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Posted on Nov 3, 2017
MAJ Montgomery Granger
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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
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This sends a negative message.
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Cpl Scott McCarroll
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This is from Article 85 from the Manual for Court Marshall
c) Any person found guilty of desertion or attempt to desert shall be punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct, but if the desertion or attempt to desert occurs at any o t h e r t i m e , b y s u c h p u n i s h m e n t , o t h e r t h a n death, as a court-martial may direct.
This is why he plead guilty I think had he not that an investigation would have shown that he gave aid to the enemy, how else do you explain that he seems from most accounts I have read to have been in pretty good shape. And with things I am seeing on the net about O'Bama, well I'll leave that rant for another day
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COL Jon Lopey
COL Jon Lopey
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Scott: I suspected that suspicion as well. I believe, based on my experience in OEF and OIF, that he would have executed by a slow and torturous death had he not cooperated at least to some degree with his captors. I think it is also possible and likely he collaborated with the enemy to survive so long and that was probably his intention all along. I don't want to be judgmental but I have to support your theory because that is where the evidence exists. Thanks for the excellent commentary and thank you for your service as a Marine - Semper Fi...! Jon
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Cpl Scott McCarroll
Cpl Scott McCarroll
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COL Jon Lopey Thank You Sir. I tend to be long winded when something seems to defiy logic. And I know I mentioned this with my rant above. Just how did Obama know that he was available for a prisoner swap. That whole thing screams of collusion. But that is just my opinion. Hey you know that witch known as Hillary wasn't she in some way involved in the swap?
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COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM
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We are living in sad times when some Americans consider military heroes to be people like Chelsea Manning and Bowe Bergdahl. The former was tried, convicted, and sentenced to 35 years which was commuted to 7 years by President Obama. Manning then goes out to receive an honorary position from an Ivy League School and protests outside the White House regarding President Trump's LBGT decision. The latter was tried, convicted, and sentenced to time served, reduction in rank, forfeiture of pay, and a dishonorable discharge. Both should be in prison today at a minimum, let alone being celebrated by some Americans as heroes.
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CWO2 James Mathews
CWO2 James Mathews
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I am also late to this discussion, and I feel the same as you gentlemen about Bergdahl. As far as I am concerned he is a "nothing." His final penalty, thanks to a President who was looking for approval from his adherents and cared nothing for this nation or its values is past and "water under the bridge." Howver, the precedents will come back to haunt us in later years, just as that President had planned. In regard to the IVy League Awards, and the protests outside the White House, considering the quality of those who participated and approved of those demonstrations, in my view, I have dismissed them from my personal interest. They are, in my estimation, far beneath my level of consideration or recognition! These are the Americans who have been totally hoodwinked by the opposition, and have lost the ability to see clearly what is happening to our country!
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COL Jon Lopey
COL Jon Lopey
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COL Smallfield, SGT Hallock, & CWO2 Mathews: You are absolutely right. These Soldiers deserved harsher penalties but we know these cases were politicalized by the last administration for the most part and the decisions made overally were damaging to good order and discipline. I had a TS clearance the last 16 years as an officer and it is absolutely unheard of and so far afield for any Soldier would compromise our national security like Manning did and it is obvious that Manning and Bergdahl, once held up as a stellar Soldiers, were traitors and their actions were perpetrated with malice aforethought. I know when I served in OEF and OIF, I also think the system failed because top secret information was closely monitored and controlled when I was overseas. Even during the Viet Nam Era, I was once a classified document custodian and all classified documents had to be logged in and destroyed by burning (especially secret and above). I think we have moved beyond these incidents and the current administration is much tougher, more supportive, and more cognizant of how these types of cases (and behaviors) impact our readiness, morale, and combat effectiveness. Manning and Bergdahl are very, very troubled young adults and they will reside in a "living hell" the rest of their lives. I would hate to live with the reality that I failed my nation, my fellow Soldiers, and it is likely both of these troubled souls, in their moral and ethical failures as people and Soldiers, weakened our combat readiness. Their selfish acts led to the loss of lives and their actions hurt the image and impugned the courage, commitment, and honor of what is probably the greatest Army and military we have ever had. Our service members perform with bravery, efficiency, and utmost competence. Our men and women deserve much better than these Soldiers represented to our nation and the world. Manning and Berghahl's failures and wanton and deliberate indifference to their oaths and obligations to the nation that protects them will not serve to appreciably denigrate the overall performance and incredible accomplishments of our men and women in uniform and civilian contractors who have served during what has become one of our longest wars. We cannot ignore, however, that both caused irreparable harm to our nation to some degree and while they did not get the penalties they deserve, we can now move on, accomplish the next mission, and protect and take care of the vast majority of fighting men and women worthy of our support - Now and in the future. Thanks, Jon
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PO3 Phyllis Maynard
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Legally, the matter has reached closure. So many individuals, so much pain, I hope healing comes.
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Capt Gregory Prickett
Capt Gregory Prickett
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It has not reached closure. It won't be a final conviction until it has been reviewed by the convening authority, and if the dishonorable discharge remains after that, then there is an automatic appeal to the Army Court of Criminal Appeals. After that, he can request that both the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces, and then the U.S. Supreme Court review the case. Only then will it be a final conviction.
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PO3 Phyllis Maynard
PO3 Phyllis Maynard
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Capt Gregory Prickett - thank GOD I did not step in your trend. Block me or tell me how to block you.
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CWO2 James Mathews
CWO2 James Mathews
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PO3 Phyllis Maynard -- You are very fortunate my dear! Had you shown such poor judgment and disrespect to a senior officer, while under my supervision, you would have spent a great deal of your time cleaning out the lower torpedo tube refuse tank! After which a severe talking to about your responsibilities and duties as a Petty Officer. added to at least eight hours of watch instruction in an area unassociated with your normal watch routine, in addition, of course, to your regular watches. All this would have given you time to review your responsibilities as a PO, as well as the words of your service Oath! Your views as a woman seem to take the old path, " my way or the highway," and while you may feel your way is always best, the rest of the world, with whom you must live, will not always agree!
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PO3 Phyllis Maynard
PO3 Phyllis Maynard
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CWO2 James Mathews what disrespect are you talking about. I'm looking at my 2 sentences and I don't see what you are talking about. But never mind you are officially on 32
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MSgt Neil Greenfield
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I don't think the precedent was set here. This isn't really anything new. Some of you may have forgotten, or do not know, about 1LT William Calley, of the Vietnam War era, and specifically My Lai. He served 3 years under house arrest and was finally released after being dishonorably discharged. From Wikipedia:
"William Laws Calley Jr. (born June 8, 1943) is a former United States Army officer convicted by court-martial of murdering 22 unarmed South Vietnamese civilians in the My Lai Massacre on March 16, 1968, during the Vietnam War. While not technically exonerated, after three and a half years of house arrest, Calley was released after a ruling by federal judge J. Robert Elliott who found that Calley's trial had been prejudiced by pre-trial publicity, denial of subpoenas of certain defense witnesses, refusal of the United States House of Representatives to release testimony taken in executive session of its My Lai investigation, and inadequate notice of the charges. His initial conviction faced widespread public opposition both due to the campaign circumstances of civilian embedded Viet Cong, and due to Calley being singled out as the sole officer convicted in relation to the massacre."
Read the rest here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Calley
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SSG Edward Tilton
SSG Edward Tilton
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PO3 John Jeter - In Calleys case an entire village of innocent civilians was slaughtered by the troops under his command. Afghanistan is a controversial conflict. The troops in Niger Knew what the signed up for but apparently those who attempted to rescue Bergdahl did not. I can't see any precedents coming out of his case.The worst precedent I've seen is DOD paying for little miss Mannings operation. They have obligated us to pay for everyone who wants one.
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PO3 John Jeter
PO3 John Jeter
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SSG Edward Tilton - Actually, denial of gender reassignment procedures is just about the only thing the judges did not throw out when they gutted the trans gender directive.
I still maintain that the My Lai incident was a case of the Army doing a major job of CYA whereas Bergdahl is being excused from personal responsibility for a base betrayal of his obligation as a soldier for reasons not yet explained in full. What I do see is that the Army will be fighting disciplinary challenges based on this sentence for many years to come. Why should any soldier be required to suffer a punishment of a greater degree for a lesser offense? Disobedience of a lawful order, insubordination, AWOL, and many other offenses will have to face the defense challenge that as lesser offenses, the Army is not justified in imposing anything more severe than a Dishonorable discharge and a monetary fine. Since the 60's I believe, a Dishonorable Discharge triggers an automatic appeal where it can be upgraded to a discharge without the dishonorable label and stigma.
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SSG Edward Tilton
SSG Edward Tilton
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PO3 John Jeter - I still remember MAJOR COLIN POWELL, the PIO for the Americal Division, on television telling the world nothing had happened. As usual Captain Medina and everyone under him were thrown under the bus BUT, there were still a lot of dead bodies. The enlistment contract needs to reflect that sexual reassignment is not an option during the term of the contract
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COL Jon Lopey
COL Jon Lopey
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MSG Greenfield: Interesting commentary on Lt. Calley. I was a Viet Nam Era Marine but served in the Philippines and did not go to Viet Nam; however, I went to OCS at Fort Benning in 1980 and a Major on a range we were training on told us Calley was in his OCS class. According to him, Calley finished near the bottom of the class and during different times probably would not have graduated from OCS. Unfortunately, he not only failed as a leader but his NCOs failed to stop him and it was apparent there were leaders in the chain-of-command who did not intervene or hold those responsible for the tragic incident. He issued an unlawful and immoral order and there was no excuse for the order. I realize his unit was being harassed by a cruel and unrelenting enemy and they may have been supported by some villagers but his actions were unconscionable and led to more damage to the war effort and more ill repute to the Army than just about anything that occurred during the war. You can sympathize with all Viet Nam veterans because they had to fight a very tough and unrelenting war under nearly impossible conditions; however, well over 60% of fighting men and women during that war were volunteers and the vast majority served honorably and bravely (we never lost a major battle) and 97 to 98% received Honorable discharges. It is interesting that a helicopter crew stopped the massacre, which illustrates the point that most of our service members were good fighters and morally-grounded, professional warriors that attempted to do the right thing in Viet Nam. We have learned the lesson many times about not being honest about such incidents. War is hell but it is made worse when we allow negative things like the My Lai massacre to happen and then attempt to justify it by various rationalizations that do not hold water. Our fighting men and women did not fail us in Viet Nam but the media and certainly some of our political and military leaders did. President Johnson was difficult to work with and he often berated and often times refused to listen to his senior military leaders. McNamara also failed us by trying to run the military like a business and he certainly screwed things up by applying his "MacNamara's 100,000" experiment when he made the services take too many recruits with substandard aptitude scores among other things. Again, thanks for the commentary and great points....Jon
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SSgt Donald Libby
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Thank you Major for that excellent response.
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
MAJ Montgomery Granger
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Hooah!
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LCpl Michael Cappello
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Pardon my language, I am going to speak plainly here. Our Traitor and Muslim in Chief put his finger on the scales. Period. Bergdahl should have had the book thrown at him. Should be doing serious time at the Red Line Brig. Obama should be sharing a cell with him.
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As a former bailiff on his trial I can say that he did not for one minute regret the choices he made and have any empathy to the families he destroyed. It was a complete slap in the face to all who put on a military uniform and serve with honor.
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CPL Logan Cox
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Sad day when he gets to just walk
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1stSgt Edward Jackson
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During WWII, desertion in the face of the enemy could get you facing a firing squad. Just 1 service member, Pvt Eddie Slovik, got that faith, and he deserved it. There were 48 others sentenced to death, but their sentences were commuted.

During the Revolutionary War, even General Washington ordered deserters shot by firing squad and he ordered that it be done in front of other troops.

Bergdahl got off with little more than a slap on the wrist. I feel Obama interfered with the Bergdahl case and not only influenced, but actually ordered the sentence.
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