She has lost hers. Do not lose yours.
She would have to have known about the bogus score - she could have said something to the company first sergeant after the test, when she turned in her packet for promotion, at the annual review of her packet. There is nothing here to suggest her actions were self-serving and dishonest. Worse, her actions caused a more deserving soldier to miss out on a promotion they deserved. Do not follow her, keep your integrity and speak up.

I guess the real question is, how can you spend enough time in the military to gain NCO rank and still fail a PT test? I never understood how people could fail those things. Its not an Olympic tryout.

Not having to deal with PT tests (small ships usually do the PT test at the same time), I would give the person a fixed time to pass the test with AT LEAST that score she 'earned' before. I would counsel that service member that immediately after failing that test the second time I would walk them up the chain of command and charge them with PERJURY (lying on am official document(s)).

A diagnostic after PCS'ing to a new unit? Sounds like this Soldier didn't do PT while on leave.

Things must've greatly changed since I retired. When a diagnostic APFT was given, unless you stated you wanted it that you wanted it to be a RECORD APFT before you started then regardless of what you scored, it remained just that...a diagnostic and could NOT be used for points. So according to your initial statement her S1 file should've caught that when they audited her file for points and she never shouldve been promoted when the cutoff scores came out.

I mean... I personally went form a 297 to a fail in less than 6 months. It is very possible.

It’s a situation that has gone on for decades. I’ve seen pencil pushing SFC that had three chins that somehow passed the tape test every time.
Let’s not forget the pen hole expert marksman. At the paper (not pop up targets) weapons range.

I had a similar incident, while being the unit APFT nco, an 06 asked me to sign off a pt score, that I knew to be impossible so this sm could attend bnoc and get promoted, I refused explaining why, so the 06 signed it, then complained to the CO, long story short the nco failed Pt at bnoc and I got relieved and nothing happened to the sm or 06

note till given a for record PT test there is no flagging actions that should be taken, but I would look to see if there is a major change in the trend for prior PT tests given. 300 to below low passing is a sign of either a greater issues or a failure of the prior leadership to be honest with the solider and yourself.

I agree with The CW2. this person now that SHE KNOWS the PT score is pencil whipped need to have a little integrity and correct the issue

If you’re sure the previous test results were falsified - and the failure confirmed by the new test, why would you even ask this question? YOU have an obligation as an NCO to call attention to falsification of the official record. As far as your position is concerned, you want to minimize embarrassment and career damage. Why are you putting that on yourself? The people involved know what they did and know it was wrong. They brought consequences on themselves so you need not concern yourself with anything other than reporting the situation to
Since you apparently are sure, then the person in question must also know and is complicit in the falsification. The “feelings” of those involved are absolutely irrelevant. Again, Corporal, you’re an NCO. Do the right thing or surrender your stripes.

Many of us have seen this movie and some of us have starred in it. Keep it real! She got caught and will ultimately face the consequences of her action. We have all seen career ending events during our service. However, I have also have seen soldiers go down the toilet and rise from the ashes. Let's not make this thread seem like the end of the world for these soldiers involved. Tomorrow will come, and the monster we see on that day will be our only concern.

SFC A. Campbell (Retired)

She needs to get off her ass get into shape fast and pass her PT test. That or just take the damage and move on.

This should not happen from the get go!!! You knew this was not the right thing to do, it should have been stopped at the time back then. Now you're a part of setting this Soldier for failure!!!! The Unit training NCO also should have known that this Female Soldier did not previously had a 300 PT score. it has to be corrected, The Female Soldier has to come up straight along with you for knowing and not correcting the deficiency back then. Take appropriate remedial training and set up that Soldier for success!!! The new pt test coming up next year is not forgiving at all, get acquainted with it; its called the new army PT test, age and gender neutral. see; https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2018/07/09/a-new-army-pt-test-is-on-its-way-this-is-not-a-drill/.

Why did she not fix this if she knew it was wrong? If she had the chance to fix this and she knew it was false that shows a sincere lack of integrity on her part. She should suffer the consequences of her actions. Also, the NCO that falsified the results must suffer consequences for his actions too.

I’ve spent most of my life around and in the military, my father was a SgtMj in the army and many uncles cousins and brothers all have served throughout the branches. It all boils down to honor and integrity period! If she was falsely score a 300 and she knows weather she did or not, the scoring novo is Derelict in his duty as an NCO, and having obtained the rank of NCO, she is derelict for not having challenged that score. If you can’t admit a flaw in a minor level how can you be trusted on an issue at a greater level?!
The answer is you can’t. You jeopardize your honor and integrity as well as your truthfulness. Instead of worrying about her career she should get out in front of it by being honest, take the hit and do better in the future. The scoring NCO should stand before the man and take his or her lumps as well. Basically put, do what you know is the right thing even when no one is watching and you won’t have your ass in a crack. It is the backbone of morals ethics and scruples!

Remember NCO teach with the example if She or He get into a misión and something went wrong and life or jail time is in the table would you or other can Trust that soldier ... it is not matter of save your skin is matter of honesty and integrity those thing we as leaders Cannot allow to lose or forget.Talk to your supervisor and see what alternatives the chain of command find to fix that situation .drive on corporal...att sgt r rios retired.

If this person knows that she was given a false PT score and accepted it, it shows a major lack of integrity. I would not want for her, or anyone else to be in a leadership position. Both this soldier and the "rater" both need to be punished under the UCMJ, whether it be an Article 15 or a letter of reprimand or whatever. If you know that this situation, your lack of integrity needs to be addressed as well.
I was victimized by receiving a lower score than should have been received to prevent me from being deployed on a MEDRET due to being outspoken about the handling of sexual abuse of lower enlisted in my unit that the command knew about and covered up.
If you don't have the integrity to report that you KNOW is wrong in a minor situation, you will definitely not do so when it comes to a major situation.
I have had commanders and others that I had the privilege to serve with that I would die for to this day, with no questions asked. There are others that I would would have a difficult time following to the latrine, let alone in combat.

Non Commissioned Officer with integrity issues is useless. Gave up authority to lead.

Unless you actually witnessed the previous NCO giving a false score, you have nothing to say! If you are scoring her now, then you should offer to work with her to bring up her PT score. End of story.

I would think it would be dangerous to have an NCO who cannot be in as good physical condition as the troops he or she might command. If the soldier in question is really competent in other areas, I would offer to work with them, after hours, in order to get them in condition. In short, the soldier has to able to pass the test. The initiative has to be his or hers.

She should have spoken up as soon as she found out she got a false PT score.

Don't worry about her career. She has zero integrity and shouldn't be promoted in the first place.

AR 635-200, Chapter 13.
No integrity, get'm out.

In my book whether this soldier knew it or not, THERE IS NO EXCUSE; sounds like the rich parents who paid someone to get their kids into elite colleges and claim their kids were unaware of the fraud committed by their parents, that's total B.S. they must of have know, they knew they weren't that bright or participated on any of the sports mentioned to get in. This soldier and who ever falsified the document should be reprimanded and given an article 15 for this individual is unbecoming and NCO.
NCO Creed
No one is more professional than I. I am a noncommissioned officer, a leader of Soldiers. As a noncommissioned officer, I realize that I am a member of a time honored corps, which is known as "The Backbone of the Army". I am proud of the Corps of noncommissioned officers and will at all times conduct myself so as to bring credit upon the Corps, the military service and my country regardless of the situation in which I find myself. I will not use my grade or position to attain pleasure, profit, or personal safety.

Competence is my watchword. My two basic responsibilities will always be uppermost in my mind—accomplishment of my mission and the welfare of my Soldiers. I will strive to remain technically and tactically proficient. I am aware of my role as a noncommissioned officer. I will fulfill my responsibilities inherent in that role. All Soldiers are entitled to outstanding leadership; I will provide that leadership. I know my Soldiers and I will always place their needs above my own. I will communicate consistently with my Soldiers and never leave them uninformed. I will be fair and impartial when recommending both rewards and punishment.

Officers of my unit will have maximum time to accomplish their duties; they will not have to accomplish mine. I will earn their respect and confidence as well as that of my Soldiers. I will be loyal to those with whom I serve; seniors, peers, and subordinates alike. I will exercise initiative by taking appropriate action in the absence of orders. I will not compromise my integrity, nor my moral courage. I will not forget, nor will I allow my comrades to forget that we are professionals, noncommissioned officers, leaders!

There are two issues to be addressed . The person giving the score and the one getting it . Take them to the side and tell them up front . Tell them both Ethical conduct is a very important Character trait . Fix it quietly but fix it and walk away . Then trust them to do it but verify . And if they fail to . Then it becomes your ethical dilemma . Report it or not . But remember you gave them a chance to do the right thing . And they didn't . But if they do correct it They did the right thing and that's a leaning experience worth Giving them the benefit of a doubt for a momentary laps of judgement . And no more needs to be said or done . Nor should it be held against them . in any future dealings

You need to do the right thing, it is not on you, all those other NCO’s should have done the right thing in the first place, you need to speak up and up hold the core values of the US Army. Their lack of judgement and your becoming aware places your career in jeopardy. Just my 2 cents worth

It sounds like she’s using her feminine qualities to keep her career moving. My advice would be to get in on the action.