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Posted on Sep 19, 2014
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SGT Steve Vincent
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I think they should be sent back stateside, and put into a pool to be given to vets for use as service dogs. I would take one in a heartbeat. My wife was just talking to me about this the other night, while we were watching Dogs of War. Maybe I should look into getting one. I know it would probably make me a lot more at ease if I wasn't geared up all the time, wargaming in my head every time I go to the store or a mall or something...
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SGT Infantryman (Airborne)
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Et tu Sarge? I'm packing when I take out the garbage or checking the mail.
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SGT Steve Vincent
SGT Steve Vincent
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Lol SGT (Join to see), HK USP.45. Never leaves my side, except for those exceedingly rare occasions I find myself having to enter a "gun free" zone that also has a metal detector... And I have a custom case in my truck for an SBR. Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.
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SGT Infantryman (Airborne)
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Great minds think alike.
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SGM Senior Adviser, National Communications
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Absolutely. Anyone--any life form--who puts their life on the line, or who otherwise fights beside us should be recognized and accepted as a comrade veteran.
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CSM Michael Lynch
CSM Michael Lynch
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I agree SGM Coberly wholeheartedly. I have given some of our allies the same treatment with our company that our veterans receive (provided that can prove it was honorably).
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LTC Dr Richard Wasserman
LTC Dr Richard Wasserman
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Yes, They serve and put their lives on the line same as service people.
While I was in Iraq, we (12 officers) were kicked off a flight as the plane was diverted for a dog and it's handler.
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1SG Michael Blount
1SG Michael Blount
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Hell yah!  Oh, wait a minute, that's too  much like doing the right thing.
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SFC Istvan Nagy
SFC Istvan Nagy
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I agree with SGM Coberly 100%. In the past years I saw Military Dogs serve us on the battle field, where loyally followed and/or lead us into any situation to save many-many lives. They continue that selfless and loyal service off the Battle Field as Service Dogs and healer friends/companions. They should be recognized for their dedicated service.
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CDR Director, U.S. Navy Police
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A Working Dog Poem
GOD SUMMONED A BEAST FROM THE FIELD

And He said, Behold man, created in My image. Therefore, adore him.
You shall protect him in the wilderness, shepherd his flocks,
watch over his children, accompany him wherever he may go;
even unto civilization.

You shall be his companion, his ally, his slave. To do these things,
God said, I endow you with these instincts uncommon
to other beasts: faithfulness, devotion, and understanding,
surpassing those of man himself.

Lest it impair your courage, you shall never foresee your death.
Lest it impair your loyalty, you shall be blind to faults of man.
Lest it impair your understanding, you are denied the power of words.

Let no fault of language cleave an accord beyond that of man with
any other beast; or even man with man. Speak to your master only
with your mind and through your honest eyes.

Walk by his side; sleep in his doorway.
Forage for him; ward off his enemies; carry his burdens; share his afflictions;
love him and comfort him.

And in return for this, man will fulfill your needs and wants --
which shall be only food, shelter and affection.

So be silent, and be a friend to man. Guide him through the perils
along the way to the land that I have promised him.

This shall be your destiny and your immortality.

So spoke the Lord. And the dog heard and was content.

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COL Charles Williams
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Well, I was a Dog handler from the time I left MP OSUT in 1981 (via Lackland AFB) until I went to OCS in 1985. I would have loved to have kept my MWD (Dallas #P058), but someone else took him. He was very aggressive, very and I am not sure he would have worked well as a pet.

At that time, they were considered property book items, and stayed at the installation.

That said, I always was sad that when an MWD was no longer able to be certified, or no longer capable, they were put down.

There have been times when MWDs PCSd with the handler... It seems to change every few years.

I know the rules have changed through the years, but my Colonel - Commander side tells me that making these dogs (especially the ones like Dallas that were trained by the DOD to attack) pets in retirement creates liability issues for the DOD.

At the same time, I do think it is worth considering a process where these great MWDs can retire and live out their days with their handler.
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LCpl Douglas Jones
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if it breaths and bleeds it's not equipment, we pay the presidents the rest of there damn lives , at least the dogs earn theirs . ( if they get it )
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SGT Anthony Dequental
SGT Anthony Dequental
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Wow, this is a beautiful thing.
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
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I totally agree but unfortunately the law doesn't see dogs as anything more than property. Watch some tv court shows, it disgusts me, but that is the law.
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SPC Jamie Holmes
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I worked with my share of MWDs and firmly believe that they are fellow soldiers. They put our lives before their own and I've been known to say on more than one occasion that I'd rather have a dog as a partner over a human any day of the week. The only difference between human service members and K-9 ones is the fact that we chose to enlist, they were involuntarily enlisted. Yet they do their jobs fearlessly and without prejudice. They protect us and guide us and all they ask for in return is food, shelter, and a kind word from their human counterparts. Is it too much to ask for us to treat them with all the same reverence and respect we would a human retiree? I think not..
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SSG Global Service Manager
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Perhaps the next step is to get the large Veteran's organizations (Legion, VFW, etc...) to adopt resolutions recognizing MWD and also push to have Congress recognize MWD as veterans.
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SPC(P) Jay Heenan
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I am blessed to be able to work with these particular service members. They are fantastic and once I am out of the military, I am planning to adopt a MWD.
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SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS
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RallyPoint Team Absolutely, without a doubt. They are as much a team member as any other.

I have worked with military canine teams and civilian law enforcement canine teams too. Consequently, my view is, while working they obtain the same status as the handler. When retired they obtain the same status as another retired service member.
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SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS Abs-a-freakin-lutely...these devil dogs deserve medals as well IMO. They sacrifice themselves the same way we do and actually are probably a hell of lot more braver than most of us are.  
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SGT Infantryman (Airborne)
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I think that also SSG LoGiudice.
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MSG Kennel Master
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Well, first and foremost, I absolutely agree that MWDs should not be considered "property." However, I think this post is not clear on what the policy is regarding MWDs and what happens when they are retired. One thing....we never leave a dog behind.

When a disposition is conducted on an MWD, a board process is conducted to determine their eligibility for adoption. We, as handlers, do everything we possibly can to ensure the dog is able to be adopted out. Once they are declared excess and suitable for adoption, their last handler generally has first choice on whether to adopt them or not. This includes dogs that are stationed overseas. Next comes previous handlers and other handlers, then military members, then the general public.

You have to understand with the adoption process that most of these animals are trained in controlled aggression. Some cannot be adopted out due to their aggressive nature and that determination has to be made.

Overall, I wholeheartedly agree on the premise. I believe that the dogs should receive full veterinarian benefits from the military after retirement. Currently, they receive a small supply of any meds they are on and that's it.

We always look for the best home for these dogs. We give them retirement awards and do the best that we can as handlers. These dogs are our brothers and sisters, not our property.
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SGT Infantryman (Airborne)
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I so agree with this clarification SFC T.J.Caron has made. Thanks sarge and thank you for loving those dogs as much as most people do.
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