Posted on Feb 14, 2018
What part of our society is ultimately responsible for the shooting at Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL?
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Beyond my utter shock and dismay at this latest school shooting, I ask myself why? Who failed “us”. why?
Do we need a ‘police state’ to moniter and report eveyone with an personality abberation?
Do too many of our citizens choose to look the ‘other way”’ rather than accept the responsibilty of reporting “deranged members of society”?
At age 12, in 1945, I was cleared to ‘fire at will’ on the farm. I possessed a 22 caliber rifle and the 410 shotgun arrived soon after.
Positive action is needed, your thoughts?
Do we need a ‘police state’ to moniter and report eveyone with an personality abberation?
Do too many of our citizens choose to look the ‘other way”’ rather than accept the responsibilty of reporting “deranged members of society”?
At age 12, in 1945, I was cleared to ‘fire at will’ on the farm. I possessed a 22 caliber rifle and the 410 shotgun arrived soon after.
Positive action is needed, your thoughts?
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We are being conditioned for selective outrage. Yes, this is another tragic and unnecessary event that I wish didn't happen. However, why are we only outraged when someone commits one of these atrocities but not be equally outraged that Baltimore went a whole 12 days without a homicide? There’s something like one murder per minute in the U.S. We don’t need more gun laws making it harder to acquire legal guns. We need to focus on mental health and make more severe illegal gun infraction consequences. We focus too much on the anomalies and not on the common occurrences.
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Somewhere along the line we abandoned free thinking, and the idea that it takes a village to raise a child. Instead our schools are indoctrinating the potential minds of our future who could solve and alleviate the struggles in today’s society into thinking there’s only one way to do it, or this is the only way you must think on this issue or else you’ll be labeled. It is my belief that once in awhile a person who doesn’t conform to the “standards” of today, who cannot stand up to the challenges of their life, who does not experience great mentors in their community Snap. They fall below the radar because no one can see them sneaking behind you doing normal everyday tasks while your distracted with less important conversations. The battles of discourse have been drawn between privileged and under privileged. Between mental illness and gun control. Between colors of race, sexuality, and gender. But at the end of the day when a mass shooting happens only two above will get the most attention. Mental illness and gun control.
*My apologies for any typos. I tried to check for any. But this phone makes it difficult.
You see society won’t fix itself until the lines of discourse have been turned into a blur and merge. There are so many underlying issues in our country. The only comfort I find is within my Military and Veteran community because within it those lines are blurred. One of the only, maybe the only community you’ll find in the country who can work together more efficiently together. We take care of each other when care is needed. We raise each others kids and don’t bat an eye. We teach respect and manners. These still exist outside but are fading, as the talks of mental health and gun control rise.
*My apologies for any typos. I tried to check for any. But this phone makes it difficult.
You see society won’t fix itself until the lines of discourse have been turned into a blur and merge. There are so many underlying issues in our country. The only comfort I find is within my Military and Veteran community because within it those lines are blurred. One of the only, maybe the only community you’ll find in the country who can work together more efficiently together. We take care of each other when care is needed. We raise each others kids and don’t bat an eye. We teach respect and manners. These still exist outside but are fading, as the talks of mental health and gun control rise.
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Is it really a society issue or a individual issue?
Do we really need a Stalin Purge to fix these issues?
I hope not..
Here is video I found very informative, and thought provacative.....
https://youtu.be/QgdNPxcfFvE
MSG Bo
Do we really need a Stalin Purge to fix these issues?
I hope not..
Here is video I found very informative, and thought provacative.....
https://youtu.be/QgdNPxcfFvE
MSG Bo
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TSgt Larry Johnson
That was a great video. It re-affirms my previous comment about veterans watching out for others . Military do not run away from danger, they run to it. That is something no civilian can understand.
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TSgt Larry Johnson - Odd when I see so many civilians who sacrifice themselves in these shootings...with no military background.
You don't have to have military service to have selfless service. There are more in the miltary who would run from a fight than you think.
You don't have to have military service to have selfless service. There are more in the miltary who would run from a fight than you think.
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TSgt Larry Johnson
I never said a civilian would not run to danger, I simply stated that civilians do not understand the brotherhood of military people.
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I grew up in an era when a “Twilight Zone” movie gave me and my friends nightmares. We could play “Cowboys and Indians” interchangeably with no agenda or animosities, we drank out of hoses, rode bikes without helmets, shot our B.B. guns - all without injury “stigma” and a “litigious society”. I was in Elementary school in El Paso, TX, when we sang the National Anthem, sang Hymns in music class, held public (school) prayer, and Pledged Allegience every morning before classes. I remember at theatre houses, the entire audience would stand for the National Anthem before the show began. The National Anthem played each night at the end of a TV Program day. We brought our knives to School, played “mumblypeg” out in the schoolyard playground, which entailed throwing our knives into the ground between the feet of a playmate - all without incident or expulsion. I’ve seen kids bring rifles or other weapons to school for “show-and-tell” without incident. I never heard of a kid getting expelled until HS - when it was used more as a threat, than a reality. I could go on and on. My point is that my experience as a kid is only one generation removed from where we are today. This really alarms me, seeing the obvious direction our society has spiraled. I wonder what things will look like in one more generation.......
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A good question and one we must explore. But, at the same time, the question itself tends to shift blame away from the shooter.
New laws controlling guns? Why would we think the a person who just committed 17 first degree murders would somehow obey a new law?
If someone has an answer by all means come forward.
My answer is that we must return to respecting each other and refuse to allow the constant shift of blame away from the wrong doer.
New laws controlling guns? Why would we think the a person who just committed 17 first degree murders would somehow obey a new law?
If someone has an answer by all means come forward.
My answer is that we must return to respecting each other and refuse to allow the constant shift of blame away from the wrong doer.
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SSG Doug H
I think you hit a very good point on the respecting each other. One of the things that is fundamentally wrong in todays society tho, is losing the means and measures to respect ones self. If you have no basis for self respect, nothing to base that on, then how can uou possibly know how to respect another.
When I was in high school(a very long time ago), I was the outcast. I was the guy that today, turns into a shooter. I don't think there was a day I didn't have to defend myself in some way. The difference was, I didn't feel like a victim, because I was allowed to defend myself. Fighting was against the rules, but it was also understood that it was a necessary part of boys becoming men. I can remember being in a fistfight, looking up and seeing the coach standing off in the distance watching it play out instead of stepping in and stopping it and suspending us. We both got a whipping in the principals office, but only after being allowed to settle our differences. The weak today are not allowed to fight back, so it is no wonder they feel helpless and hopeless. The system designed to protect them turns them into victims and keeps them dependent on the system to "protect" them from a bloody nose.
I respected myself, I respected those I engaged in fistfights with, and I seldom had to fight anyone a second time, so it could be argued that even in losing a fight, I earned the respect of my adversary.
Just as when the coach stood back watching, there was always a ring of peers who ensured that the fight would be fair, and anyone who thought about picking up a rock or pulling a knife(only happened once) would be severely dealt with by the crowd, and give up all respect. Chances are, he would not even be reported by the opponent or the crowd. He would just learn never to do it again.
I think I got my but kicked by every guy in high school once. Nobody seemed to think it was enough fun to try it a second time.
For the record, I enlisted with a waiver, weighing 98 pounds. Breezed thru Basic, went to jump school, and eventually the SF Q-course.
When I was in high school(a very long time ago), I was the outcast. I was the guy that today, turns into a shooter. I don't think there was a day I didn't have to defend myself in some way. The difference was, I didn't feel like a victim, because I was allowed to defend myself. Fighting was against the rules, but it was also understood that it was a necessary part of boys becoming men. I can remember being in a fistfight, looking up and seeing the coach standing off in the distance watching it play out instead of stepping in and stopping it and suspending us. We both got a whipping in the principals office, but only after being allowed to settle our differences. The weak today are not allowed to fight back, so it is no wonder they feel helpless and hopeless. The system designed to protect them turns them into victims and keeps them dependent on the system to "protect" them from a bloody nose.
I respected myself, I respected those I engaged in fistfights with, and I seldom had to fight anyone a second time, so it could be argued that even in losing a fight, I earned the respect of my adversary.
Just as when the coach stood back watching, there was always a ring of peers who ensured that the fight would be fair, and anyone who thought about picking up a rock or pulling a knife(only happened once) would be severely dealt with by the crowd, and give up all respect. Chances are, he would not even be reported by the opponent or the crowd. He would just learn never to do it again.
I think I got my but kicked by every guy in high school once. Nobody seemed to think it was enough fun to try it a second time.
For the record, I enlisted with a waiver, weighing 98 pounds. Breezed thru Basic, went to jump school, and eventually the SF Q-course.
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Ultimately, I feel it is the parent’s responsibility to educate their children about guns. If you don’t want guns in your home, it’s still the parent who should at least familiarize their child with a gun. There are safety courses and gun ranges who can help parents if needed. It is not for one minute the fault of guns in society. Guns have done way more good than bad for world. Im tired of the uneducated naysayers who want to get rid of our guns.
As far as mental issues, it’s safe with the private medical laws. People snap for some of the craziest reasons, they may have never had any mental issues before a situation occurs. Things like this are happening more everyday. Bullying, notoriety, love, etc. This is what our world has come to.
As far as mental issues, it’s safe with the private medical laws. People snap for some of the craziest reasons, they may have never had any mental issues before a situation occurs. Things like this are happening more everyday. Bullying, notoriety, love, etc. This is what our world has come to.
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Charlie Leopold; a former co-worker told of hitching a ride on the back of a street car in Chicago - in the 1930s. Cops wold grab the miscreants, kick them in the ass or cuff them about their head and say, ‘get out of here’.
Today’s policemen cannot touch a kid.
How many ‘personal rights’ are citizens equipped to accept responsibility for?
Today’s policemen cannot touch a kid.
How many ‘personal rights’ are citizens equipped to accept responsibility for?
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They also had stricter gun control in the 1930s to combat the mob...
Funny because police do use disproportionate force when apprehending people, including kids.
Funny because police do use disproportionate force when apprehending people, including kids.
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SSG Edward Tilton
SFC (Join to see) - Thompsons, BARs and other automatic weapons were not prohibited until 1937. Once we inventoried our range when the old rangemaster died. They found 10 Brand new Thompsons that had never been opened. The other two, of the dozen had been used.
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Firearms are not the issue. We have failed out society by allowing media to tell us how to think instead of giving us the news. By allowing schools to not teach children but tell them what to think. By supporting liberals who have forgotten what makes us great. By not doing what is right for our country.
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A lack of being held responsible for their actions is the biggest contributor to these events. The shooters are the victims of bullying and feel the only way to get respect is to fight back. The bully’s on the other hand say what we did is OK. And, we as a society don’t hold them accountable
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