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Posted on Nov 3, 2017
MAJ Montgomery Granger
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PO3 Phyllis Maynard
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Legally, the matter has reached closure. So many individuals, so much pain, I hope healing comes.
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PO3 Phyllis Maynard
PO3 Phyllis Maynard
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Capt Gregory Prickett - thank GOD I did not step in your trend. Block me or tell me how to block you.
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CWO2 James Mathews
CWO2 James Mathews
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PO3 Phyllis Maynard -- You are very fortunate my dear! Had you shown such poor judgment and disrespect to a senior officer, while under my supervision, you would have spent a great deal of your time cleaning out the lower torpedo tube refuse tank! After which a severe talking to about your responsibilities and duties as a Petty Officer. added to at least eight hours of watch instruction in an area unassociated with your normal watch routine, in addition, of course, to your regular watches. All this would have given you time to review your responsibilities as a PO, as well as the words of your service Oath! Your views as a woman seem to take the old path, " my way or the highway," and while you may feel your way is always best, the rest of the world, with whom you must live, will not always agree!
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PO3 Phyllis Maynard
PO3 Phyllis Maynard
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CWO2 James Mathews what disrespect are you talking about. I'm looking at my 2 sentences and I don't see what you are talking about. But never mind you are officially on 32
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MSgt Neil Greenfield
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I don't think the precedent was set here. This isn't really anything new. Some of you may have forgotten, or do not know, about 1LT William Calley, of the Vietnam War era, and specifically My Lai. He served 3 years under house arrest and was finally released after being dishonorably discharged. From Wikipedia:
"William Laws Calley Jr. (born June 8, 1943) is a former United States Army officer convicted by court-martial of murdering 22 unarmed South Vietnamese civilians in the My Lai Massacre on March 16, 1968, during the Vietnam War. While not technically exonerated, after three and a half years of house arrest, Calley was released after a ruling by federal judge J. Robert Elliott who found that Calley's trial had been prejudiced by pre-trial publicity, denial of subpoenas of certain defense witnesses, refusal of the United States House of Representatives to release testimony taken in executive session of its My Lai investigation, and inadequate notice of the charges. His initial conviction faced widespread public opposition both due to the campaign circumstances of civilian embedded Viet Cong, and due to Calley being singled out as the sole officer convicted in relation to the massacre."
Read the rest here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Calley
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SSG Edward Tilton
SSG Edward Tilton
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PO3 John Jeter - In Calleys case an entire village of innocent civilians was slaughtered by the troops under his command. Afghanistan is a controversial conflict. The troops in Niger Knew what the signed up for but apparently those who attempted to rescue Bergdahl did not. I can't see any precedents coming out of his case.The worst precedent I've seen is DOD paying for little miss Mannings operation. They have obligated us to pay for everyone who wants one.
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PO3 John Jeter
PO3 John Jeter
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SSG Edward Tilton - Actually, denial of gender reassignment procedures is just about the only thing the judges did not throw out when they gutted the trans gender directive.
I still maintain that the My Lai incident was a case of the Army doing a major job of CYA whereas Bergdahl is being excused from personal responsibility for a base betrayal of his obligation as a soldier for reasons not yet explained in full. What I do see is that the Army will be fighting disciplinary challenges based on this sentence for many years to come. Why should any soldier be required to suffer a punishment of a greater degree for a lesser offense? Disobedience of a lawful order, insubordination, AWOL, and many other offenses will have to face the defense challenge that as lesser offenses, the Army is not justified in imposing anything more severe than a Dishonorable discharge and a monetary fine. Since the 60's I believe, a Dishonorable Discharge triggers an automatic appeal where it can be upgraded to a discharge without the dishonorable label and stigma.
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SSG Edward Tilton
SSG Edward Tilton
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PO3 John Jeter - I still remember MAJOR COLIN POWELL, the PIO for the Americal Division, on television telling the world nothing had happened. As usual Captain Medina and everyone under him were thrown under the bus BUT, there were still a lot of dead bodies. The enlistment contract needs to reflect that sexual reassignment is not an option during the term of the contract
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COL Jon Lopey
COL Jon Lopey
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MSG Greenfield: Interesting commentary on Lt. Calley. I was a Viet Nam Era Marine but served in the Philippines and did not go to Viet Nam; however, I went to OCS at Fort Benning in 1980 and a Major on a range we were training on told us Calley was in his OCS class. According to him, Calley finished near the bottom of the class and during different times probably would not have graduated from OCS. Unfortunately, he not only failed as a leader but his NCOs failed to stop him and it was apparent there were leaders in the chain-of-command who did not intervene or hold those responsible for the tragic incident. He issued an unlawful and immoral order and there was no excuse for the order. I realize his unit was being harassed by a cruel and unrelenting enemy and they may have been supported by some villagers but his actions were unconscionable and led to more damage to the war effort and more ill repute to the Army than just about anything that occurred during the war. You can sympathize with all Viet Nam veterans because they had to fight a very tough and unrelenting war under nearly impossible conditions; however, well over 60% of fighting men and women during that war were volunteers and the vast majority served honorably and bravely (we never lost a major battle) and 97 to 98% received Honorable discharges. It is interesting that a helicopter crew stopped the massacre, which illustrates the point that most of our service members were good fighters and morally-grounded, professional warriors that attempted to do the right thing in Viet Nam. We have learned the lesson many times about not being honest about such incidents. War is hell but it is made worse when we allow negative things like the My Lai massacre to happen and then attempt to justify it by various rationalizations that do not hold water. Our fighting men and women did not fail us in Viet Nam but the media and certainly some of our political and military leaders did. President Johnson was difficult to work with and he often berated and often times refused to listen to his senior military leaders. McNamara also failed us by trying to run the military like a business and he certainly screwed things up by applying his "MacNamara's 100,000" experiment when he made the services take too many recruits with substandard aptitude scores among other things. Again, thanks for the commentary and great points....Jon
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SSgt Donald Libby
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Thank you Major for that excellent response.
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
MAJ Montgomery Granger
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Hooah!
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I was not the judge and would not have wanted to serve as the one for this case.

Unless you have heard all of the testimony that the judge heard it is unfair to say if he did or did not do the right thing.

Yes, I disagree with the outcome, but, that is based on very limited information of what happened at the court marshal and I am willing to think the judge acted fairly.
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PO3 John Jeter
PO3 John Jeter
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With respect I must disagree. 5 years back pay (lump sum), and an arguable "slap on the wrist" punishment for desertion in enemy territory? I cannot conceive of any combination of circumstances that would justify this decision. If I recall correctly, Bergdahl has been on post arrest rather than being confined, So he has served no time in 'jail' at all. For the next decade, anyone convicted under UCMJ for anything less than desertion will argue that they shouldn't receive prison time either.
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PO3 John Jeter - Well, that is no change. The defense has, and will always argue for no prison time.

Again, why did a general and the judge (colonel) decide the way they did? I certainly don't know. But, I believe they both reached that decision based on the items that were presented to them.

My vote would be for firing squad. But, if I was the judge, my vote would be based (to the best of my ability) on the evidence presented to me by the defense and prosecution. That is the task the judge was faced with. Emotion can not be part of the judgement.
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PO3 John Jeter
PO3 John Jeter
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Much as I hate to say it, the specter of politics comes to mind. I've seen people get 15 years for far less of an offense than this. Like you, my initial knee jerk would have been execution, but the 14 years recommended would have been a plausible alternative. If it was in my power, I would require that General and Colonel to meet with the victims and families of those wounded in public, and explain why their suffering was not worth punishing the accused with more than putative slap on the wrist and a boot out the door.
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1SG Ed Hewitt
1SG Ed Hewitt
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Sir, politics have played a large role, in this whole ordeal we have witnessed, since that worthless POC walked away from his post in 2009... We are in another undeclared war because we have no leaders with backbones in Washington DC. We witnessed the Obama administration, with all their liberal progressive policies do their best to destroy our country... We wonder why our military is in the state it is in!!!! It does not surprise me the Judge making this disrespectful(to our military heritage) decision.... The fact is Good and honorable soldiers who hunted for this dirtbag were injured and killed and all those lives will never be the same. I believe we will find out more of his dishonor in the future...
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LCpl Michael Cappello
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Pardon my language, I am going to speak plainly here. Our Traitor and Muslim in Chief put his finger on the scales. Period. Bergdahl should have had the book thrown at him. Should be doing serious time at the Red Line Brig. Obama should be sharing a cell with him.
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SSG Intelligence Analyst
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As a former bailiff on his trial I can say that he did not for one minute regret the choices he made and have any empathy to the families he destroyed. It was a complete slap in the face to all who put on a military uniform and serve with honor.
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CPL Logan Cox
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Sad day when he gets to just walk
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1stSgt Edward Jackson
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During WWII, desertion in the face of the enemy could get you facing a firing squad. Just 1 service member, Pvt Eddie Slovik, got that faith, and he deserved it. There were 48 others sentenced to death, but their sentences were commuted.

During the Revolutionary War, even General Washington ordered deserters shot by firing squad and he ordered that it be done in front of other troops.

Bergdahl got off with little more than a slap on the wrist. I feel Obama interfered with the Bergdahl case and not only influenced, but actually ordered the sentence.
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CWO2 James Mathews
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The information surrounding this action has been so varied, and so carefully trimmed and colored by the current press arguments for political advantage, that it would be difficult to render any specific concern. However, were I to rely on the testament of the man's own platoon and company Officer's, NCO's, and comrades, (which I am bound to do, since I believe they would not lie), I would have to say that in other similar cases the punishment would have been much more severe. In an earlier time, such actions with such feeble excuses for those actions would have resulted in much less hoopla and a more military conclusion. I would have to agree that whatever military officer was in charge of the trial, as well as those mandating a punishment have caved-in to political considerations, which to my mind is totally wrong!
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
MAJ Montgomery Granger
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I concur.
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COL Jon Lopey
COL Jon Lopey
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Chief: Some compelling arguments and some justified comments. I think the military in many instances (and our political system) have been lenient in the past when it came to deserters or collaborators (e.g., Korean War collaborators who were brainwashed into submission, Viet Nam Era deserters who received amnesty under President Nixon, and during Korea, there were around 28 deserters who chose to stay in Korea after the armistice was signed in 1953. I believe three were allied and 25 or so were Americans. Eventually, nearly all if not all returned to the U.S. I am sure there are some factors we may be unaware of in Bergdahl's case but he has to live with what he did and at least now we can move on as an Army. Thanks once again for your excellent commentary and thanks for your service to our great nation. Jon
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CWO2 James Mathews
CWO2 James Mathews
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Col. John Lopey; Sir, my thanks for your comments on the deserters during the Korean and Vietnam Eras. Most of those I was aware of. As a personal view, I am not sure just what these men who were brainwashed went through, and I have also held my views on those unfortunates to myself. I am also aware since I was not deeply involved in all the aspects of Bergdahl's case, I do not fully realize all the factors involved with him. However, I do know about the troops who died searching for him, and I have a distinct feeling for those men who were their comrades, as well as the families left without husband and father because of his self-developed reasoning to abandon his Oath of service, put his comrades in danger, and leave to seak out some sort of personal satisfaction with his sworn enemies, together with his inability to get along with his comrades. To me that is the real crime, as far as Berdahl himself, I could care less. He is definately off my list for any kind of personal, military, or civilian contact. My thanks for your very kind words, and in return my most sincere thanks for your service to the flag and country of our birth!
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SGT Rick Myers
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He should’ve been hung!!!
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