Posted on Nov 11, 2016
Pentagon Investigators Weigh Review of Air Force Chaplain Chief
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Have we come too far when we prohibit Chaplains for giving invocations at functions while in uniform? I believe so.
Pentagon Investigators Weigh Review of Air Force Chaplain Chief
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56A: Command and Unit Chaplain
Maj Gen
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Military Religious Freedom Foundatin (MRFF) and it's president Mikey Weinstein, really misc the boat in this article. I could say more, but will contain myself with a bit of restraint. What does he think Chaplains have been hired to do and represent? While he may be a lawyer, he does not represent the law with fairness or accuracy all the while continuing to misconstrude and badger, whith his vitrolic diatribe, religious practices of individuals within the military. He speaks so fondly of seperation of church and state, but seems to forget about the totality of The First Ammendment and its two religious clauses that provide for free religious freedom, expression, and existance within the public domain of the U.S. including the Military.
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
Well said Captain, It is quite amusing that these legal beagles who decry the "separation of Church and State" never quite come far enough as to show us just where in the Constitution where that is specifically spelled out, but ensure to steer clear of those shoals that their arguments would run aground on. As you mentioned, the 1st Ammendment.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
There are several hundred years of legal documentation and judicial opine that have occurred since the creation of the constitution. The supreme court has weighed in on this, more specifically:
Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story’s 1833 treatise on constitutional law:
"The real object of the [First] amendment was not to countenance, much less to advance, Mahometanism, or Judaism, or infidelity, by prostrating Christianity: but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects, and to prevent any national ecclesiastical establishment which should give to a hierarchy the exclusive patronage of the national government"
There are thousands of laws and legal opines that affect our daily life that don't trace their origins to the constitution. It's not the "end all be all" of American legal policy.
Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story’s 1833 treatise on constitutional law:
"The real object of the [First] amendment was not to countenance, much less to advance, Mahometanism, or Judaism, or infidelity, by prostrating Christianity: but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects, and to prevent any national ecclesiastical establishment which should give to a hierarchy the exclusive patronage of the national government"
There are thousands of laws and legal opines that affect our daily life that don't trace their origins to the constitution. It's not the "end all be all" of American legal policy.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
They did? So are all those chaplains rogue agents working out of unofficial chapels that don't exist on any map?
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How do you destroy an Army at peace. Destroy its sense of tradition and make it ashamed of its history. WWIII is a culture war.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
Maj John Bell - And CARL was created for the specific purpose of opposing the repeal of DADT, ie oppression of the LGBT community. It's PRECISELY the same thing, just non violent at the moment.
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Maj John Bell
SFC Michael Hasbun - So you do not support the right of the people to advocate for legislation...? Who sets the metric for what is and is not the acceptable social legislation. By chastising the Chaplain, the government is in effect endorsing something that is clearly not government business. I know it's not me as an individual. To whom do you propose we hand that power, if the electorate is not acceptable.
From the CARL website:
OUR MISSION
Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty exists to ensure that chaplains can defend and provide for the freedom of religion and conscience that the Constitution guarantees all chaplains and those whom they serve.
I see nothing about the specific purpose of repealing DADT.
From the CARL website:
OUR MISSION
Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty exists to ensure that chaplains can defend and provide for the freedom of religion and conscience that the Constitution guarantees all chaplains and those whom they serve.
I see nothing about the specific purpose of repealing DADT.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
Maj John Bell - Ok? The KKK website describes itself as a Faith Based Christian Organization that promotes family values. If I didn't know better, I'd say websites tend to avoid negative press huh?
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Maj John Bell
SFC Michael Hasbun - You made an assertion..."CARL was created for the specific purpose of opposing the repeal of DADT, ie oppression of the LGBT community." What specific actions on the part of CARL can you point to to support your opinion. Please don't waste my time with arguments if they refer to legal means provided by the Constitution. There are myriad organizations whose stated goals I absolutely reject; as long as they petition the government for legal redress of their grievances, through legal means, I'll give my life to defend their right to be wrong.
Are you sure you really want to use a KKK vs CARL comparison? Historically, the KKK used terrorism—both physical assault and murder—against groups or individuals whom they opposed. What has CARL done, beside holding onto a dogma or doctrine you reject?
Are you sure you really want to use a KKK vs CARL comparison? Historically, the KKK used terrorism—both physical assault and murder—against groups or individuals whom they opposed. What has CARL done, beside holding onto a dogma or doctrine you reject?
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