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CPT Jack Durish
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I'm not surprised. Are you? After all, socialism promises to replace mommy and daddy with a paternalistic system that will provide for their every want thus allowing them to live as children in perpetuity. Personally, I consider this an indictment of the American education system. Civics has been eliminated from the classroom and Leftist ideologues have replaced it with indoctrination.

I'll tell you something else that's interesting: RP has a "Topic" for "Socialism" but not "Capitalism". What's up with that?
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1. We are not a monolith.
2. Everything is on a spectrum I usually prefer a two dimensional spectrum to the old 1 dimensional one.
3. We have to fix the mistakes of earlier generations.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/11/05/baby-boomers-are-whats-wrong-with-americas-economy/?tid=sm_fb

This means experimenting with different ideas.

You know debates I'd like to see? Young Robert Heinlein vs Old Robert Heinlein and Ayn Rand vs some of the Scandinavian socialists.
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Col Joseph Lenertz
Col Joseph Lenertz
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I agree families and the military are socialistic. Families intentionally transfer care and wealth from producers (parents) to non-producers (children), and much later in life, the care and wealth might transfer back from 50-something children to 80-something parents. But that isn't the whole story for families. Parents' goal #1 is building productive, happy young adults...and there is a known time limit on the transfer, and this is perhaps where we have gone wrong with our own children, as we smudge the time limit into oblivion.
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
SSgt Boyd Herrst
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“Some baby boomers” are what’s wrong.. not all.. Don’t throw us all in the same enclosure.. I (we )did use resources but we’re conservative. Sure.. I ran the water a minute but filled the water bottle and refrigerated it until later use, thought about what I wanted before I opened the door to get an item.. I thought did I need that item right now or could I get it later when we went shopping and get it all I. One trip. If I topped the tank, I was on my way somewhere a long way away, so minimal gas escape.. I’d burn it before that happened.. if I used the gas grill, I cooked enough to make it worth turning on.. Reading.. I read when I could without turning a light on.. As far as running up the debt.. that’d be the ones on the left.. free school lunches, free school books and writing materials and pencils. When they started that free paper deal in school. I wanted to get started so I had my own paper in my notebook.. that socialist leftist that called herself a teacher, walked over, grabbed my notebook and gave me two sheets out of it.. if you need more come up and get it just like the others do ! They wait, you wait ! Hey, I don’t need your socialist dogma, i told her..I’m outta here.. who’s with me ? ... 8 of us left with our books, the curriculum synopsis she gave us and went to the library.. was I wrong.. kinda... We’d supplied our own gear.. not those golf pencils and the paper with the woodchips !.. She was collecting every other book and we’d have to share books.. some of us work faster.. some slower.. so the faster kid got to wait on the slow poke.. I told her.. look, I rented this book along with my others, you want it back?.. then give me a $1!... until then hands off... got it?.. it cost me 2 days in detention, but I had my book and got my work done. Would of got a A but points deducted for disrupting backtalk so a C+... She wanted gigs(JROTC).. [She had to file a grievance through her union.]tacked on for the disruption.. but that was dble jeopardy-charged twice for same offense..?.. {thankfully she hadn’t read about cases such as one for an open container in public at a city Park ballgame where the Airman had an open beer in the presence of minors{actually he was a minor too because he wasn’t 21}. It was in the newspaper, even though he wasn’t in uniform it identified him as being in the military and where stationed.. his Unit Cmdr gave him a conduct unbecoming, L.O.R. and suspended bust it delayed his promotion to SrAmn until suspended bust was over.. I think if the teacher had read that, use it as an example...to show the Commandant..
As far as responsibility, I take it for my actions.. I enlisted in Reserves and Active Duty.. and served our country. as did some others..
So it should of been clarified as
Some Baby boomers...
Yeah.. there were some that were in for themselves to get an education
And malinger as much as possible with minimal production time.. the ‘gold-brickers..
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
SSgt Boyd Herrst
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CPT Jack Durish I agree about the hippies to a point.. but not a generation. But a clique within a generation.. for a longtime they were called ‘beatniks’. Then we got the “p.c-Nike”. I surmised they evolved from the so-called wanna-Be leftists. ., They evolved from the p.c’s?.... maybe an egg cracked open and they evolved(ha-ha).. oh no, can’t call them that.. it’ll hurt their feelings.. talking about ‘sno-flakes.. I came along in very early
50’s... I was given little chores like go get the flowers in the box by the fence for mama... of course dad followed and watched. Load them in the wagon and haul to where she she planted them... I’d heard of other kids getting $.50 for doing chores... that didn’t happen ! You want that burger n fries? Good that’s your allowance.. hard way to earn? It made me appreciate it more !... later as I aged (7 yrs, I got some quarters and s’times a dollar for doing s’thing w/o being asked...mom didn’t expect me to change no diaper,.. I got out of that game when I stood baby brother in a little tub in the bath tub to catch any mess and I sprayed that hose to wash him off .. he sat a couple times and I had to wash him again..
( She liked that mini tub idea...just dump it in toilet and flush.. I didn’t tell her I got it from dad.. he quit taking him outside (in the spring n summer)in back when he(LiL brother) was nekked and spraying him off.. I had other chores.. I initiated to get paid for.. shine shoes,, read to little brother (watch your brother, read to him). .. $.25.. and then the big giant grabbed the crying spoiled brat and up the bean stalk he went.. saying on the saying up “I’m gonna butter you up and into the pot until your all tender and juicy...”. That got stopped.. if you want me leave that out, it’ll be $.50!
Later came and I was 10, folks thought I had a math prob.. actually I was ok. They wanted me like my cousin doing algebra and trig and that C one.. So off to Mo. to that Catholic academy with AFJROTC.
We had kind of a Royal blue jacket with a leather semi-gloss belt with chrome buckle. A lighter blue-gray trouser when you got your Sgt, you got your medium blue strip .on your trousers.. and then your SSGT. Rocker . When you got Your “T” patch in the cradle ( the T matched the uniform jacket color on a cloth that matched the trousers). Our uniforms had their own distinctions in design and the JROTC program let us have them.
and being a private academy we had cathecism -our religious studies program.. To get to our academy one went up a 1/4 mi. Drive curbed with curbstone and troop walk on either side.. our main building facing front with our billets behind us. The Sr. Billets[gr. 8-12] were on left side and Jr on left. [4th - 7th..]. I wasted no time and busted but on my studies.. I was hoping to return back early and be there when new Cadets rolled in 1st of August for indoctrination. When I started in Winter-Spring Semester I got to take a bypass test and not have to do some stuff.. I made up for it. But I still had my C/A2C Strip by Feb 1.. They were trying to be in line with the AF as far as rank went. It was 1964.. I had a few of my class mates that had had too many gigs (they had probs in religious studies)and got their C/A2C chevron held up.. They didn’t like it because they been there since August.. Before I got there we had Sister that was hard and pounded that stuff into us... So had the Hail Mary and stations of the cross and Act of contrition down good. The Our Father was easiest.. I’d get studying and take a study break and then I had my Cathecism study book./workbook(fill in answers).. and we were allowed to do that in study hall along with taking a R.R. Break.. By April 1st I got a meritorious promotion to Cadet SGT. For upholding Traditions / Standards etc., etc., of the United States Air Force Junior R.O.T.C. Program, The U.S. Air Force and St D’s ... in short. We were at a public park and in our P.T. Shirts n shots, Half boots.. and a toddler had chased its ball right off the walkway along the pond into the water.. it was deep for the toddler .. Anyway I went after the child and brought it to shore... it wasn’t breathing and patted on back and gave it A.R. And it came around pretty good.. The beach was over on the other side and the Lifeguard gal came over and took charge.. She wanted to take the little tyke but it held onto me.. hey. What can I say ?.. The F.D. With their Rescue arrived in a few min. And I handed it over(it still tried to hang on) .. A park officer got my name.. and that was it! I didn’t expect such fast action on the sitrep.. actually I didn’t know it would happen ! It wasn’t in our Cadet Airman’s Guide. I think the promotion was just an Academy Action, not a JROTC action.. I s’pose it could of been .. A Squad leader position became available.. Another Cadet was in line for it.. He’d put on his Cadet SGT in December .. “Cadet B________ was in line for it, he should get it !” I said. “Are you refusing responsibility? “. “Find me another position .. even in another Flight! .. The Cadet Cmdr seen the predicament I put myself in.. The Senior Staff mulled it over... and over... They came to a conclusion: I
would be the Commandant’s JR. Aide D’Camp.. The Rope and White Gunbelt No holster? Only for parade ! I still got a cartridge belt. 2 of them.. they had ammonia snaps.. Our Commandant was 78 ..
had sleepy spell, what they were scared of is he’d stop breathing too long.. So I carried a rescesutation kit bag, sometimes a portfolio bag for him too.. I wasn’t with him all time, I had classes too.. but I was at his table at lunch.. when the D.R.O.s
Weren’t around (they made a good job of disappearing.. since I got made the Commandant’s aide
Well summertime came and that meant going home for summer.. I was waiting on check to cash and get my train ticket home.. it still had not come.. maybe the folks read my dream by mental telepathy that I wanted to stay.. hmm.. while I was thinking(daydreaming). It got interrupted.. C/ SGT Herrst your wanted at the Commandant’s Office Assap ! I wasn’t that far. Down the hall.. I knocked and entered.. You don’t have to do that, your one of his Aides.. I still knocked on his door and said who I am.. He told me to enter but not stand at ease.. His Senior Aide, An Air Force Retired MSGT read from some AF style stationary.. attention to Orders: by the order of Commandant of St. Domenics Jesuit Military Academy, the following named person is hereby promoted to the Brevit grade of C/SSGT. And will assume this rank effective this date 15 June, 1965. This promotion will be for 60 days on the 61St day.. August 15, 1964,, he will be promoted permanently to SSGT and hold until subsequent promotion to next grade. So they hand me them and my letter order and I’m dismissed .. I got 2 days to get them On. I’m a good at sewing but the uniform I got requires more intriquite stitching . Classes are done.. for the summer.. I head to the tailor shop .. ahh still open.. Mrs. k very dependable ! I gave her my Jacket and waited., it took her about 5 minutes to get them off and another few to tack on the new ones and sewn in proper place.. I thanked her and said “look over there. What’s that?” When she did I slipped a few $$ in her sewing machine drawer and shut it.. and gave her a little kiss on the cheek and hoped nobody else seen it.. I headed to my billet and found Dad and Mom waiting.. it took only a few minutes tok
Get the bag and my flight bag packed.. When I was in town after that park there was a Military Surplus store and I got me a set of Aviator style Bausch n Lomb sun glasses((not the mirror lensed, I don’t remember if they were made yet. .. maybe ! I looked at our atlas trying to find a bridge going across so we could stop at Scott AFB .. Mom had other plans.. They had came across on a ferry and she had no intention of going back on one.
MOM RULES.!.. so we had to drive up and back across into East St. Louis.. highways weren’t as good then.. not like ‘interstates’ these days.. We were below Chicago a ways ..got into Indiana.. went up and caught a Turnpike.that ran into Ohio and across it.. We went back to Mo pretty much the way we drove home.. Anyway it was good to be home after all.. In just a few short months I’d go back.. We had a khaki Uniform like the AF It was long sleeve too.. We got to start wearing it in March on the 15th..
I had brought my Khakis home.. Mom did a good job of getting the other Chevrons off without messing the shirt .. I was 5’6-1/2 tall.. thankfully it was from the waist-up I grew.. not the trunk from legs down to feet.. My shirt was a bit big when i got it.. it fit better when going back..
It was first Sunday home and I thought we were gonna go to The State Park early and have breakfast cooking on a park setup.. No.. it was going to rain at noon. “ what that got to do with anything?” I went had a couple pancakes and ham.. went back inmy room and mom got a “little boy Sunday church outfit laid out.. That must be for... ‘cuse me... not wearing no “little boy “ Sunday outfit ! ~>(what I said to myself..) well.. it was almost 80•F and it was only 0730 hrs.. that almost Sunday morn’g. I got out my fresh-pressed Summer khakis with the blue tie and Flight cover. (Army called them garrison hats). So I got that outfit on and went out front in the living room
Mom was NOT impressed.... “your grandma bought that for your B’day!” “Well.. she can take it back, I never even tried it on.!”
I went out side on the lawn chair ..
I looked up and seen the rain clouds and went back and got my service cover, rain cover and raincoat.. it had cooled a few degrees... The clouds just hovered.. we got a few drops and they moved eastward toward Detroit.. . Good, they can have them ! ... Time came and we went to church.., It was a quiet ride.. Dad was the only one who said anything. “ I think it looks on you “. He didn’t get no further.... mom put her finger to her lips and shook her head no(remember: MOM RULES)... I got inside, taking my cover off as I entered. We went to our pew and I stood aside as they went in and genuflecting upon entering. Grandpa and Grandpa across the aisle .. Afterward to their house for dinner..
They only lived a few blocks from town .. a couple cousins and I went to town and seen a cowboy movie..
Maybe a Allen Ladd, movie.. After we got out of there.. A couple kids I knew (and didn’t particularly care about from the neighborhood I used to live in were there.. Hoping they would not notice(geez, how could they miss me standing there in my uniform? At first I thought they would... I really did !.. They went over to the A&P store.. prob’ly to see what they could 5 finger out w/o paying.. frigging maggots !
One of my cousins asked what was I thinking ... “do you really want to
Know!” I answered “You’re not even giving them a presumption of innocense on a Sunday?” “NO! Why should I?” “It’s the law...”
“And?” “It’s Sunday, I think even the Lord would want you to do that!” He said.. I didn’t comment..
if I couldn’t what I thought I’d like to.. I’ll keep it to myself !... No...
I got to ... “I can’t give the presumption he’s innocent, when I’m sure, he’s gonna steal a candy bar, maybe 2..”. There I said it and I feel better for it. If you can’t be honest with yourself .... Well these guys lived a few blocks over from our place.. They’d just moved there in April ‘64.. I thought I was rid of that vermin.. I was at a market by where we used to live and I’d seen them same kids go in.. I knew what they were up to.. and remarked to
a woman waiting on a taxi that them little vermin going to load their pockets with candy.. and run out of there.. like rats off a sinking ship..
“My but you have a filthy mouth!”
“I didn’t say no filthy words, I called them vermin and rats like they are..!” “They are human beings, innocent until proven guilty!” She said.. hmm where would I hear that again? I said to Myself... them brats were thieves, once a scoundrel... well you all know the rest.. some may disagree.. maybe redemption Somewhere.. I didn’t think of that later.. I didn’t think of it much in cathecism .. not in the early stages.. We’d covered it..I just wasn’t that convinced.. I surmised reading of it wasn’t enough .. then. Even having to write about it a 100 times(not in cathecism, at home.. I was doing my cathecism homework and expressed doubt to my mom.. that was as good as blasphemy against the sacrament.. it’s a cathecism book, not the Bible.. “wait until your dad gets home!” I heard that three times that day.. He got home.. he was tired.. I told him..
“If that’s what you believe, but you best think about it!”... he showered and went to bed... I’d beaten getting a spanking.. I thought she was gonna tan my hide for a minute there that day.. At the end of summer I was back at the school and one of the brothers approached me and said we needed to talk.. I didn’t know what about and waited on him .. Sure enough Mom had talked to one of them and how the summer before..
I had expressed doubt in the redemption of a fellow human.
From having been a thief..to being good.. I wasn’t talking about the catholic missal or cathecism, Chaplain. But some kids I knew at school before here.. Bad news Chaplain.. And I explained I had been with my cousins to see a movie and came across kids from my old school and how they went in the store and stole candy On a dare
My cousin said I had to give them the presumption of innocense, So how camo do that when I know they’re gonna steal.. I got the usual lecture how a LEO has to give a thief that presumption until a court proves them guilty.. them just having it is not actual proof..it has to be proven.. I know i’m Not the Lord or the Law, bit in my mind they’re gonna come out of that store off a shelf with s’thing they didn’t pay for.. So... will several our father, a few act of contritions, about 3 Hail Marys and a few. Stations of the cross convince?.....
I didn’t say no, I might double them ! So .. the next few years went by my “T” for TSGT kinda got slowed down for a couple cycles.. way I figured I was about where I should be if I had just started last year in August.. I talked to the Advisor and He said I was prob’ly right.. Remember the ol’. ‘Don’t ask a question you don’t already know the answer to.” Maybe that’s one I knew the answer to... Anyway I earned the MSGT after that and earned the diamond to go with it..
I had been notified I earned a scholarship for a 3rd year, Mom said I need to return Home, my siblings were lonely for me so I could not a accept the free scholarship.. they seen my final exam grades and satisfied of the final results So I had to go back to a civilian school with a bunch of delinquents.. So fall of ‘66 back to a civilian school.... not going to be fun, unless I can make it so.. we had a book of tricks I’d be taking back .. I couldn’t wait until that fall when I can try a few out..
Well.. first summer came.. I got lined up with Civil Air Patrol Squadron.. this ought to be fun.. first few weeks were open collarwhiteshirt, and a nametag they got made by a guy in the group had a bunch of Civil Air Patrol blanks. He got the manufacturer address and ordered a case.. 500
Nametags.. I got some new Uniforms at Selfridge ANGB.. They still had the 1505 shade khakis then
I got a set of the class As a few weeks later.. I wasn’t wearing no 2ds.. I got to liking it.. I got the books and blew through the cycles pretty quick . Of course as I went along they got a little tougher not much.. We kinda got topheavy.. We had 6 Cadet MSGTs running around We had c/SSGTs as Squad
Leaders.. and as a guidon bearer.. I
Stayed C/1SGT A couple cycles And then they added Cadet W.O.s.. I was one of the lucky ones to skip
C/W.O. Then I heard and later it was confirmed AFJROTC was getting started at the High School.. One of the JR Highs had their 9th graders at the H.S. Because the other JR.High was too small .. So was mine to bring any more over.. I lucked out not having to share a locker, my luck I get a guy that got fleas from his dog..I was able with s’body at board of Ed to effect a transfer to The Jr High whose ninth graders were at the H.S.. they were allowed to join the JROTC.. that’s What I wanted.. I dug out my portfolio from that academy. I made some phone calls and they made some calls on my behalf and those prople made calls on my behalf. and I was able to start as a
C/SSGT.. There were some that were not cool with that idea.. I wasn’t getting much cooperation from fellow Cadets that were only C/Amn and C/A1C. Some of the mommies were not happy their baby got passed over by another 9th grader that transfers in as a C/SSGT.. s’thing wrong Wayne, Mi.
So the Cmdt holds a meeting with those parents and has some help to do calm them.. it took3 hrs. They even got to seen my 201 File.. The Cmdt said they were impressed.. they wanted to know if I could be slowed down so their babies could catch up.. As long as he does his exams and passes and follows the rules he gets promoted.. Cmdt didn’t mention gigs because he thought their children would make them aware. I already had Class As and Shade 1505summer Uniforms which I could start wearing April 15 accord’g to Nat’l
AFJROTC Regulations. I had to go to the chevrons the public school AFJROTC wore., not a prob.. Like said earlier Mom was good getting the others off.. I had the new regular AF Blues for that era. I had bought for Civil Air Patrol.. I took those off and those AFJROTC chevrons went on.( no hand me downs either, some don’t sew good and they looked like s’one doesn’t know how to sew did them.. i went through some of those lint combs getting lint off.. I see some guy or gal getting their brush or comb out, I get as far as I can away.. I was talking to s’one and seen a gal getting her brush out and I said let’s move over here.. why they asked and I showed them she had her brush out.. and they said I was being rude.. I just got my uniform
From the cleaners, I don’t need to clean it again ! They said I was being facetious, it’s only a uniform!
We had a Regional Military Ball coming up.. I was going out to Selfridge and get the AF Mess dress and it came down the Cadets had to wear the class A with white shirt and bow tie. I can play this game.. it was my 10th going into 11th grade year.. (I had my plan for next spring.. that will come after..)
Four of us raided our accounts , got a Senior Advisor who happened to. Not be returning next Academic year.. got tired of the “Mickey mouse B.S. ....part was the Cadet officers having to wear the Class A with bow tie. It was wasn’t Senior Staff it was some parents of lower ranking cadets and they didn’t think it fair they Cadet officers wwren’t In solidarity with the JR cadets and wearing the class As with bow ties..
A few of the C/MSGTs were in the circle too with us.. but the JR cadets didn’t know that.. Since we couldn’t wear the mess dress we did the next best thing we did it early enough.. that Senior Advisor did us up letter orders to authorize us to purchase Class A UniForm and service cover and Flight cap(they all got to match.. we knew we only needed the jacket and trousers but for later we needed the covers so they fade together.). So we bought the uniforms and an extra pair trousers
And a couple blue dress shirts and ties too . We spent the whole day at Selfridge .. We took the one guy’s mom’s station wagon. Where you guys going she asked... Selfridge we all said .. “Well I better drive !” That was fine, buddy’s dad is Retired Navy and mom has a dependent card and so does buddy.. His Dad’’s a retired C.W.O...
So mom took us, we got what we needed , Buddy’s Mom took us to the O’club for lunch.. they had a big buffet with Steamship Rd.. Medium Rare for me please! 4 more mediums we got all our other goodies being Cadet officers and a couple Sr C/NCOs we knew how the protocol went and behaved accordingly.. We thanked them for the fabulous buffet and we each left a couple bills in the Kitty .. yes.. they were impressed. Their Mgr asked who we were and bud’s mom interceded how we were all in JROTC and had come down to get uniforms and that was it.. tell to much and they get nosy.. So one of us showed him our letter order to get uniforms. He wrote something off it and that Cadet got the letter order back.. So we went to bud’s home.. Mom and his sis worked to get the trousers done and a little touch up press’g.. put the stripe around the sleeve.. for the Cadet officers anyway.. We checked ourselves out... bud’s dad checked us too .. “I’m impressed Gentle -
men.. I seen the b.s. request by Whiney parents.. I’ll be at your.ball in My Mess Dress.. and Bud’s mom of course.. and who’s your date Bud, that filly in your English writing class.. hmm? That was a sharp trick you pulled getting them polyester Class As. You’ll look as good as those guys in their Mess dress !.. That Sr. Advisor decided he had a emergency family sitrep come up.. if he could get there later he’d try. Well.. we all showed up and the Junior Cadets jaws dropped to the floor.. we had no female Cadets yet.. They might of been authorized but we just fidn’t Have them yet.. Some parents who were chaperones jaws dropped to the floor.. they didn’t know what to say. . The Commandant gave us the thumbs up with both hands. As did our Sr Advisors.. We had a few parents who were (just) retired AF and one of them a CMSGT did wear a Mess dress.. so I surmised he didn’t complain.. we found the real reason wasn’t jealousy but cost.. sure the Mess dress could have been rented, it was the altering . Setting up for shoulder boards for cadet officers was not a prob.. . The pointed end would have snapped on. An adjustment made to the broad end underside would have to be afixed maybe. Bud’s mom used hook n loop fasteners(Velcro) for us Cadet officers which I was by then..
a couple asked about getting our uniforms ready. Bud’s Mom said her and Liz, bud’s Older Sis did all the altering. We got hold of the Advisor who did our orders and put “for the Commandant” and he signed them.. Well the Clothing Sales guy who wsn’f A senior clerk just took the orders at face value and didn’t Vet the Sr advisor’s signature (his authorization was in the Clothing sales Mgt’s.safe..but the clerk didn’t have access. So he didn’t get in trouble. .
So that next fall and into Spring I and the Other Cadet officers wore those Polyester Blues. We visited a couple other schools when our’s had to play a few games on Saturday because that school had fight probs at night games.. so we visited some of the high schools in another conference that had JROTC
Their uniforms were no new. It looked like we were rubbing their faces in our uniforms.. We visited but kept mum.. all we heard was “damn. did you see their uniforms ?”.. We did get invited to stay for the after game dance.. The Schools we visited were mixed.. caucasians, blacks, some P.R.s..
One guy, Not a JROTC type, you could see by the haircut.. looked out of the bush league... Hecome over and gave some BS about F’g with his girl .. I coulda said s’thing but wasn’t going to lower myself to his level.. looking at the byproducts he was wearing.. not e’body can cloth themself like J.W. Banks clothiers.. Another of their cadets stepped between us One of their other cadets Stepped between us.. “I thin we need to make our departure Cadets.. forthwith .. We said our goodbyes and got gone..
We went back to our town (not Tecumseh, that was in my later years)... We stopped by the Diner , it was 2230.. we went in.. “Sorry guys, curfew in half hour! Cops’ll be here and run y’all out., So we went through a drive through and got a six pack of cokes.. as soon as we pulled out.. the read bubblegum light came on. We hadn’t even opened them, so there’d be no trouble there.. you know what time it is fellas? .. it’s 10 minutes to 11 .. curfew time ! So Zi drove them all home and just got in my drive, 5 after 11.... and here he is.. and his red bubble light.. I had my cards out.. license, insurance proof, registration.. and Cadet I.D.
Card... he shined his light on them and in my face.. You know why I stopped you.. hmmm... oh it’s 5 after curfew time, oh my where has the time gone ? .. Your right he said., if you was one of them juvvies, I’d lock yer arse up.. well, I’m home! He looked at my license again.. yeah you are , have a good night, better get inside ! And that’s wheee I got pronto !
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
SSgt Boyd Herrst
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That was a percentage of them, not all... I was born in ‘53... from when I was really little/young ... to make use of. Resources... take care of them. We didn’t run to the store
E’time to get a loaf of bread.. mom made bread, and tortillas when it was time for them. I waa making that pita bread before I even knew it was called that. Get a small ball dough flatten a little then used mom’s rolling pin when she had to go tend to little brother. It wasn’t a perfect pita.. you look at a package..
none are perfect.. I was at a big box store recently that had a grocery DEPT. I seen what they called pita bread... they looked like they came out of a machine ... tasted that way too. Didn’t buy again.. back to a bag of imperfect ones .. better taste too.. those cream filled chocolate
Cakes? We had a Used burger bun pan my dad brought home that was bent. The bakery let him have
It. It just fit with not much to spare..
made cake buns .. some home made whipped cream from heavy cream we brought home from our cousin’s farm.. plopped some whipped cream in middle and another chocolate wafer on top. Those were awesome.. better than store stuff.. we did like going to bakery occasionally .. those bags were great after the bread was gone.
We recycled it.. Mom recycled pop bottles too.. dad got a bag of new bottle tops from a friend . mom did a
Fruit beverage Wasn’t carbonated
But flavorful... we started adding a little Canada Dry ginger ale to each bottle. We made it for us.. not to sell.. didn’t see no copyright damage ... I liked the pint milk bottles .. could hold more homemade beverage.. hey! Remember chocolate pop? We bought a couple pint bottles of.chocolate Milk on a picnic
And a bottle of cola pour some in a baby bottle For baby brother so he wouldn’t be left out.. And we had chocolate pop .. we did it before it came on the market.. by then it was mid 60s... Our cousins in Ohio would butcher a hog or cow and their butcher made some bologna sausage too from scrap ends ground together.. so we all beef bologna some times .. same with a hog that got butchered .. We knew what we got. Shelf life was short.. no artificial bisulfatea, MSG., so thd sausages we got were not big.. prob’ly just enough.. of the crusts on a loaf of bread were both good.. I made a sandwich with that.. And Mayonaise ! even I knew how to make it .. Mom had to be there because of the electric mixer ..
egg yolks, salad oil, mustard powder
A little salt, sugar ...mom would make enough so a jar was left over after making potato salad .. it went fast.. those eggs we got from the cousins.. so our trips were not just fun but productive.. along with vegetables we brought home .. So only a part of baby boomer were wasteful.. some are resourceful and knew how to save also..
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Not really; we've been converting schools from places where children are taught how to think to maoist indoctrination camps where they're told what to believe for the last 50 years and dumbing them down in the process. The Founders were right; eternal vigilance is the price of freedom and that's just one of many duties we haven't been fulfilling.
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you are exactly right. throughout history, each generation is dumber than the one it replaces. that trend has been on a landslide rate in the US for a long time now. we are already seeing some of orwells "1984" implemented in our culture.. we are already experiencing language modification and there have been things altered in textbooks.
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I'm not sure millennials are traditional socialist, but I think they realize something about the world is changing. Millennials, I believe more than other generations, especially boomers, realize that technology is eating everything. Technology will continue to replace low skilled jobs, it will make it even easier for a business to manufacture overseas or just go straight robotic, it will allow a small group of people to achieve incredible productivity levels by harnessing technology.

Uber is the most profitable per employee company in the world. This is the case for two reasons: 1) Uber has good technology and uses a phone to do what a taxi call center used to do. 2) Uber drivers are contractors or free lance hires and not full time employees. Accenture published a report, posted by an RP member, showing an increasing trend in free lance work and decentralized work places over the next decade. All of the data points to fewer and fewer full time jobs in America for low skilled workers.

Now ask the question: what does America do with hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions who have no skills to gain employment in a high tech society? Do they starve? Do they die because the don't have health care? I'm not a socialist but I also believe we have a real problem emerging in our country as technology continues to proliferate and replace jobs previously done by people, and I think millennials understand, or at least feel this. They accept the fact that driverless cars are going to take them to work in their lifetime, and drones will deliver their packages, and robots will be their waiter...and they think...how are all these people doing these jobs now going to eat?
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Uber, an excellent example of capitalism at work. Thank you
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Would you be surprised to learn that millennials prefer socialism to capitalism?
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I would think most 18-25 year olds would lean heavily that way while they are 18-25. Socialism seems like a great idea when you don't have a career. It becomes less of a good idea when it's your money they are taking.

"If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain" - Misattributed to W. Churchill, but likely from:

"Celui qui n’est pas républicain à vingt ans fait douter de la générosité de son âme; mais celui qui, après trente ans, persévère, fait douter de la rectitude de son esprit." - Jules Claretie (1875)
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CPT Jack Durish
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Thanks for the Claretie citation. I'll have to look that up. The thing is that Churchill spoke with such authority, everyone assumed that everything that came out of his mouth was original. Truth is that he was an autodidact - and he educated himself in the classics
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Ah socialism... The scary word that everyone takes for granted in their everyday lives but few can define when pressed to do so..
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Right, roads are built for everyone and everyone benefits from them, a little thing called commerce. Though the road itself actually produces nothing. Police and fire also produce nothing but they proved safety and security in their respective communities. All of these things fall under the purview of the respective governments, guided by the US Constitution.
However, programs like Medicare, Medicaid, Social security, welfare, food stamps, etc, are outside that scope. They take from the producers bad give to someone else who fits a certain criteria (someone given "victim" status defined by corrupt government). People often ask me if I would like to lose these programs; the answer is YES.
On the subject of these programs, you state I would pay less through them than I would paying cash. This is only true over the past ten years or so. And the only reason you pay more now because you are paying for the deadbeats on Medicare, Medicaid, and obamacare. Why are health care costs so high? Because insurance companies negotiate a lower price, and Medicare and Medicaid pay a lower price to begin with. The doctor/hospital is going to make it up somewhere... by raising prices to get the fees they really need. Remember, most of the problems in society today are caused by the government. Why would you expect the same government to be able to fix them?
We don't have much of a capitalist system these days. Sure, compared to much of Europe we do, but in the overall scope of things, capitalism is quite limited.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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SPC Darren Koele - I've always found it odd that, when people quote Hitler mentioning Socialism, they have no problem going "see? Hitler was a Socialist!", but when Hitler spoke about his deep and abiding Christian faith, people are very quick to go "oh, well that part doesn't count, he wasn't a REAL Christian"...

We really are very selective in our interpretation and acceptance of quotes.... Bear in mind, there are dozens of varieties of Socialism, each with different pros and cons. Hitler was not the poster child for the concept of "socialism"t. He practiced a very specific type of government, and it would be more accurately described as fascism really...
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How is the secret service socialism?
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CPT Jack Durish
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This list is indicative of a person who has no concept of what socialism is
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It's sad how many of my friends/peers/coworkers only see the dream of the socialist utopia but don't want to research the sad facts of its historical implementation and disastrous effects.
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I'm not surprised but it also has very little to do with "promises to replace mommy and daddy with a paternalistic system that will provide for their every want thus allowing them to live as children in perpetuity." This is the most common indictment on the Millennial generation by older generations. In fact, its probably the common criticism by every older generation about the one that immediately follows.

Americans under 30 only know one political climate, and thats the one we're in now, the same one that American's universally dislike. Now they're being shown something else and all they know is that the one right now isn't working so anything else must be better. In this case, it's not that they prefer socialism over capitalism, its that they just reject status quo of our current American government.

Second, when Millennials think of the word "socialism" they don't have images of the Cold War, Russia, the Iron Curtain, "Commies," the Cuban Missile Crises, etc. They see Canada and Scandinavia. Thats a huge difference.

So I don't think its a reflection on the education system. Generations will always think the next generation is too progressive. It's not as it they don't learn about these parts of American History and government. The difference is you learned it by living it. Its a completely different perspective. It's not possible for Millennials to see Socialism and the Cold War through the same lens as the Baby Boomers.
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MCPO Roger Collins , indeed, I too have noticed the propensity of those on the left to point to outdated examples that have proven themselves to be a failure.
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SSG Carlos Madden yes, and unfortunately, they have our current system in their minds as a representation of Capitalism, when it is anything but economic freedom we've been experiencing. The word indoctrination Comes to mind
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Those "truths " you say are relative, and based on ones background are called opinions.
Truth - that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality.
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SSG Carlos Madden, you make very good points. I'll add a couple of comments/observations. I think the younger generation looks at the older generation (primarily the baby boomers) and sees hypocrisy and selfishness. A generational divide definitely exists, and our politicians play off that. This younger generation's preference for socialistic programs is an admonishment of the current political power structure. From what I've been told by many in the younger generation (and I interact with them a lot in my job), they clearly see that the baby boomers grew up in an era with affordable college, higher paying jobs, with better retirement benefits, and with a more progressive tax structure that enabled the government to make significant investments in our nation's infrastructure (education, roads, research, etc.). This structure helped sustain a growing economy and a thriving middle class, and it left the US a better place for future generations. At one point in time, that was viewed as the "American way". Millennials see that the Baby Boomers directly benefitted from that system to get ahead in life, and then dismantled it once they grew into a political force. Rather than "paying it forward" for the next generation, like most generations have done before us in American history, they chose to "keep it for themselves". The constant tax cuts have led to constant attacks on the funding that supported the very programs that helped build our country. Now, the Millennials have to go into deep debt to get an education (which generations before them did not have to do), and they come out of college with fewer good job opportunities (which generations before them also did not have to do). Meanwhile, as the the baby boomers are moving into the retired ranks, those budgetary pressures have now caused the baby boomers to have to fight to save their own Social Security and Medicare benefits, while trying to cut them for the younger generations. Most proposals I have seen leave it alone for people close to retirement (mainly, those baby boomers), but cut it for those further away from retirement (mainly, the Gen X and Millennial generations). In other words, "I got mine, and you leave it alone; you go worry about taking care of yourself." I know that's cynical, but that's the perspective I hear from the younger generation on a regular basis. Whether the older generations agree with it or not, that's a political reality that we must face. They call the WWII vets "the Greatest Generation", and the baby boomers "the Worst Generation". The Millennials just want the same thing that their preceding generations had, and that denial and dismantling has manifested itself into a different breed of politicians that we haven't seen for generations. However, many of the things we currently are calling "Socialism" have been a fabric of our society for generations, under the much larger umbrella of capitalism.
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Not at all surprised. The same scum, trash and garbage that rioted, fled the country and spit on the military in the sixties destroyed our education system and turned our schools into socialist indoctrination camps. After decades of brainwashing generations of our young it is only natural that they finally gained the majority. I only expect it to get worse.
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CPT Jack Durish Millenials (my daughter) vs Generation Z (her son, my Grandson) are an interesting comparison If this article is to be believed the Generation Z group looks like a check (at least on paper via survey) against the Millennials.

https://www.inc.com/ryan-jenkins/generation-z-vs-millennials-the-8-differences-you-.html

When comparing Baby Boomers (me) to Generation Z (My grandson) I see great hope. If this article is to be believed my grandson and his generation are more inline with the thinking that created the greatest generation that impacted many of in the Boomer Generation. So, I think that is good news for our nation's future!!!

http://www.generationaledge.com/blog/posts/genz-like-grandparents

I think the only thing now is for these Gen Z kids in the next 10 years to be the tour de force that really questions the their Millennial parents and pushes the envelop of using tech to solve problems vs exploitation as the 1st article suggest and I agree with. The attitudes of so called Millenials have emerged, at least to me, as attitudes that say "Give me information and I tell you what to think" vs "Teach me HOW to think and I'll examine the available information and determine for myself using various tools what the data means to me." The latter being more my grandson's attitude.

When we think about 2026 and the beginning of the next 250 years of Freedom, it seems to me that the Generation Z group is looking to reclaim the American Dream, but with a twist! I think they in general have little tolerance for "-isms" or "-ists" and while they have some consideration for people's feelings, they are more concerned with results and less tolerant of excuses or what i call the "...Oh, mannnnnn..." syndrome that seems to question, because they want to avoid rather than take responsibility.

Finally, I think Generation Zs are more a "We the people....ALL the people..." group that believes to have "collective" Life, Liberty and Happiness that every "INDIVIDUAL" has to have "their" Life, Liberty and Happiness in tact, otherwise collective misery is at hand. I am thinking in 50 years the Gen Zs will become the next "greatest generation" in ways we can not see or understand right now. But, I first think the Millenials will have to better engage with them, because I think the emerging Gen Zs tolerance for "stupid" will be even less than "the Greatest Generation's". That is if my own grandson is any indication.

Capt Richard I P. You spoke about "3. We have to fix the mistakes of earlier generations." Are you actually speaking about "Me" personally (OR) about "Governmental Policies of a given period" that created issues "I and others" had to deal with, but we had hand in creating? Don't get me wrong, I am not taking your comments personal, at any level. What I am saying is "experimenting" is what happened with "the social safety net" that has taken on more than it was intended to, AND that unless we have more immediate and painful remedies for the ENRON abuses of the world for the individuals that believed that hype and yet still suffered and never recovered then what you are talking about lacks perspective. Remember greed and power in both systems require checks and balances and the humans that administer both systems Capitalism and Socialism are flawed precisely because of their HUMAN frailties. ALL SYSTEMS on paper or via rhetoric can be made to sound ideal, but the lynch pin to both is the HUMAN element! Both collectively and individually.

Ask yourself this question: Are the issues of earlier generations "mistakes" or "growing pains?" The Founders expected "growing pains" and in the construction of the Constitution used the words "...to form a more perfect union..." to anticipate and understand that our "American Experiment" would be "painful", but in the end would be worth the pain as we worked and struggled to be that "...more perfect union." It sucks, the pain, trust me!, I know. But, my father who came here from war ravaged Europe after WWII to become a citizen and who was 100% SCD from an accident he sustained during his USAF career, taught me that every person has value and from every situation lessons are learned and from every point in history the world learns both what that world wants and does not want to become. We...:

- did not like taxation without representation, so we fought a revolution to create a new path forward;
- did not want to continue to enslave, so we fought a great civil war to free both the slave and the enslaver so they could ;
- did not want to only engage men in the political process, so we forged the rights of women to engage;
- did not want to live in tyranny, so we joined the fight to defeat against the hate and fear of Facism;
- did not want to disenfranchise "lawful citizens" the right to vote, so we established 'voting rights' and 'civil rights, thus laying the foundation for "human rights";
- are now struggling for a new level of "human rights" that is spurring a new debate on what the "... to Life, to Liberty and to the Pursuit of happiness means in the 21th Century and beyond.

So the question is have we made "mistakes" or are we, in each generation, closing the identified gaps (aka growing pains) in the wall to provide a tight yet flexible seal along the expanse that we call - democracy! Again, we are "imperfect people" working to form "...a more perfect union...." Not easy!

Also, you are correct we are (1) Not a monolith and (2) the world is a wonderful spectrum of possibilities. Yet, my father also taught me "Son, remember, your rights end so far as the next person's right begin and likewise, that person's right end, so far as your rights begin." In other words, no one is "more equal" than another and likewise on one is "less equal" than another. In order to have "...a more perfect union..." people have to respect each other.

In closing, I really liked what CPT Jack Durish said:

"It would really help if we began by defining terms. When I taught computer programming and architecture, I always began new classes with a question: "What's a frog?" The object of the question was to demonstrate how people can misinterpret what others say when they use the same term to mean different things."

My experience confirms the above, which is why, my responses here on RP, tend to be more detailed. men like CPT Durish and I have the benefit perspective over time. We call that the maturing process! If we are honest with ourselves, we want to "...leave the world a little better than we found it." But, that means we have to engage people and not blame people "aka prior generations" OR "All - what here" thus condemning, by implication, rather than looking at each individual for their unique value. There is ALWAYS room and opportunity to find the good and the not so good in individuals, systems or generations, but it is with "responsible balance" that we evaluate both the good and not so good via clear and not "fogged" goggles! Sometimes, we have remove the goggles, wipe them out and re-position the googles to get a new perspective. Does not mean we change our views, just means we take the time and make the efforts to understand the other person's point of view regardless. That can be very tricky at times!!! Very Tricky!!!

Just some thoughts!

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I do agree that the younger crew seem to be swinging back the other way. There is hope!
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I think it's natural for young people to be more socialist. After all, when they are at home, parents tend to try to make things as fair and equitable as possible. The innocence of childhood is purchased with the protection parents provide. We try to keep them away from the hard, cold world as long as possible and let them be kids.

Furthermore, the country, for all the conservatives' objections of late is supposed to have a creamy socialist center for our citizens to enjoy. The problem isn't with the concept, it's with the execution. Socialism shouldn't be forced and it shouldn't be driven from the top. Socialism is supposed to come from society - out of charity for one's neighbors - from the heart. It should NOT come from our government.

Therefore, I think it's time for the adults to continue to adult and to get us through this mess we're in today. We have to be the ones that tell little Johnny that he can't spend more than is in his bank account because that's irresponsible and eventually the money will run out. We have to tell little Susie that looking out for the least of these is an act of charity but not necessarily an act of Congress. And, just like moms and dads have to tell their own children "no" sometimes when they're getting out of hand, we need leaders that can tell the country "no" when the citizens do the same.

Great potential lies before us. We just have to adult our way through the mess to realize it.
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MCPO Roger Collins
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The major factor is the effects of the education system. I have seen young people that had their heads on straight becoming flaming liberals in less than two years. Yet, know nothing about finance or business. Compliments of the overwhelming drivel from people that have never worked in private industry, that produces products and services with no government support.
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