What would you do if your CSM was ignoring uniform and grooming standards? (CSM Flournoy)

SGM Tim Watkins, it looks like her TSG CSM spent a good part of the day talking with her, lots of photo ops showing she fixed her hair and make up. Public Affairs says 8 TSG considers the case closed. No further investigations pending on this CSM. From comments posted, this is now at least the third time since 2001 she has been let off the hook. I thought this should be like baseball, three strikes and you are out.

Joel, unfortunately I have seen many senior NCO's even at her rank act like this. It's very sad, but a fact. I will say this, once the good CSM retires and moves out into the" real world" of the private sector it will be a rude awakening. Future employers can fire you for these actions its called "insubordination" or many employers have a clause in their offer letters that says "at will employment". Basically, they can fire you w/no notice and/or explanation. Yup, tough world out there and if you can't conform or be a productive team player your future after "Big Army" will be very bleak.

MAJ Ray B, you are very right, she is a black eye on her BDE, BDE CDR, her higher HQ, and the NCO Corps.

Directly from the 8th MP BDE FB.

We are aware of your concerns about the 8th Military Police Brigade leadership. Social Media is not the appropriate venue to voice concerns. There are reporting mechanisms within the brigade and above the brigade for such concerns. This page is meant to share accomplishments and operations of the Soldiers with family members and the public. As comments have been
overwhelmingly disrespectful, degrading and unprofessional we will block and delete anyone in violation of the DoD social media policy that can be found in the about section of this page under general information.

You nailed it

1SG Kenton Allen - I'm sure it did... now they look as bad as she does.

SFC (Join to see) - Funny... at least I had stories to tell...lol
I'm doing fine.. being lazy and fat trying to enjoy retirement.

Yes!! Thank you!! I expressed the same concern on a different thread regarding the same topic and was told by a SgtMaj (Marine) that my opinion didn't count because I didn't have rank enough to be knowledgeable on the subject of standards in regards to a CSM....
However, my concern also lies with the Soldiers who feel it appropriate to create derogatory memes and make disgusting comments about this Brigade CSM.
That is a serious problem we have as a society (not just military). People are quick to tear each other down and pull each other apart behind the "anonymity" of a keyboard, but then we want to be concerned about depression and veteran's suicide in the very next breath.
This CSM was wrong and I in no way defend her actions; However I think what is much more detrimental and should be the larger part of the discussion are the actions that were allowed to occur after the fact, which, if continued, could be much more harmful to each other than a 670-1 violation.

Dunk him in a clean Latrine. These assholes: I swear.

My exact feeling s counsel, corrections of deficiency, as well as relief from CMD. I think the later should have been done immediately. She can No longer be effective in the MPU.

I agree

I'm all for holding people accountable but to propose firing a Brigade Commander for failures down among the Senior NCOs is patently ridiculous - although, OK, the US Armed Forces seem to like to do that, especially in public. Identify the chain of command and the appropriate point at which the responsibility lies, and deal with it at that level. Or, of course, fire every single person in the chain of command from CSM to Bde Cdr...(?)

The CSM works for and answers directly to the Brigade Commander. Thus, it's incumbent on the commander to take action. Failure to take action in this instance is a failure of leadership. Each person is privileged to have his or her own opinion. My opinion is it's the commander's responsibility to resolve the CSM problem immediately. There is NO room for poor leadership at this level, and the time for fixing this NCO was years ago. Now, she simply needs to go!! Don't attack me, attack the problem. If you're unwilling to do that, then you're part of the problem.

You are right on, Brother. The problem is the Commander's failure to set a tone of what is acceptable and what is not. I venture to say this unit has other significant leadership lapses as well. Many young soldiers are being poorly lead in this outfit.

My guess is most of her promotion points were earned via civillian education. They call it professional development BUT to me college credits does not equal military proficiency! I think this is an example of such!

CPL Wilfred Roberge - Exactly! Book smart does not necessarily mean military and combat ready smart! As a CSM you have to know how to take care of your troops and lead by example! I have known civilians who cheated their way through a four-year college, so to say that this is reason to be promoted is absurd. Back in the middle ages when I was in the military, LOL, you're bearing and your adherence to Army regulations was front and center when you went in front of a board! And your ability in the field was even more so. A combat veteran knows that you have to be able to cover your buddies six no matter what!

I was told by a Few That I was always great for combat but sucked at garrison.

Is there any updates on this POS CSM?

Looks like there is some kind of update. http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/05/06/brigades-top-enlisted-soldier-regrets-uproar-being-out-of-regs.html?ESRC=dod_160506.nl
FORT SHAFTER, Hawaii -- A command sergeant major whose out-of-regulation hairstyles, makeup and clothing sparked a firestorm of social media criticism is receiving counseling and has expressed "regret" for the distraction she has caused.
Photos of Command Sgt. Maj. Angelia Flournoy, who is with the 8th Military Police Brigade at Schofield Barracks, were posted to the Facebook page of the group US Army Military Police WTF Moments. Hundreds of comments were subsequently posted to the 8th MPB Facebook page, some of which have been deleted.
Photos show Flournoy's hair hanging over her collar, while others show her wearing high heels while in uniform.
Some online commenters, who claim first-hand experience with Flournoy, describe her as imperious, long ignoring so-called "spot corrections" made by fellow soldiers pointing out her out-of-regulation attire. Others related disparaging anecdotes and second-hand gossip, and commenters turned their ire on MPB command after Facebook posts were deleted and photos removed.
Late Wednesday, Flournoy posted a statement on the 8th MPB's Facebook page, saying: "I appreciate those who have corrected me and expressed their concern about my appearance not being fully in compliance with" regulations.
"You are right to insist standards be set and met by all soldiers," she wrote. "I sincerely regret how this has distracted from the great things the 8th Military Police soldiers are doing around the world."
The 8th MPB is responsible for military policing in the Pacific region.
Maj. Leslie Waddle, a spokesperson for the 8th Theater Sustainment Command, said the entire affair had made Flournoy "very humble."
"Her hair was definitely out of regulation in some pictures," Waddle said. "There are shoes that are not definitely out of regulation, but definitely questionable.
"The command is definitely aware," she said. "The command has brought her in for counseling." She said the command at 8th TSC, which has oversight of the military police brigade, considers the matter resolved.
Waddle said TSC Command Sgt. Maj. Gregory Binford met with Flournoy "immediately" after command became aware of the photos, many of which commenters have altered into memes, and has been counseling her.
"It's definitely gotten misconstrued on the internet, for sure," Waddle said. "He's definitely been mentoring her, and she's been very humble about it."
In a statement posted on the 8th TSC Facebook page Wednesday, Binford wrote that "a humble leader can selflessly accept criticism" and that when "that epiphany comes, and the decision to change is made, it is a moment worthy of respect."
"I believe CSM Flournoy has had that epiphany after our discussions about the important role we play as senior NCOs," he wrote. "This is a moment of extreme humility, but only from that moment can a leader truly improve. I would encourage all leaders across the TSC, enlisted and officer alike, to look at themselves, be receptive to criticism, and be willing to change."

So the way this reads to most I'm sure is we aren't doing anything. Apparently CSM Flournoy is just now understanding some leadership principals most people learn in boot camp. Go ahead and let it slide, so the rest of the organization now knows where you stand. Weakness breeds weakness.

SFC Rollie Hubbard - Basically bullshit iw what I get from the article .. Its please shut up about this and let us forget the incidents...