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Posted on Jul 19, 2018
SSG Gerhard S.
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PO1 John Johnson
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A great, thought provoking post. Nice to see a respectable, well thought out post, with a bare minimum of name-calling or vehement commenting in response.

That being said, and as I have said before, I would like to point out a few of the things I saw after I enlisted in the USCG in July 79. I made 3rd Class PO in Sep 81. Imagine my surprise when I found out I had 35-40yr old E-2's and 3's working for me (I was barely 20 at that point). Most of these guys had enlisted in the USCG to escape being drafted into the Army or Marines. Some of them (not all) couldn't give 2 craps about uniforms, military bearing, saluting, standing watch, etc. Drug use was rampant off duty, on duty, standing watch, even when underway. All some of them cared about was they didn't go to Vietnam and that was it. It took Pres. Reagan's RIF Program in the early 80's to sort them out and get them out of the military. Once the deadwood were gone, Military Bearing and Professionalism went through the roof, at least in the USCG.

As someone who has seen the end results of a draft coupled with an unpopular war, I cannot whole heartedly support a "required National Service" to include a Military commitment from today's youth. I do realize that in times of "war", it maybe necessary (a draft) but it tends to create more of a problem than it tries to solve. JMHO.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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I served with a guy in my Long Range Surveillance unit who joined the CG during Vietnam... He told us the joke was on him when he found himself on a river patrol boat in Vietnam.... He went on to become A Ranger, and SF
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LCDR Retired
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After a few decades, I believe it is a mute argument. To quote Hillary (ugh), "At this point, what difference does it make?"
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GySgt William Hardy
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It does make a difference if these same people are running for public office. It speaks to their character.
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Well said Gunny.
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SPC John Tacetta
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Or as George Bush said: "I think we can all agree that the past is over." God, I love that one!
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SSG Roger Ayscue
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SPC John Tacetta - Or as he once said "Ummm, you know how I am not good with...Uhhhhh, Words"
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I have enough problems worrying about my own conscience. It’s not my job to dictate another man’s morality.
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No one is "dictating" the morality of others in this discussion. However, we are showing approval or disapproval.
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And that's your interpretation of the sergeant's editorial. Entering the military in 1969, at the apex of the anti-war movement in the United States and in other places around the globe, I witnessed a highly active and vitriolic physical and verbal display of condemnation for those who burned their draft cards or who fled to some British Commonwealth country. I also saw the very visceral support of those same persons by the shaggy-dressed, long-haired protesters of the day. In every case, people on both sides of the main argument sure sounded a Hell of a lot like they were "dictating" their political, moral, or ethical positions onto those boys and young men who, because of the Draft, were faced with one mighty big decision as to which 'fork in the road' their lives would take.

Call it what you will, but the federal government, the Media, social networks on the Internet, religious sorts from every faith, and the public, in general, are still "dictating" their take on every issue facing the world today.

For example, take public education and Critical Race Theory; LGBTQ+; Trans persons, sports, and bathrooms; Immigration and the Southern Border Wall; Congressional GOP v. Dems; et al.

Again, call it what you will. I call it dictating and I'm done 'splaining.
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MAJ Joseph Horning
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I disagree with the author's arguments. I was drafted and served after my educational deferments ended upon graduation in 1968.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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SPC John Tacetta the Draft is compulsory conscription.
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SPC John Tacetta
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SSG Gerhard S. - Hmm. OED online says the following.
"Compulsory:
1Required by law or a rule; obligatory.
‘compulsory military service’
example sentences
‘it was compulsory to attend mass’
‘Military service is still compulsory in Russia and men aged 18 serve two years.’
‘All he had to look forward to in this country was death, a prison camp or compulsory military service.’
‘The completion of a training programme is now one of the compulsory requirements of the scheme.’"

I'd say that Compulsory Conscription describes a system in which all eligible candidates must complete a term of service (e.g,, Israel), but seeing as you appear to be one prone to infinitely split hairs kindly permit me to remove the hair and rephrase my statement. The US has never had universal, compulsory conscription. That is, unlike some other countries, the US has never required that ALL members of the Militia (remember 10 USC Section 246) complete a term of service.
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SMSgt Bob W.
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PO2 Mike Keyes - Did I miss something? What does WWII have to do with Viet Nam Draft Dodgers?
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PO2 Mike Keyes
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SMSgt Bob W. - It was in response to Major Horning's comment " If you're worried about getting hurt, maimed or killed, join a branch such as the USAF, USN, USCG where you most likely be in harm's way." I'm pretty sure, given the context, that he meant to say 'likely won't be...'.
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SGT David T.
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I actually agree with you on every point. I would even go so far as to include stop loss in this.
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LTC Trent Klug
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It's interesting how political viewpoints about deferments change with presidential elections. Deferments were/are okay when your political candidate used them, but it's 'draft dodging' when the other guy used them.

Quite a lot of men used deferments during Vietnam. Most of them didn't go into politics and no one chides them publicly.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Thank you for reading, and taking the time to comment. You've made an excellent point. It seems, for the politically-minded, the outrage is often selective.
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SP5 Larry Boggs
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This is the photo of the the photo of that statute I like The arm on the back says it all
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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~ Here's A Little Something For Our Civilian Counter-Parts ~
They Have NO IDEA How Great It Feels To Have Served.
And Be A VET
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SP5 Larry Boggs
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney I agree although it took me awhile to get to that understanding I am very proud to have served my country and gone to Vietnam I wasn’t a hero but I also did run and hide from my obligation as a citizen I took my chance and I survived
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SP5 Larry Boggs
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SP5 Larry Boggs correction: “did NOT run and hid”
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SGT Lorenzo Nieto
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This is why this country has people like the ones that did go to support this country, as for the people that ran away they will have to live with them self and should be more than grateful that someone gave their life for them so they could run and hide.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Thank you for your service, and for weighing in on this issue. Sadly, regarding Vietnam, far too many gave their lives, futures, and health for a war that was abandoned by weak-kneed politicians. Even more tragically, S Vietnam, despite all our lives, and treasure lost, ended up in the brutal hands of the Communist North.
Perhaps things would be more palatable, if we set out to accomplish something, and then actually follow through, and DO IT! At least, then one might have a sense that all those lost lives, futures, and health were risked, and lost for a purpose.
Respectful regards.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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SSG Gerhard S. -
Some Of The BEST DECISIONS Have Been Made
AFTER The Events.....
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MSgt Allen Chandler
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I believe the last person drafted was 1972, so that would make the last draft dodger, a young man in 1972. Here’s some news, that was over 50 years ago. I was not happy with draft dodgers at the time. I think draft dodgers need to carry that stain on the record all their lives just like other criminals. But 50 years is 50 years and it’s long past the time to forget about it. Not forgive, but to forget about it. There must be some sort of statue limitations on how long you hold a grudge.
There have been politicians that I have supported who did not serve, and they’re also been some politicians who serve that I did not support. I patronize businesses without knowing if their CEO served or not.
This question is 50 years old. In my humble opinion, get over.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Thank you for serving, and for weighing in on this issue.
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GySgt Jack Wallace
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My brother was sent to Nam right out of boot camp even when everyone was pulling out. For me , I was just to young and miss Nam. As for the yellow-belly draft dodgers and pot smoking hippies, hope you vomit ever time you brush ur teeth or comb ur hair while looking into a mirror. And no I don't hold any grudges.
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GySgt Jack Wallace
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney - You know A1C Rick , most of your postings are funny and I just laugh. But, this time I think you and I are on the same page brother.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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GySgt Jack Wallace -
I love Laughter, But When Some SOB Pizzes Me OFF,
I Go After Their Jugular. ~ I'm Not A Dove Or Much Of A Peaceful Man
When Certain Things Are Said Or Done ~ "Give Your SOUL To GOD, Because
URANUS Is MINE".
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GySgt Jack Wallace
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney - In the case, I'am with you.A1C Rick....
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