Posted on Dec 13, 2015
SFC John Birks
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I still remember those days doing rifle qualification. Kids these days are spoiled with the ACOGs and CCOs. Being a former Soldier who has done both in my career. The optics make it much easier. Who else can remember those iron sight days?
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SGT Robert Deem
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Optics weren't even a thing when I was in (unless you were a sniper). I just can't even wrap my head around qualifying with anything other than iron.
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SGT James Allen
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Qualified M16A1's with iron sites. After I got out of the Army, tried using a scope on my Mini-14. Hated it. Went back to my iron sites.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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Have you tried modern optics? They are nothing like a normal scope.
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SGT Jerrold Pesz
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I like iron sights. For some reason I just never was that excited about any version of optics.
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Sgt Jay Jones
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YES, I remember it! Fired Rifle Expert with an M-14 iron sights starting at 200, 300 and finally 500 yards. U.S.M.C. rifle qualifications.
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Sgt Brian Benway
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Oh yea, still shot expert.
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SGT William Howell
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Edited 10 y ago
Back in the day iron sights were the only way to go. Now that I can't even see the front sight, I have no clue how the old guys even did it. I now understand why we have burst fire on our weapons. Point in the general direction and spray.
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SGM Mikel Dawson
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Have always liked iron sights. Entire military career iron sights, always fired expert. Got my Dad's 30-06 Enfield, peep sights. Done just fine with it as well. I made a fantastic shot with it one time, amazed a client as he couldn't believe a shot like I made could be done with iron sights.
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Capt Seid Waddell
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That is the way I did it - though not drunk.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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SFC John Birks In Basic Training in 1953, all of our M-1 Garand rifles; gas operated, clip fed, semi-automatic, shoulder-fired weapons, weighing 9 1/2 lbs, w/ 8 round clips had iron sights!

We did learn about Night Vision sights mounted on iron sighted, M-1 Carbines at a night firing range. The target image was very greenish in coloration, like a bad dream!
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SSG Richard Hackwith
SSG Richard Hackwith
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025 - Last time I was at CSLO was around '84 just a few of pre-WWII buildings left in that area. I have covered just about all the remaining ground there. Do you go this far back?
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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Camp San Luis Obispo, Basic training in 1953, we lived in 5 man 'huts'. Our mess halls, theatre, PX and company Hq bldgs were of WW II era. SFC John Birks SSG Richard Hackwith GySgt John Olson
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SSG Richard Hackwith
SSG Richard Hackwith
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025 - This kind of "Hut"? This was in '75 my first stay at CSLO. They are all gone now.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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SSG Richard Hackwith That's one! We waxed the red linoleum floors and cleaned footprints w/handkerchiefs if we had to enter during the day. Ft Irwin also had a few 'huts' back then. Those windows assist w/'Ranger' push-ups!
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LTC Stephen F.
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Edited 10 y ago
I too remember doing rifle drills on KD ranges with iron sights - windage and elevation were discussed with the M-14 rifle and the M-16 rifle SFC John Birks
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SFC Terry Fortune
SFC Terry Fortune
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I do. Still shoot using iron sights.
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Capt Seid Waddell
Capt Seid Waddell
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LTC Stephen F., I loved the M-14.
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