Posted on Mar 31, 2016
Lt Col Jim Coe
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Navy's top enlisted leader is wrapping up job title review. Intent is to remove "man" from job titles, such as corpsman, to make them gender neutral. All Air Force members are referred to as "airmen" and three enlisted ranks include "man" in their title. What would you suggest as an alternative to "airman"? (You can have fun with this, but serious alternatives also are appreciated.)
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CPT Steve Wolszczak
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what gender neutral term are we gonna use in place of "Mission" since it has the word "miss" in it???
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SGT Team Leader
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Hell no...Sir.
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CPT Quentin von Éfáns-Taráfdar
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Let me think about that for the next 100 years then maybe I 'll come up with someTHING
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PO1 John Johnson
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Captains; always got to be stirring the pot!
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Cpl Dave Null
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My gender-neutral alternative would be to get rid of Ash Carter. That would benefit servicemembers of both genders.
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Lt Col Owner/Founder
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Here's what I've always thought of when hearing the term "Airman" - this quote from No Time For Sergeants (1958):

Ben: You know what they call men in the Air Force?
Air man! Like somethin' out of a dang funny book! Air man! How you gonna like it when somebody calls you "Air man"?
Will: By dog, I just don't think I'll stand for it.

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I can't think of much more calculated to create division than making a big deal of of "gender neutrality".
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CPT Quentin von Éfáns-Taráfdar
CPT Quentin von Éfáns-Taráfdar
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“A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both,” – Milton Friedman.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
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Good thing I'm not president. I'd fire ediots that wasted money to look at changing ranks and titles to make gender neutral. What a stupid waste of money and time. I understand changes made when women started serving on ships. Cant say I like all of the changes but I do understand. The Shellback ceremony was rough if you was a guy. I cant imagine how bad it would be for a woman with sailors that carried things too far. We wore our uniform inside out and backwards and what you didn't eat for breakfast you wore down your shirt and I could see that as a problem for women.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
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Capt Seid Waddell MSgt Stephanie McCalister Oh Trust me. The Royal Baby's Belly was some of the milder things. Those cut off fire hoses hurt, Flight deck on knees hurt for days. The garbage shut and coffin really tested your ability to keep a nasty green eggs breakfast down. Fun part was SN to Admiral ALL got the same treatment. That was one tradition blind to rank. All but gone now. Its been watered down to the point one feels whats the big deal anymore. Making shellback in 1978 was rough on the knees and butt.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
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oh and us Ole Salt Sailors wear our ships with pride...LOL
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Capt Seid Waddell
Capt Seid Waddell
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PO2 Mark Saffell, kind of like "beat me, beat me, but tie me up first?
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Sgt Den OBrien
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PO2 Mark Saffell - ooooogah, sailor. lol
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A1C Joe Edwards
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Why does the military feel they need to cater to these liberal, politically correct, morons. This is the military, when you sign up, you are not your own property, you belong to uncle Sam. You knew the names and ranks of the branch of service you signed up for, so accept it, you know that liberal thing called acceptance? The Liberal thinking has caused so much damage to our society by their appeasement thinking which they are finding out through other studies how they are weakening the genders. There are women who will fight along side men, and in a situation, why confuse fellow soldiers with a too long hyphenated politically correct label to get their fellow soldier's attention? This is another attempt at the globalist theory to make everyone equal, it won't work, and our fighting ability will suffer
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LCpl Jim Pleace
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Exactly. That gender neutral bullshit has no place in our military
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TSgt Gwen Walcott
TSgt Gwen Walcott
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LCpl Jim Pleace - Everything is already gender neutral (except for "No sir" and "yes Ma'am")
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SFC Michael Barnett
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I am getting tired of all this Gender, Sexuality Stuff. The problem is that those that believe in these things have to push it on us. I really liked the Don't Ask, Don't Tell Policy. It does not bother me as long as I am unaware of it. Why do they have to make me agree with them. We need to delete this post and get rid of the issue all together. Go back to the way it was. That is a private issue between the person and his or her partner. I don't tell you about my sex life with my wife! Why should I have to hear that you are doing something different!
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SSgt Logistics Plans
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I agree 100%, this is an annoying reminder of things I don't wish to be reminded of.
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CPO David Sharp
CPO David Sharp
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I think all this nonsense will soon be a thing of the past. With what our new Commander In Chief has on deck as far as personnel to lead in many aspects, this PC Crap will be out the window. For myself, I am tired of a war fighting compliment being used as a social experiment. One thing, have the Russians invaded Turkey air space since they had an aircraft shot down? Once we put the teeth back into the dog, much of this B.S. will cease. China? Two words, Bring and IT....
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TSgt James Carson
TSgt James Carson
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I'd truely love to tell all the politically correct people to get a like, PLEASE.
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MSgt John McGowan
MSgt John McGowan
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TSgt Carson. Why, I don't get it.
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SSgt Jim Gilmore
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Political correctness run amok.....
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MSgt Christopher Schoen
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Bring back Buck Sergeant and Warrant Officer instead of dicking around with the PC Airmen shit.
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A1C Joe Edwards
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This PC crap has gone way too far, time to just nip it, and get back to being a military. Are we going to fight the enemy or each other?
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PO1 Glenn Roesener
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I know, how about we just drop the term "woman", "lady", or "female" from our vocabulary, and just call everyone "Man".

Wait, no good? Why? Is it because we aren't recognizing women anymore? Or maybe it's because in our push to boost the downtrodden we're simply switching sides, changing the names of what we all know to be true, and changing whom we choose to put down and marginalize. The subtle mentality that "men are tough, and can take the malignment of being emasculated better than women" has snuck in here. It is every bit as sexist and more-so than the gender-descriptive "Airman" or "Seaman". We are not improving the culture, society, or species by this faddish mockery of "sensitivity".

Men are men, women are women. No one misunderstands that when you say "Airman" (or, in my experience, "Seaman"), you can be referring to either gender. Nobody misunderstands this. The military must communicate, and it must do so in as efficient a way as possible. to change everything we say to a new modality just to accommodate a sensitive minority adds confusion and is a distraction to the business of defending our country. it is the antithesis of efficiency. It has nothing to do with military strength, fitness, or readiness, and is therefore a side-issue to keep unnecessary senior personnel busy.

If this is what our leaders are thinking about in their pretty offices, I have no faith that they still remember how to provide tactically superior leadership in battle. They've become accustomed to a life of comparative ease and will fail us when someone punches us in the mouth.
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