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Posted on May 4, 2015
Woman to become NY firefighter despite failing crucial fitness test! What are your thoughts?
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What do you think of the lowered standards for this one women, but not all fire fighters, and not all women?
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The FDNY for the first time in its history will allow someone who failed its crucial physical fitness test to join the Bravest.
Rebecca Wax, 33, is set to graduate Tuesday from the Fire Academy without passing the Functional Skills Training test, a grueling obstacle course of job-related tasks performed in full gear with a limited air supply, an insider has revealed.
“They’re going to allow the first person to graduate without passing because this administration has lowered the standard,” said the insider, who is familiar with the training.
Upon graduation, Wax would be assigned to a firehouse and tasked with the full duties of a firefighter.
Some FDNY members are angry.
“We’re being asked to go into a fire with someone who isn’t 100 percent qualified,” the source said. “Our job is a team effort. If there’s a weak link in the chain, either civilians or our members can die.”
Wax’s graduation comes as the city celebrates the FDNY’s 150th anniversary and as the department is under pressure by the de Blasio administration to hire more women.
Only 44 of the FDNY’s 10,500 firefighters are female.
While Wax fell short, two other female probies in the graduating class passed the FST with flying colors.
“They’re kicking butt. They’re doing better than 50 percent of the class,” the insider said. “When they get assigned to a firehouse, they’ll be welcomed with open arms because they’ve done what everyone else has gone through.”
Other female firefighters aren’t pleased about Wax’s treatment, either.
“A lot of the girls in the field are pissed because they feel like they’re getting lumped into the same category of a female getting special treatment and not meeting the same standards as the males,” the insider added. “It devalues what the women in the field have accomplished.”
“We’re being asked to go into a fire with someone who isn’t 100 percent qualified. Our job is a team effort. If there’s a weak link in the chain, either civilians or our members can die.”
In the FST exam, probies must breathe through a mask attached to an air tank while carrying up to 50 pounds of gear.
They must climb six flights of stairs, stretch hose lines, raise ladders, perform tasks that simulate breaking doors and pulling down ceilings, and drag dummies through tunnels with no visibility.
They must complete the course in 17 minutes, 50 seconds or less.
Despite many attempts over the Fire Academy’s 18-week training course, Wax completed the test just once — but it took her more than 22 minutes, the source said.
In numerous tries, Wax struggled and was too slow. While fit probies finish with air left in their tanks, she had to stop when hers ran out, the source added.
“She’s in the best shape of her life, and it’s still not good enough,” he said.
Under the FDNY’s new hiring policy, probies must earn at least 75 percent on the combined requirements of academics, hands-on skills and physical fitness.
Wax had a high grade-point average on her academics, which officials determined offset her FST deficiency, the insider said.
Last December, Fire Commissioner Daniel Nigro told a City Council hearing on the FDNY’s efforts to recruit women that he had changed FST requirements to lower obstacles.
“We still grade the people. You can still fail it if you go beyond the time, but you’re not automatically failed from the program,” he said.
He also indicated he wanted to act before a possible sex discrimination lawsuit after the city paid $98 million to settle a lawsuit that accused the FDNY of discriminating against minorities.
“We must no longer wait for a judge’s ruling to tell us what fairness means,” Nigro said.
United Women Firefighters, an organization of FDNY women, objects to the FST test, contending it unfairly bars females.
The FST requires a much higher level of fitness than the Candidate Physical Ability Test, which applicants must pass to enter the academy.
Experts say the FST mirrors the demands of the job, training would-be firefighters to work in stressful environments while conserving their air supply.
Wax had previously received another break to join the FDNY after pleading in June 2011 for a City Council bill that raised the age limit from 29 to 35 for applicants like her who first took the entrance exam in 2007. A hiring freeze imposed by federal Judge Nicholas Garaufis in the discrimination suit put them in limbo.
“I want nothing more than to be a New York City firefighter,” Wax, then 29, had testified at a hearing.
Wax has worked as a civilian FDNY employee since 2009, lately as a community coordinator, making $52,338 last year.
Reached outside her Upper East Side apartment Friday, she would not speak to a reporter.
Nigro, questioned by The Post during an FDNY anniversary celebration at a Midtown firehouse Saturday, refused to comment on Wax’s fitness failure.
“Every one of our 305 probies have passed and will be graduating Tuesday,” he said. “She has met the requirements.”
The probationary class started with 320 recruits, meaning 15 dropped out or must retake the course.
http://nypost.com/2015/05/03/woman-to-become-ny-firefighter-despite-failing-crucial-fitness-test/
Article text and link below.
The FDNY for the first time in its history will allow someone who failed its crucial physical fitness test to join the Bravest.
Rebecca Wax, 33, is set to graduate Tuesday from the Fire Academy without passing the Functional Skills Training test, a grueling obstacle course of job-related tasks performed in full gear with a limited air supply, an insider has revealed.
“They’re going to allow the first person to graduate without passing because this administration has lowered the standard,” said the insider, who is familiar with the training.
Upon graduation, Wax would be assigned to a firehouse and tasked with the full duties of a firefighter.
Some FDNY members are angry.
“We’re being asked to go into a fire with someone who isn’t 100 percent qualified,” the source said. “Our job is a team effort. If there’s a weak link in the chain, either civilians or our members can die.”
Wax’s graduation comes as the city celebrates the FDNY’s 150th anniversary and as the department is under pressure by the de Blasio administration to hire more women.
Only 44 of the FDNY’s 10,500 firefighters are female.
While Wax fell short, two other female probies in the graduating class passed the FST with flying colors.
“They’re kicking butt. They’re doing better than 50 percent of the class,” the insider said. “When they get assigned to a firehouse, they’ll be welcomed with open arms because they’ve done what everyone else has gone through.”
Other female firefighters aren’t pleased about Wax’s treatment, either.
“A lot of the girls in the field are pissed because they feel like they’re getting lumped into the same category of a female getting special treatment and not meeting the same standards as the males,” the insider added. “It devalues what the women in the field have accomplished.”
“We’re being asked to go into a fire with someone who isn’t 100 percent qualified. Our job is a team effort. If there’s a weak link in the chain, either civilians or our members can die.”
In the FST exam, probies must breathe through a mask attached to an air tank while carrying up to 50 pounds of gear.
They must climb six flights of stairs, stretch hose lines, raise ladders, perform tasks that simulate breaking doors and pulling down ceilings, and drag dummies through tunnels with no visibility.
They must complete the course in 17 minutes, 50 seconds or less.
Despite many attempts over the Fire Academy’s 18-week training course, Wax completed the test just once — but it took her more than 22 minutes, the source said.
In numerous tries, Wax struggled and was too slow. While fit probies finish with air left in their tanks, she had to stop when hers ran out, the source added.
“She’s in the best shape of her life, and it’s still not good enough,” he said.
Under the FDNY’s new hiring policy, probies must earn at least 75 percent on the combined requirements of academics, hands-on skills and physical fitness.
Wax had a high grade-point average on her academics, which officials determined offset her FST deficiency, the insider said.
Last December, Fire Commissioner Daniel Nigro told a City Council hearing on the FDNY’s efforts to recruit women that he had changed FST requirements to lower obstacles.
“We still grade the people. You can still fail it if you go beyond the time, but you’re not automatically failed from the program,” he said.
He also indicated he wanted to act before a possible sex discrimination lawsuit after the city paid $98 million to settle a lawsuit that accused the FDNY of discriminating against minorities.
“We must no longer wait for a judge’s ruling to tell us what fairness means,” Nigro said.
United Women Firefighters, an organization of FDNY women, objects to the FST test, contending it unfairly bars females.
The FST requires a much higher level of fitness than the Candidate Physical Ability Test, which applicants must pass to enter the academy.
Experts say the FST mirrors the demands of the job, training would-be firefighters to work in stressful environments while conserving their air supply.
Wax had previously received another break to join the FDNY after pleading in June 2011 for a City Council bill that raised the age limit from 29 to 35 for applicants like her who first took the entrance exam in 2007. A hiring freeze imposed by federal Judge Nicholas Garaufis in the discrimination suit put them in limbo.
“I want nothing more than to be a New York City firefighter,” Wax, then 29, had testified at a hearing.
Wax has worked as a civilian FDNY employee since 2009, lately as a community coordinator, making $52,338 last year.
Reached outside her Upper East Side apartment Friday, she would not speak to a reporter.
Nigro, questioned by The Post during an FDNY anniversary celebration at a Midtown firehouse Saturday, refused to comment on Wax’s fitness failure.
“Every one of our 305 probies have passed and will be graduating Tuesday,” he said. “She has met the requirements.”
The probationary class started with 320 recruits, meaning 15 dropped out or must retake the course.
http://nypost.com/2015/05/03/woman-to-become-ny-firefighter-despite-failing-crucial-fitness-test/
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Disgraceful!! Enough with this PC-tippy-toeing-or-the-girl-will-cry sh*t. She failed--boot her out.
From the article: “Our job is a team effort. If there’s a weak link in the chain, either civilians or our members can die.”
--Enough said.
From the article: “Our job is a team effort. If there’s a weak link in the chain, either civilians or our members can die.”
--Enough said.
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I agree completely. She's putting fellow firefighters in danger. It is completely about being a team. If you are the weak link the whole team goes down and potentially dies. So wrong of NYC to do this. Functional Skills is like their foundation. If she can't do that she can't be trusted.
I have many friends who are firefighters all over the world. One of them is a female firefighter in Germany. She takes her job seriously and lifts the weight of her fellow firemen for exercise so that she can. SMH
I have many friends who are firefighters all over the world. One of them is a female firefighter in Germany. She takes her job seriously and lifts the weight of her fellow firemen for exercise so that she can. SMH
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And if someone died because she could not do her job.. Who is going to take the fall?
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My crystal ball says.
She will quit or be let go in the coming months, she will sue and win.
And the city will put her back on the job as part of the settlement where she will again quit.
You CAN NOT do that job alone if you're on the line... so unless they move here to a position in the department that requires NO teamwork and cooperation from fellow firefighters (equipment maintainer, investigator, admin) she will fail, she will be a liability, she is putting her fellow fighters lives at risk.
She will quit or be let go in the coming months, she will sue and win.
And the city will put her back on the job as part of the settlement where she will again quit.
You CAN NOT do that job alone if you're on the line... so unless they move here to a position in the department that requires NO teamwork and cooperation from fellow firefighters (equipment maintainer, investigator, admin) she will fail, she will be a liability, she is putting her fellow fighters lives at risk.
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Well gee whiz, pinkies out, politically correct, tears of equality. Am I all ready to put on a Ranger and Special Forces tab because I no longer need to worry about passing the standards?.......making those tabs a joke. No Sir, I don't like it; not one bit.
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The fitness test are there for a reason. I feel sorry for her because the process let her down and the company who will be getting her.
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More PC nonsense... This is the same PC BS that the military will be forced to follow suit on with women in Infantry, Ranger School, etc.
Set a standard for all to meet and allow anybody who meets the standard to participate. There should be no relaxation of standards for sex, race, or anything else. If the standard is fair and accurately meets the requirements of the job, it should be met by all.
More PC nonsense... This is the same PC BS that the military will be forced to follow suit on with women in Infantry, Ranger School, etc.
Set a standard for all to meet and allow anybody who meets the standard to participate. There should be no relaxation of standards for sex, race, or anything else. If the standard is fair and accurately meets the requirements of the job, it should be met by all.
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Blasio and people like him are the downfall of our society. He wants more women in the FDNY and could care less how they get there. It is sad to see the officials are allowing this to take place.
I was asked (once) to "Ensure" my Lt qualified on her handgun. I told my Chief she will qualify or not on her own terms and effort. I asked him why had he never taken special interest in any of our Airmen? He had nothing in return. The Lt did fail, blamed me for it, and she was forced to go through qualification all over again.
Things should be earned and not given. I know Airmen that busted their ass and made CMSgt. They did it through effort and commitment. This young lady will never know what that feels like.
I was asked (once) to "Ensure" my Lt qualified on her handgun. I told my Chief she will qualify or not on her own terms and effort. I asked him why had he never taken special interest in any of our Airmen? He had nothing in return. The Lt did fail, blamed me for it, and she was forced to go through qualification all over again.
Things should be earned and not given. I know Airmen that busted their ass and made CMSgt. They did it through effort and commitment. This young lady will never know what that feels like.
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Everyone gets an award is cool for kindergarteners through second grade. There comes a point in life when people need to realize that there are winners and losers. When you lose you need to have the fortitude to recognize your faults then improve on them so next time you will be in the win column. PC has gotten to the point where winning and losing is now equivalent to life or death. Will someone lose their life because this fireman isn't fit enough to perform her duties? It is hard to say. The real question is "Do you want to take the chance that this weak link could cause a death?" The answer is no. There are professions out their that require a person to be fit and ready to perform. You cannot compromise when lives are at stake.
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I am a former firefighter, and a firefighter who cannot do the job will end up in one of three places, on the street, in a non-firefighting job, or as an officer. Since she is in a career dept. it should be the street, but most likely although to avoid a lawsuit after she is ostracized by her station house, they will shuffle her off to fire prevention or public information to avoid the negative publicity this has caused. The worst part is, they will fast track her into an officer position, to keep her quiet & happy. I have seen this in other career departments. A volunteer department would simply toss her off and be done with it, but then volunteer departments aren't FDNY.
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I think it's BS. I was a volunteer firefighter for 3 years prior to enlisting, and even as a volunteer, we still had to meet fitness requirements, or we were put on probation. No call, no training. Just PT. And the women in our department had to meet the SAME requirements as the men, because at the end of the day, they may have to do the exact same job. So this is ridiculous.
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