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Posted on Mar 1, 2017
PO2 Gerry Tandberg
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Jenn Moynihan
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Capt (Join to see) (Council Bluffs, IA) Correct in the non-military PTSD. But it definitely can play a major roll in the severity of combat PTSD.

There are many evidence-based studies on combat-related PTSD. One of the main pre-military factors is childhood trauma & the PTSD related to the trauma. (Side note: studies are also showing there may be a correlation between ADD/ADHD & PTSD).

Fast forward to your combat experience the past (excuse the wording) "explodes" along with the "undetonated" (possibly buried &/or unrecognized) childhood trauma. Which then ads "insult to injury" to the combat experience.

Childhood trauma has a wide definition and, as with all things each of us experiences - separately or together - is subjective.

May you all find some peace and rest with the inner battles.

Jenn
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Capt Retired
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Glad you recognized that it is not only combat that causes post traumatic stress. Nor is it just a military thing.
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CPL Crystal Pettway, MBA
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This is interesting, as I am going through some studies about this as we speak. Thanks for sharing. I will take with me what I learn from others on RP and keep it close to me.
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Jenn Moynihan
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PO2 Gerry Tandberg Thank you for this great post & sharing your wife's story. That is just about more than anyone should go through. Losing a child just seems to go against all that is natural.

MSG (Join to see) May you continue to plow through the difficult days and may the good outweigh the tough ones. Looks like that furry friend helps!

SFC (Join to see) "debriefing", or the lack of, is exactly what my group (Social Work Master's) and I are working on for our Research Topic.

One woman's husband is a 1SG and currently active duty, with an upcoming 6th deployment. The other group members - a "military kid" now an adult and whose sister is having difficulty transitioning; the other woman's brother-in-law has PTSD and is having difficulties putting the bottle down.

COL Mikel J. Burroughs et. al.,

PTSD, traumatic brain injury - with substance abuse (or even unchecked prescription interactions) is a hell of a combination to fight.

The Yellow Ribbon Reintegration Program was initially started to help National Guard & Reservists reintegrate... it started in 2005 and into thousand 13 I believe it was it was taken over by the DoD. I I don't know what they're doing now. I do know that there still are yellow ribbon events conferences 30, 60, and 90 days post-mob. In the Boston area I have seen multiple support organizations such as acupuncture and yoga, financial, mental health, the Home Base Program etc.

Sounds like these events don't happen as often as they should.

A few years ago a documentary came out called "the welcome" - it Took place at a PTSD retreat in Oregon. They were veterans from Vietnam on up maybe even been a few Korean vets (I don't remember). It was a creative retreat and at the end they all did something; wrote a song, performed a skit, wrote a letter, etc. There is a trailer on their web page, & may be a link to the full movie.
http://www.thewelcomethemovie.com

I encourage you all to reach out to each other, or to those of us who get it.

I will leave you with this story: sergeant Joe G. had been hit by an IED. He came into the USO lounge at Logan on his way to the Hanscom WTU. He was using a cane, had hearing aids, and dark glasses. He may have been early 30's, if that. He and I were talking and he, with a lot of faith in his God who he calls Jesus, he said this "those of us who came back, need to find our reason why we came back..." this young man obviously had a lot of faith.

A few months later I had a 6 foot 5" strapping 50 something-year-old Master Sergeant (Ret) come in on his way back to Arizona. It was slow so he and I were having a very nice quiet conversation. He was showing me pictures of him in Afghanistan in full battle-rattle and he became quiet and had to stop talking...he let a few tears flow "why did I come back? Those younger guys didn't have to die...." and apologized. I said "no apologies needed..." and then I told him what Sergeant Joe G. has said to me a few months prior. I then suggested "perhaps your reason for coming back it's to help the younger guys who did come back ... you've been there and back again. They need you to be here, stateside, to help them move through the nightmares and memories"

I know you are all out there for each other and there are a number of us out amongst the civilian "drones" who get it and are here to listen.

Jenn
I have to get back to studying so I can't go through spellcheck so please excuse any typos or verbal typos.
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PO2 Gerry Tandberg
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I would like to thank everyone for encouraging each other. I pray my perspective has been helpful. The Vet Camps are indeed a good tool in helping Vets with PTSI. Those of us who came aboard as camp staff have seen the Vets themselves pickup the ball and have taken over for staff members. It didn't happen overnight, and there were many times we wondered if we are helping at all. The answer is a resounding yes.
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MSG Floyd Williams
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What I have learned about PTSD, it will keep you in a defensive mode in all situations personally and professionally.
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CW4 Angel C.
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Good read. Injury seems fitting! I like the saying "not all wounds are visible".
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SP5 Robert Ruck
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This is a tremendously insightful analysis of PTS. As a Veteran in his late sixties I have many friends I grew up and whom I worked with who spent time in combat in Vietnam. Most were wounded, some seriously. All have coped with the horrific effects of Agent Orange. Two were in so much pain from A.O. they could no longer endure it and committed suicide. I think the government through the VA has let these Veterans down for the most part. Failing to confront this illness when the Veterans returned home left many of them and their families trying to cope with this debilitating injury without understanding what was happening to the Veteran. Shining the spotlight on PTSI or D, however it is named is heartening and hopefully the people coming back from middle east conflicts will at long last get the help they need and deserve.
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Kathlean Keesler
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Is it hard to talk because society has this impression if your not productive, looking clean, smiling, you might be dangerous, mentally ill and need medication and if your productive by golly then your a healthy independent? In Santa Cruz Ca there are housed & homeless veterans who clearly need help. Some yell out absurdities, and frighten children in the parks. It's unfortunate the VA has allowed this to fall through the cracks and make excuses, money as the vocal point. Santa Cruz Vets Memorial Hall (its big) I found IT closed and IT could have held groups easily- AFFORDABILITY (preventative measure) groups together on a schedule. They refer vets to Veterans Services when I see many simply have lost their dignity and or feel uncomfortable/embarrassed. There are lots of people, not just veterans of war, who think they are the only one with skeletons in the closet. PSTD disorder disease - is like red knuckle sobriety, or a monkey on your back drug addiction; at least that's how I saw it living out on the streets with these traumatized vets. Several men I spoke to were on prescribed drugs attached to this open classification (bipolar or PSTD) some impersonal, classified clinical study "one size fits all" experts terminology. OH you have PTSD, boxed up. OR you don't pass the test to be considered valid to be classified for treatment. DO we all need TREATMENT? What about good ole commardery SUPPORT in supporting each other via talking and a little dose of laughter? (There isn't profit in prevention) The stories I tried to listen to became so long and confused I grew tired of listening. I concluded this/ that was due to our government's neglect; transition ought to be 1st, some sort of mandatory welcome home TLC. I may/might never change my mind on that opinion. THANKS for allowing me to babble......
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SP5 Robert Ruck
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Not babble. Truth.
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Kathlean Keesler
Kathlean Keesler
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Thank you.
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Kathlean Keesler
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PO2 Gerry Tandberg - Hello THANKS - If I may AND please feel welcome to TEACH me - I do not take anything personally as in hurt feelings. My situation I have sort of planned. Nasty divorce took 4 freaking yrs 2011-2014. I WAS left literally out on the streets, as if that were somehow legal in the family courts of Watsonville Ca.. So I decided to go back before my oldest child was born 1981. I once hung out & about with PTS disorder Vietnam vets. I saw once rural community (farmers, small family owned businesses, local police, grocery clerks ....get the picture?) families with BIG potential they became all broken apart. I saw women left to raise the Vietnam vets BOYS & girs. I saw the incoming of drug addiction. UNBELIEVABLE those who made it back, out of body bags, once fine football players,
high school sweet hearts, with loving hard working supportive parents & teachers; these young men returned from war all DOPED up. Today I have plopped right inside a Vietnam vets federal (HUD), low income, disabled, (apartment) housing. Divorced twice. He needs assistance, with surgery recuperation. His 5 adult children are too busy earning a living. His grandkids are too young. He has one leg. He smokes a lot of cigarettes. POINT might be WHY are these vets breaking down after they "made families", after they worked for years reaching for the American Dream? THE gov't seems to have ripped away the American family and we need double incomes to "raise our young!" . Parents, spouses, clergy, family physicians.... we all need to understand PTSD...In my divorce case the local justice system destroyed any hope for family mediation and left my young daughters motherless. Are we all in the same BALL PARK?
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Kathlean Keesler
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Edited 7 y ago
Thank you all so very much. PTSD is a modern world poltical word for SHELL SHOCK . I appreciate all your stories and the information. If I may - my 18 yrs old sweet middle class, full time waitress-hostess @ a locally owned restaurant, in the community where she was born & raised has been violently, brutally stabbed. The gang member (? Perp) is a Latino. He was wth 2 others. She was stabbed sharp wide knife more than once. She was attacked in front of her father's multi million dollar home 95062 Live Oak California. She was rushed via ambulance for treatment. She believes the stabber called 911. She is an emotional, psychological, physical wreck. Is this PTSD? I posted her stab wound with stitches on my Facebook page. Thanks for this place I feel comfortable being me.
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PO2 Gerry Tandberg
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Kathleen, I'm familiar with Live Oak as my parents live in Gridley for a number of years, and we'd drive through Live Oak on our way to visit them many times. It was also in-route to our biannual trips to Oroville. Please let you friend know that she will likely experience flashback as a result of this assault for the rest of her life; but although as horrific as it is, this is a normal reaction to an emotional injury and physical injury, not a disorder. Encourage her to seek help through supports groups and peers who have similar experiences; i.e., other victims, including combat veterans, police, fire fighters, etc. Don't forget that Post Traumatic Stress is an injury and it will to leaves both those physical, as well as emotional scars. We all have scars that simply don't go away. My loss of an 8.5 old child was a bad chapter in my life which will never be forgotten, and it will remain etched in my memory forever. But, there is a silver lining in every event we experience, and for your friend it very likely she survived just to help others! As a Christian I can tell you that the Great Healer is Yeshua (Jesus) and there are tens of thousands living today who will attest to that.
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Kathlean Keesler
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Thank you. I have much to share. 1st the wonderful Live Oak sheriff's caught the man who stabbed my daughter 3 times. One wound was so near a vital organ she said she was told she might have been paralyzed.
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Kathlean Keesler
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Of course I needed to head back to comfort her 2,100 miles drive Chicago to Santa Cruz. I decided to replace the car I sold to go to Africa for 7 months June-December 2016. I got a Ford XLT Contact cargo van. Home on wheels. Packed all my camping gear, with tons of survival gear, food and the cherished relics I brought back from Kenya. 600 miles to go WHAM I entered a snow storm. So thick were the flakes I could not see even with the windshield wipers flapping time. Lucky for me I saw a Highway Patrol parked - I pulled over and confessed "I have not slept in over 30 hrs... Stupid maybe BUT please help me locate a hotel.
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Going to build a frosty the snowman today WILL share him - his name will be Smokin Joe - as he will reside nearest the smoking area which is so nice - structure I will share it - closet smoker Kate
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PO2 Gerry Tandberg
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For those struggling with PTSI. When I submitted my article to RallyPoint six months ago they suggested I NOT include reference material I provided because I did not have the permission of those authors. If you consider those authors provided information for the sole purpose of helping those who struggle with PTSI, it would seem that permission was already granted and a mute point. Therefore, here are those resources. Please note that "On Killing" by LtCol David Grossman was a one of the last books I read at the suggestion of Bob Whitworth who wrote "Through My Eyes".

Jim Hyde at Peer Support Central http://www.peersupportcentral.com is a certified Conflict Mediation Trainer, and conducts seminars on how to deal with critical incidents in our life. Mr. Hyde is also a member of National Guard and served in law enforcement for 31 years. I’ve attended three of his seminar, and found them to be excellent. He also approached this important and serious subject with a measure of humor which we all appreciated. Some of what I’ve leaned is expressed in my article "What I learned about Post Traumatic Stress".

Good reads:
Through My Eyes by Bob Whitworth, Vietnam Veteran.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/ [login to see] -0053808?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Through+my+eyes%2C+bob+whitworth

The Wounds of the Soul, by Jim Money, Patriot Guard Rider and Vietnam Veteran.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Wounds-Soul-Veterans-Families/dp/ [login to see]

Unbroken, Louis Zamperini (Laura Hillenbrand) WWII Veteran and Japanese POW. Hollywood made a movie of Louis Zamperini's experience, but left out important information Louis provided about his struggle with PTSI and how he overcame in the last several chapters of the book. Leave it to Hollywood's failures!
http://www.amazon.com/Unbroken-World-Survival-Resilience-Redemption/dp/ [login to see]

On Killing, Lt Col David Grossman. This book is required reading in certain branches of our military, and I highly recommend it be read.
http://www.amazon.com/Killing-Psychological-Cost-Learning-Society/dp/ [login to see] /ref=sr_1_1/ [login to see] -2057721?ie=UTF8&qid= [login to see] &sr=8-1&keywords=dave+grossman+killing

I pray that the above reference material will be of benefit to those Combat Veterans and others who suffer from PTSI, or want to understand it better.
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CSM Charles Hayden
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What ever my problems might be, Neurofeedback has helped train my brain.

CA State University, San Bernardino, CA has an extensive program. They are expanding to U of CA Riverside in Palm Desert, CA!

Talk therapy, combined with neurofeedback has helped whatever problem I have!

I have also learned to be in charge; of my mind!

I mentally transport myself to a ‘peaceful’ place. Focusing on the beauty and quiet of that peaceful place allows me to go to sleep.

IF I DEVIATE FROM THE PEACEFUL ROUTE, I RETURN TO THE STARTING POINT OF THAT PEACEFUL JOURNEY and start over!
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