Posted on May 23, 2018
Tank Chats #36 Tiger 131 | The Tank Museum
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How 48 Royal Tank Regiment Captured Tiger 131
British tank crews first encountered Tigers in January 1943. German crews had been thorough in carrying out their orders to completely destroy abandoned Tigers in order to prevent them falling into enemy hands. As a result little was known about this formidable new opponent, so the capture of a complete Tiger was a prize of enormous importance which would yield valuable information.
This makes the capture of Tiger 131 as significant as it was enigmatic. The fate of the crew remains a mystery but the fact that the tank was abandoned seems to have been considered dishonourable. The unit's war diary simply states; "Crew members of Tiger 131 panic and abandon the tank after two harmless hits from a Churchill." The evidence shows that the tank was subject to several direct hits which were far from harmless.
The most important strike, which is clearly visible today, saw a 6-pounder round scrape the underside of the Tiger's 88mm gun, before hitting the gun mantlet and lodging itself in the turret ring. This jammed the turret and effectively prevented the Tiger from fighting. It also split the weld on the top plate and, according to a contemporary report, shattered the radio. It was surmised that this shot could have "incapacitated the driver and front gunner".
The Crew of Tiger 131
Evidence of a second 8pdr strike can also be seen on the right hand turret lifting stud, but a third 6 pdr hit the open loader's hatch, smashing it and deflecting the round to hit the hatch rim, again potentially injuring crew members inside. Whatever happened, the evidence shows that Tiger 131 was literally fought to a standstill by 48 RTR’s Churchill tanks.
The damage caused by their 8pdr’s indicates an incredibly high standard of gunnery as they were almost certainly firing on the move. The fact the tank was captured at all proves that, despite its clear but often overstated strengths, the Tiger was not invincible.
Behind the myth and hyperbole with which it is often associated, Tiger 131 tells an important story about the human element in tank warfare; the role of the crew. We may speculate that the inexperience or poor morale of its crew led to the surrender of a tank famed for its strength; but what of the men who had to face the fearsome Tiger in machines they considered inferior?
As published in the Tank Times Feb 2012 by Tank Museum Bovington Dorset. Tiger 131 has been fully restored and is currently on display and being driven in displays at the Tank Museum Bovington Camp Wareham Dorset.
Medjez-al-bab: Historical Information. Mejez-al-bab is SW of Tunis, on route P5.
In May 1943, the war in North Africa came to an end in Tunisia with the defeat of the Axis powers by a combined Allied force.
The campaign began on 8 November 1942, when Commonwealth and American troops made a series of landings in Algeria and Morocco. The Germans responded immediately by sending a force from Sicily to northern Tunisia, which checked the Allied advance east in early December. In the south, the Axis forces defeated at El Alamein withdrew into Tunisia along the coast through Libya, pursued by the Allied Eighth Army. By mid April 1943, the combined Axis force was hemmed into a small corner of north-eastern Tunisia and the Allies were grouped for their final offensive.
Medjez-el-Bab was at the limit of the Allied advance in December 1942 and remained on the front line until the decisive Allied advances of April and May 1943.
There are 2,903 Commonwealth servicemen of the Second World War buried or commemorated in MEDJEZ-EL-BAB WAR CEMETERY. 385 of the burials are unidentified. Special memorials commemorate three soldiers buried in Tunis (Borgel) Cemetery and one in Youks-les-Bains Cemetery, whose graves are now lost.
Within the cemetery stands the MEDJEZ-EL-BAB MEMORIAL, bearing the names of almost 2,000 men of the First Army who died during the operations in Algeria and Tunisia between 8 November 1942 and 19 February 1943, and those of the First and Eighth Armies who died in operations in the same areas between 20 February 1943 and 13 May 1943, and who have no known graves.
The five First World War burials in Medjez-el-Bab War Cemetery were brought in from Tunis (Belvedere) Cemetery or in Carthage (Basilica Karita) Cemetery in 1950.
Medjez-al-bab is beautifully tended: http://www.cwgc.org/find-a-cemetery/cemetery/47314/MEDJEZ-EL-BAB%20WAR%20CEMETERY
and here: http://www.ww2guards.com/ww2guards/Cemeteries_L_-_M/Pages/MEDJEZ-EL-BAB_MEMORIAL,_TUNISIA.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sfvkcr_5jk - photos from 1900 - 1950
A book, Churchill Infantry Tank 1941-1951 records this incident but fails to mention the capture at all, instead glossing over the battle in a short paragraph.
2017 update: http://tankmuseum.org/year-news/bovnews63935 thanks to Dale Oscroft.
http://www.39-45war.com/tiger131.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_131
Scene from the movie " Fury "
https://youtu.be/FX7Nhfk-hAk
The only working Tiger tank in the World
https://youtu.be/mpJ_63YiCAM
COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Stephen C. LTC Stephen F. LTC (Join to see) SMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc" Thomas TSgt Joe C. SFC William Farrell SSG Robert Webster Sgt Randy Wilber @ sgt jim SGT Jim Arnold SGT (Join to see) SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth SP5 Mark Kuzinski CPL Dave Hoover SPC Margaret Higgins SCPO Morris Ramsey Alan K. Cynthia Croft
British tank crews first encountered Tigers in January 1943. German crews had been thorough in carrying out their orders to completely destroy abandoned Tigers in order to prevent them falling into enemy hands. As a result little was known about this formidable new opponent, so the capture of a complete Tiger was a prize of enormous importance which would yield valuable information.
This makes the capture of Tiger 131 as significant as it was enigmatic. The fate of the crew remains a mystery but the fact that the tank was abandoned seems to have been considered dishonourable. The unit's war diary simply states; "Crew members of Tiger 131 panic and abandon the tank after two harmless hits from a Churchill." The evidence shows that the tank was subject to several direct hits which were far from harmless.
The most important strike, which is clearly visible today, saw a 6-pounder round scrape the underside of the Tiger's 88mm gun, before hitting the gun mantlet and lodging itself in the turret ring. This jammed the turret and effectively prevented the Tiger from fighting. It also split the weld on the top plate and, according to a contemporary report, shattered the radio. It was surmised that this shot could have "incapacitated the driver and front gunner".
The Crew of Tiger 131
Evidence of a second 8pdr strike can also be seen on the right hand turret lifting stud, but a third 6 pdr hit the open loader's hatch, smashing it and deflecting the round to hit the hatch rim, again potentially injuring crew members inside. Whatever happened, the evidence shows that Tiger 131 was literally fought to a standstill by 48 RTR’s Churchill tanks.
The damage caused by their 8pdr’s indicates an incredibly high standard of gunnery as they were almost certainly firing on the move. The fact the tank was captured at all proves that, despite its clear but often overstated strengths, the Tiger was not invincible.
Behind the myth and hyperbole with which it is often associated, Tiger 131 tells an important story about the human element in tank warfare; the role of the crew. We may speculate that the inexperience or poor morale of its crew led to the surrender of a tank famed for its strength; but what of the men who had to face the fearsome Tiger in machines they considered inferior?
As published in the Tank Times Feb 2012 by Tank Museum Bovington Dorset. Tiger 131 has been fully restored and is currently on display and being driven in displays at the Tank Museum Bovington Camp Wareham Dorset.
Medjez-al-bab: Historical Information. Mejez-al-bab is SW of Tunis, on route P5.
In May 1943, the war in North Africa came to an end in Tunisia with the defeat of the Axis powers by a combined Allied force.
The campaign began on 8 November 1942, when Commonwealth and American troops made a series of landings in Algeria and Morocco. The Germans responded immediately by sending a force from Sicily to northern Tunisia, which checked the Allied advance east in early December. In the south, the Axis forces defeated at El Alamein withdrew into Tunisia along the coast through Libya, pursued by the Allied Eighth Army. By mid April 1943, the combined Axis force was hemmed into a small corner of north-eastern Tunisia and the Allies were grouped for their final offensive.
Medjez-el-Bab was at the limit of the Allied advance in December 1942 and remained on the front line until the decisive Allied advances of April and May 1943.
There are 2,903 Commonwealth servicemen of the Second World War buried or commemorated in MEDJEZ-EL-BAB WAR CEMETERY. 385 of the burials are unidentified. Special memorials commemorate three soldiers buried in Tunis (Borgel) Cemetery and one in Youks-les-Bains Cemetery, whose graves are now lost.
Within the cemetery stands the MEDJEZ-EL-BAB MEMORIAL, bearing the names of almost 2,000 men of the First Army who died during the operations in Algeria and Tunisia between 8 November 1942 and 19 February 1943, and those of the First and Eighth Armies who died in operations in the same areas between 20 February 1943 and 13 May 1943, and who have no known graves.
The five First World War burials in Medjez-el-Bab War Cemetery were brought in from Tunis (Belvedere) Cemetery or in Carthage (Basilica Karita) Cemetery in 1950.
Medjez-al-bab is beautifully tended: http://www.cwgc.org/find-a-cemetery/cemetery/47314/MEDJEZ-EL-BAB%20WAR%20CEMETERY
and here: http://www.ww2guards.com/ww2guards/Cemeteries_L_-_M/Pages/MEDJEZ-EL-BAB_MEMORIAL,_TUNISIA.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sfvkcr_5jk - photos from 1900 - 1950
A book, Churchill Infantry Tank 1941-1951 records this incident but fails to mention the capture at all, instead glossing over the battle in a short paragraph.
2017 update: http://tankmuseum.org/year-news/bovnews63935 thanks to Dale Oscroft.
http://www.39-45war.com/tiger131.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_131
Scene from the movie " Fury "
https://youtu.be/FX7Nhfk-hAk
The only working Tiger tank in the World
https://youtu.be/mpJ_63YiCAM
COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Stephen C. LTC Stephen F. LTC (Join to see) SMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc" Thomas TSgt Joe C. SFC William Farrell SSG Robert Webster Sgt Randy Wilber @ sgt jim SGT Jim Arnold SGT (Join to see) SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth SP5 Mark Kuzinski CPL Dave Hoover SPC Margaret Higgins SCPO Morris Ramsey Alan K. Cynthia Croft
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The Allies eventually cut off the German shipping lanes in the Mediterranean sea, therefore, the Germans tried to fly in fuel and supplies, which proved unsuccessful. Once again, it was another logistical defeat.
At the start of war the Allies had to in general, improve the firepower and armor of the tanks to catch up with the German Tigers and Panzers. The Allied superior tanks numbers leveled the battlefield. The Americans built their tanks with ease of production and reliability as a goal. The more complex German tanks were prone to breakdowns, and fixing them often entailed sending them back to Germany. Thus it became a battle of attrition in reference to reliability and supportability in the African, Russian, and Battle of the Bulge of requisite amount of fuel.
At the start of war the Allies had to in general, improve the firepower and armor of the tanks to catch up with the German Tigers and Panzers. The Allied superior tanks numbers leveled the battlefield. The Americans built their tanks with ease of production and reliability as a goal. The more complex German tanks were prone to breakdowns, and fixing them often entailed sending them back to Germany. Thus it became a battle of attrition in reference to reliability and supportability in the African, Russian, and Battle of the Bulge of requisite amount of fuel.
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SGT John " Mac " McConnell
Reliability and dependability is the best for pushing the enemy. Not to mention the vast numbers and production in the U.S.
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