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Stopping immigration, doesn't complete the picture for preventing terrorism. These perpetrators of terror were/are citizens of European countries, where they struck fellow citizens.
Medhi Nemmouche, was Belguim, Salah Abdeslam, is Belgium, Amedy Coulibaly, is French, Cherif and Said Kouachi (brothers) are French, Ismael Omar Mostefai is French,Khalid and Ibrahim el-Bakraoui (brothers) were Belgium
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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We're attempting to use "imprecise" terms to deal with a complex problem.

It's like talking about the "Immigration Problem" in the US.

Let me pontificate for a moment. I am 100% pro-Immigration. Immigrants leave places that are bad, and go to places that are better. Pretty simple concept. Love it. Love Immigrants! I love Immigrants because they want something better for themselves and their families. It takes A LOT to give up EVERYTHING and jump into the complete unknown. These are the people who assimilate and become Americans. They pay their taxes and become productive members of society.

That said, I'm ANTI-"undocumented-worker." They are the drain on our resources. They don't pay taxes. They don't get insurance. They're just "in the way people."

Now... Stopping "Immigration" is too wide a net (imprecise term). What is really suggested is stopping a Mass Migration or Refugee Shift. We need Immigrants who are Risking things. The "select few" (think of it like those select few who "raise their right hand"). We don't want every Tom, Dick, and Harry. That's how you end up with bad apples.

If we set the bar high (What do you bring to the table?), a lot of this would self-correct.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
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No as they are amongst us now.
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SGT James Hastings
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Unfortunately, I don't think that will stop local people already in the US from terror attacks. Especially, if they pay attention to the debates among our candidates!
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PO2 David Allender
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It is a well known fact of life for anybody in the service, or who has served, that the only way top stop an enemy is to meet him face to face. I don't like war. I hate killing, but face it people, the world has to get down and fight ISIS and others organizations like them. As a General Patton in WW2 said, "Don't you die for your country, let the other poor bastard die for theirs." It is the only way to stop them. Air power helps, but it isn't going to stop them. The United Nations needs to get off their back side and send in the troops and end this hate once and for all.
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SPC David S.
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We are indeed engaged in a war on terrorism, it is a war not against tank divisions or infrastructure, but against a mindset or ideology. Our enemy’s center of gravity lies in the thirst of millions of young people, especially those in particular regions of the world, for self-actualization, identity, and self-worth in a world filled with daunting (and Western-tainted) free choice and options. The origins of this threat are psychological, very much as existentialists would understand them, rather than (primarily) political or material. Not to say there aren't external political forces at work but more so the root cause of this violence is a result of radicalized individuals searching for their purpose. It's rather easy to sway an individual who is so desperately seeking self-worth to latch on to extremist ideologies. This is a border-less war rooted in psychology not some Middle East sovereignty. As well our defense in combating the ideology is self for filling and reinforces or justifies the use of violence. This type of problem is not so easily diminished, think in IRA terms 1969–2005 with a cease fire being declared in 1997. This current divergence is along those lines but much worse as the scope and size of this ideological war is immense in comparison.

More generally, Muslims mostly say that suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians in the name of Islam are rarely or never justified, including 92% in Indonesia and 91% in Iraq. In the United States, a 2011 survey found that 86% of Muslims say that such tactics are rarely or never justified. An additional 7% say suicide bombings are sometimes justified and 1% say they are often justified in these circumstances. While I know not all 1.6 billion fit the demographic of a the typical terrorists we are still talking about stopping the proliferation of such ideologies from a large population - not to mention Islam is as a religion is growing faster than the population. This is not going to be as easy as defeating ISIS - as its the ideology that needs to be defeated.
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CPT Jack Durish
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Once upon a time, I heard something about "shutting the barn door after the horses had already escaped." This seems similar but opposite. Will it do any good to shut the barn door after the horses have already infiltrated? We may not be at war, but someone sure as hell is at war with us, and they've infiltrated the lines (borders). More in some places than others. And they're recruiting.

Interestingly, when I researched Castro's revolution in Cuba to write my book, I was surprised to learn that he left Mexico with some 82 armed men to serve as cadre to train and organize recruits on the island. He was attacked when he landed and only about a dozen survived. Still, that was enough to recruit and train an army that overthrew the dictator Batista and his American equipped and trained army of 40,000. It doesn't take many, does it?

No, we don't want to stop "immigration", lawful immigration of people who want to become Americans. What we want to stop is infiltration of terrorists who want to destroy or subjugate Americans. Meanwhile, we have a pile of them already here to deal with and stopping any further infiltration won't help with that.
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SPC James Dollins
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The simple answer.... NO! Their have been "Radical" believers since the beginning of civilization. Unfortunately they aren't just Muslims. Some of them are natural born U.S. citizens; ie: McVey, Koresh, Manson, Hassan.
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SSgt Jim Gilmore
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No but it will give us an opportunity to develop a system to better vet those seeking entry into the US. Unless and until such a program can be developed, all visas from mooslim countries should be halted.
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SSG Warren Swan
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America has a stereotype of what a Muslim looks like, dresses like, eats, drinks, and how they pray. Mass media perpetrates this belief and takes it to the next level. I laugh at the ignorance shown on mass media by those who have really NO CLUE, but have "ALL" the clues, through degree's, having that one Islamic friend, the SM's who's deployed to either theater and heard the call to prayer, or the "Man love Thursdays jokes", lost a buddy to Islam, NOT to a another man who actually killed them. And these are also considered "experts" in Islam. I even look at some of the replies on here, and usually the comments fall into what I've described above, NOT from actually learning the teachings of Muhammad from an Imam, talking with someone of the faith (not in a condescending tone or one of bigotry), or even wanting to understand the five W's and How of Islam.
When it comes to immigration stopping anything, what do we think is going to happen? No more terrorism? Put more police into "Muslim" neighborhoods. Did you do that when the Mob was stronger and they're Catholic? They've killed WAY more over the long haul than any terrorist. How did it work for you? When we single out one group, even if they're not doing anything wrong, we legitimize the stereotype held against that group. For every ONE person who's killed in the "name" of Allah, we've had two kill in the name of God, or Jesus. We keep talking about SB and those two. What about the abortion killing, or since it was done by a white man and we can't keep a white man out, and he's alive, he gets a pass? Plus PP was a hot topic on the news with folks wanting to take funding away from them anyhow, so what's a few dead "babykillers". Stopping terrorism will not come through closing the borders. Stopping terrorism will not stop because we put more cops into "Muslim" neighborhoods. It's called profiling, and is ILLEGEAL in the US. NYPD had a BIG problem with that while Giuliani was in office. Want to "stop" terrorism? Get over the fact of race and religion being the reasons. Understand the undertones that make it happen. Stop with "domestic" terrorism vs. Terrorism. The SB incident was labeled as terrorism, but they were both here legally, had jobs and paid taxes, so why wasn't it "domestic terrorism"....skin color and religion. Stop with the keyboard warrior shit where "we're gonna get a bunch of folks together and throw eggs at a Mosque and when they come out to confront us, we'll shoot them, cuz this is "Merica, and we're Christians in 'Murica". That was the intent of some keyboard warriors in AZ. They even asked for members to bring weapons to "protect themselves" in a "peaceful demonstration". Yes I know I spelled it two different ways. Stop with "If the moderates would tell the hardliners to stop, then it would". Bullshit. When Dylan Roof killed those folks in the church, did you hear any pastors of ANY skin color mentioning not to kill BEFORE? It's NOT like he was the first one to kill, or to kill in a religious tone. Waco had that happen before. So if silence is compliance, then every Pastor, Rabbi, Preacher, Reverend, should be on TV spreading the word "thou shalt not kill" to their flock. When the day comes we REALLY want to understand the other, and their views, NOT use the herd mentality to think for us, we "might" get somewhere. Until then....anyone got some 5.56 hollows and tracer I can borrow? Don't want no "Muslim" knocking on my door.......(SARCASM BTW). Malcolm X hit the nail on the head when he did the pilgrimage. He was told the white man this, the white man that. When he went on the pilgrimage, he saw what we REFUSE to acknowledge. Islam isn't a person, race, or any other stereotype, it's a belief held by many DIFFERENT people of many different races. He accepted it, came home a changed man and would soon be dead.
http://islam.uga.edu/malcomx.html
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TSgt Kenneth Ellis
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So for every one killed for Allah two are killed in the name of God. Socialism has killed more people. And the Crusades were not about God but conquering the Muslim invaders.
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SSG Warren Swan
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TSgt Kenneth Ellis - I never mentioned the Crusades, but can you cite where the Muslims were the invaders? From what I've read so far, they were already there, and a Pope made a plea for an Army to go take the Holy Land. Also back then the Pope was seen as one step below God, so his will could've been seen as the "will" of God himself. Socialism hasn't killed anybody anymore than Democracy has. It's men who hide behind a "label" or religion who kill, NOT the label or religion. For some reason I've never seen God strike down anyone have you? Never seen Allah, Buddah, or Jaj, kill anyone. I bet we could name plenty of men who've done it "in their names" though.
My reference for this is:
http://www.history.com/topics/crusades
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While we are now killing the Muslim grandfathers, grandmothers, fathers, mothers, aunts and uncles who are the "infantry" of ISIS and all the other terrorist organizations, leaving tens of thousands of others like them to commit the suicide bombings, there are untold numbers of "Faith-based" groups, UN groups, and major American charities going back into their bomb-ravaged villages and caves and feeding and educating their orphaned children, in an attempt to break the cycle of violence. After a couple thousand years of such unfathomable bloodshed, all these groups are succeeding in doing is raising the next generation of killers. The goodwill and good intentions of these groups is only ensuring that the War on Terror will never end. No one can kill an idea, especially one that is fundamentally intertwined with fanatical religious beliefs.
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CPT Quentin von Éfáns-Taráfdar
CPT Quentin von Éfáns-Taráfdar
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3“The banning, burning, shooting or incarceration of “ideas” has never succeeded in defeating those ideas – only superior ideas can defeat lesser ideas.” - Count von Vlorë,
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