Civil rights Atty. Leo Terrell: Dems not standing up against crime in Floyd protests because...

1SG (Join to see) - I have no disagreement with that. People individually don't deserve it to happen to them.

Penny Tucker - There may be some of those people, but there are certainly a lot who do care very much about what happened to Mr. Flyod and want it to stop happening to their community. They wan't their sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, etc to stop dying at the hands of police.

SPC Kevin Ford - According to the Bureau of justice statistics, there are roughly 35 million official line of duty contacts per year between police and civilians. The Bureau of Justice Statistics states that there are typically 350-700 police killings per year, but there is a very credible case to be made that those statistics are under reported. The average compiled by three different civilian sources puts the numbers somewhere between 1000-1400 per year for the period of 2000-2014. (WaPo, Howard University, The Justice Project)

_Approximately 100-140 of those fatalities are police officers. Consistently with about 50% killed with criminal intent and 50% killed accidently (auto accident, failed drowning rescue, failed rescue from burning car or structure, dog attack, etc. etc.)

_I'm not going to breakout the police killings of civilians into justified (Bad Guy shot first, Bad Guy died in accident during hot pursuit, etc. etc.) and unjustified (improper restraint, police hits civilian during hot pursuit, etc. etc.) or with criminal intent or accidental. Your guess is as good as mine, what per cent were unjustified and without intent. Even assuming they were all malicious with criminal intent 0.000036 per cent or less than 4 in a million of police line of duty contacts result in the deaths of civilians.

I stand by my chicken or the egg comment. How many people who comply with police direction, offer no resistance, and do not attempt to flee are killed by the police each year. Undoubtedly there are some, but I'd be shocked if it was more than a handful. With those kind of statistics I'm not sure that "prevention" is an effective counter-measure. But those who go too far, as in Mr. Floyd's killer should be crucified on the road to Rome.

Maj John Bell - And that right there is the problem. Not complying with police direction is not in any way license to use deadly force. Nor should the expected outcome ever be the use of deadly force. Dealing with people who may not be complying and are likely in an emotional state is the job. Our entire perspective on when it is reasonable for police to use force that kills citizens is part of the problem.

We cannot hold police to a lower standard of conduct than we do the general population. Your comment about crucifying them on the road to Rome is what usually does not happen unless the public gets all agitated. How many times had several police department employees claimed one thing happened, only to find out some video exists that shows they lied? How many times has a look into the records of these officers revealed that this isn’t the first time? How many times has the prosecutors office acted like they are more there to protect the police than the public? How many interactions did these same officers had with the public where the officers treated them in an unprofessional that didn’t result in death? How many of these incidents need to happen before the public trust is broken?

Like I said earlier, it is a profession that needs to have zero tolerance for misconduct. Any bad apples should result in major introspection on what went wrong. Instead, time after time it is dismissed as a couple of bad apples as an excuse and nothing changes. Could you imagine if after a crash that was due to pilot error that the response of the airline is, oh it’s just a couple of bad apples. Would you fly that airline again?