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Posted on Jul 19, 2018
SSG Gerhard S.
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CPT Bob Mason
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My active duty was July 1970 through March 1972 followed by active reserve until August 1985 when I was caught in Reagan 's RIF (I was in Command and General Staff school at the time instead of a TOE unit), so I experienced both the draft Army and the volunteer Army. I much prefer the volunteer Army. Having said that, I also witnessed draftees in my unit who bitched continually but did their duty.

Draft dodgers and draft resisters are two different animals. I did not think much of Mohammed Ali one way or the other when he was just a boxer, but he gained my admiration when he refused to serve and went to jail rather than run to Canada. He was a resister. Those who ran to Canada were dodgers for whom I had no sympathy.

After all of these decades, I would like to think that I harbor no bad feelings toward the dodgers, but a recent event makes me unsure. Since my retirement from my civilian career, I have been working in my wife's shop. a few weeks ago, a lady came into the shop. In the course of our talking, she relayed with great pride that she had been a war protester in the late 60's and early 70's. Although I did not respond, I reflected back on how I and others were treated during that time and felt real resentment toward her.
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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Thank you for sharing your thoughtful, and thought provoking comments and experience. I too respect Ali's principled approach. But for the record, though he was convicted, he had the money to keep appealing the decision until his conviction was overturned. He never actually did jail time.
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SSgt Warren Henthorn
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When I was drafted in 1967 it was mostly accepted as a person's duty in Okla. Was not crazy about it but tough.
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SPC Eldson McGhee
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The Draft was the law of the land, and obeying Draft was not hard for those of us who loved [loves] this Nation. We served, fought beside and died with volunteers, and we never had anyone question our induction route and love for this country. So your beliefs that draftees were not "Someone who has that special love of country, of service, and of unit that promotes an effective force" are based on ignorance and demeans a whole generation of great American patriots. We served with unity, honor, courage and confidence that our homeland would remain free because of our service. The draft evaders and/or those who supported them have the same rights I served to insure for you and those who demean our service. I normally don't take the time to respond to discussions like this, but today I am saluting my fellow Vietnam Veteran, Senator John McClain, and was visiting RP to see how the rest of this Nation's veterans are doing this. President Trump is assaulting the greatest Nation on earth, but greater is He that's in US than he that's in the world. He is seeking to divide and conquer US for the seek of Russia. Are we to be the United States of Russia in America? I was awarded the Purple Heart Medal for being wounded-in-action in the Vietnam War, and over 58000 of my peers were killed-in-action in that war standing against the spread of dictatorships. Yes, the politics of that day got US to where we are today. We won the ground war in Vietnam but lost the political war in Washington DC. Senator John McClain spent his whole life fighting for this Nation. In my eyes, he was the greatest American patriot of our times, and I am just appreciating him right now.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Thank you for your thoughtful comments. No disrespect intended to those who were drafted. My point was that I hold no disrespect for those who were forced to serve against their will, or to those who used legal deferments or medical exemptions, or even those who fled forced Servitude. Thank you for your service. I truly wish you hadn't gone all political in the end though it detracted from your great message. Respectful Regards.
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LCpl Rifleman
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No ill thoughts to those who dodged the draft, except those like Ted Nugent who acted so pro-war during the Bush Presidency.
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SGT Mike Moschkin
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You are fortunate today's wars have been of low intensity I know from my own experiences having fought in the last high intensity war (Vietnam) without the draft there wouldn't have been enough replacements. We deployed as a full strength TO&E company of 178 men which included the weapons platoon. After our first battle in which we took 55 WIAs and 2 KIAs we never got up to full strength again. The tree line platoons were less then 100 men one time we lost a full squad in my platoon so we stayed a two squad platoon for three weeks. Yes there a lot of volunteers back then but not enough to meet the needed replacement number draftees made up a third of them. I had volunteered RA for 4 years myself and I saw that there were difficulties meeting quotas in this all volunteer Army and thus lowered standards to meet the quotas. It wasn't just differment you omitted the bone spurs to boot !
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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Respectfully, I did mention the medical issue.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Thank you for your first hand response, and for your service.
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SPC John Tacetta
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Indeed, aside from Fallujah, many of the post Vietnam engagements would have been considered skirmishes during Vietnam.
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LTC John Griscom
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Didn't hear many complaints about Bill Clinton who got out his contract with the military and didn't serve. I consider his actions worst than Trump's.
I didn't respond to my draft notice in 1966 because when it came, I was a 1LT in Korea.
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SGT Mike Moschkin
SGT Mike Moschkin
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I guess you weren't around people that voiced their disdain for Clinton being a draft dodger also. I know I had issue with it and when he came to the Vietnam Memorial the Vietnam Vets turned their backs to him. I didn't out of respect for the position of commander and chief. The other guy who didn't turn his back did it for the same reason as I did.
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SFC Quinn Chastant
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In regards to the POTUS, how he may or may not of avoided service is now water well passed under the bridge. Previously many draft dodgers were given amnesty and how they bear with it is between them selves and any higher power they observe. The same feeling I just expressed applies for Mr. TRUMP. What happened in the past may have some bearing in how he responds today. But I am in no position to judge. Not having been of draft age then. And having served in the Army when Mr. William J. Clinton, another draft avoider served as POTUS.
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SPC Robert DeBuck
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73 Years old, Served 3 years US Army. "The War" really started after JFK's murder. After LBJ's coup, he escalated it. WHY? Brown & Root became a colossal corporation, and made the insiders a lot of money, a lot.
Pres. Eisenhower had warned about the MI Complex, and the grave danger it will, and does. represented.
Johnson has JFK murdered, in response we Americans see the attempt to dissolve the 2nd Amendment. And the effort to Socialize this country.
Ezra T Benson warned that we will come very close loosing the Constitution. That if it is preserved it will be with the loss of our own blood.

The one great HOPE I have is that the leaders of our Armed Forces, who have vowed and sworn to
defend, preserve, protect the Constitution of the these United States will do so.

Robert DeBuck
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SSG Craig Thompson
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No, the right to vote or hold public office should be restricted to veterans. If you are unwilling to put your life in jeopardy to defend this nation, why should you have any say in how its run?
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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Thank you for your comment. I recall Heinlein using that measure for voters in Starship Troopers. But he also said this.
"When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you're using force. And force, my friends, is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived."
One might ask a few questions.

First; might restricting the vote to such a narrow band of the militarily indoctrinated lead to an equally narrow field of concerns and issues?
Second; of it's ones aim by implementing such a policy to encourage military service, by requiring such to vote, aren't we really seeking a militaristic society, ruled by the military? A monetarily dependent entity, known to be grossly inefficient, and wasteful?

Lastly; doesn't such a requirement, by definition exclude the disabled, and even the mildly handicapped from having ANY say in our direction or governance?
Just some thoughts, and questions to apply to your answer.
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LTC Kim Peterson
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The draft dodgers who used their wealth and connections to avoid the draft are worse than the individuals who fled to Canada. Especially the draft dodgers who now cloak themselves in the flag and act like patriots....
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SPC Andrew Ross
SPC Andrew Ross
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Are we referring to anyone in particular, LTC Kim Peterson?
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