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Do you nearly always feel like you on egg shells ready for the other shoe to drop?
Man I can not get a VA psych in approximately 1.5 years since my doctor retired.
Man I can not get a VA psych in approximately 1.5 years since my doctor retired.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
Will Man thanks man for checking in...where does on start? I have my family photos out..man look at my dad!!
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HASSAY, MICHAEL ALBERT
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DATE OF BIRTH: 01/02/1948
DATE OF DEATH: 10/19/2017
BURIED AT: SECTION AH SITE 19
SOUTHERN NEVADA VETERANS MEMORIAL CEMETERY
1900 VETERANS MEMORIAL DR BOULDER CITY, NV 89005
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DATE OF DEATH: 10/19/2017
BURIED AT: SECTION AH SITE 19
SOUTHERN NEVADA VETERANS MEMORIAL CEMETERY
1900 VETERANS MEMORIAL DR BOULDER CITY, NV 89005
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I mean I can’t seemingly get out of it. My life was supposed to be built on giving all and succeeding. From beginning to end, I tried to forget and never talked about it. It was far to confusing.
Then another guy met me in the streets. He was a bit younger then me. I was hustling trying to make money to eat. He mentioned he was in the military at some point. We both shared 1 thing. We both tried a Navy Army transfer while still enlisted. His went through. Mine I finally recalled confusing was medically disqualified over a phone call with my Army Handler, to the transfer physical conducted at MEPS. Over a phone call a panicked sad depressed overwhelmed young 22 year old went dark trapped in 4 more years in an enlistment he was obligated, and still assigned to a guided missle frigate in deck.
I mean who would not blank out with that scenario?
With this information the ARmy guy dragged me into his VSO to tell the same story. The VSO was a marine> HURRAGH...all my 22 year old flood of emotions and pride would come out...still saying sir..feeling like a little boy to a 30 something year old man a VSO.
Crushed man...i mean it just will sound wierd on how i lived.
The VSO had another contact another VSO who ran the county, who got me in the system and in front of a Army Psych at the VET Center. I finally told her to story of the last handful of years.
I told her I had tried this Navy ARmy transfer. I did not have record of it in my personnel records of the Navy. But what they did have was I was already on SSDI considered disabled by the federal gov..for psych..an effective year only 3 years after discharge
Man I had lost everything always struggling trying to catch up..on Those lost 8 years from 18-26 I tried to forget..
I tried to relay this hell from a meritorious bootcamp graduate to homeless in a psych hospital and still confused nearly 20 years later...
Fight clubs underground..
And they pulled my SSDI records. I wash in a psych hospital in San Diego only 1 month after Discharge that was Honorable Re1
I did not even know I could reenlist.
I was not counseled on anything. I did not even know about the va when they gave me that paper out of the back of a building on the sub base in San Diego. I had blanked out just to get to the end of that mark, I signed when i was 18, thinking I would become an officer by 22.
I had signed a reserve enlistment. It is the Navy equivalent at the time of a National Guard weekend warrior.
But after boot I was not assigned to a Navy Seal Unit.Ok That would make no sense at all. I would not be able to adjust only part time with anything like that.
Nope I was assigned to an active duty guided missle frigate full of full time guys who knew i was part time and that was not a benefit.
4 years later, put in a washer machine mentally and physically, every month in odd amount of days weeks months was my Navy Service from begging to back.
I was broken.
It was if they said hey kid here is a hot nugget a rock of fire and you must take care of it and balance it and not drop it for 8 straight years and show up to this ship and still act like you can maintain that rock...and if you drop it...well you will pay...
I Spent so manny days nights weekends hours reading alone with no pay struggling with advanced realities of a Navy Guided Missle Frigate underway, and was getting panic attacks as I was reading about my demise every month..there is no way I was giving to be able to go the ship and turn it on and match wits functionality symmetry unity with the full time crew who was my chain of command and used me like they found me out in the back of Home Depot for day labor..which I guess it alright...hence they worked hard and were doing it ..these dangerous at times life threatening events...prepared for
But the only difference is they Ptah me in that Dog pit and made me fight my way out of it with other full time dogs...so lit by the time..I was sent home sort of comatose...did not know how to speak of it..and then there was this thing called
OPSEC..
So if my girfriend fiance asked I was not talking..infact what could you talking about..a ass kicking you had no idea how to talk about..as you sweated and were in literal shock for days stunned trying to re adapt to life off the ship..
Like going to mars for a few days and sent back to earth Back and for years..
I can imagine way to think about it is if you were assigned to a fire truck and had to know everyone and everything about this assignment ..but you were only part time from the beggining...
And here is the kicker...because you are part time..you only get for the hours and days you are there....so you might make a few thousand under poverty annually due time on the ship..but...With that you must eat get a place to live not to mention you had a girfriend .what about enjoying time with her? And I think the slammer is that there was no health care attached for drop in after duty. They just sent you home, orders over, a clear break.
But you were sore.You just felt like you played in a football game and you were forced in there and you had no Experience. You only had read the play book alone.
So you get to the va because your new buddy took you and the VSO took you in. But you got denial denial denail for even a homeless housing voucher...
They blamed your reserve enlistment did not get enough active duty days back and forth over those 8.
So the same exact thing that harmed you which was your enlistment was the same thing that made you look like a fool completely broke down hurting at the VA.
The va said!!!Oh sorry that is a congressional law issue. You can go to your congress person and complain. You can also appeal this
I was prompted to start a BCNR for relief even a homeless housing voucher as a possible relief...
Denied Denied
I was pressed ...I had top rewrite...and retell hundreds to thousands of time to whomever would listen and try to explain how I went from a 18 year old varsity athlete meritorious graduated bootcamp graduate to homeless lost everything confused
The VA could not make a connection to my navy ship to my injuire3s.
I was bit confused. In Bootcamp and even on the ship and in all the manuals and even people in the streets will say time and time again...how dangerous and even deadly it can be at any one given moment...increased only in magnitude if you are young and inexperienced...like being in your first fight with a bully but this bully is a Navy GUided Missle Frgiate with full time guys and they outnumbered you...
They never called me once off duty to go eat and drink and hangout off the ship. Nope I was gone forgotten only to be obligated to return
It was not like I joined to give up...but man this was worse than water torture in some respect it was mysterious you were conflicted..you did not know right from wrong...maybe this is normal that all the ships had a part time 18 year old...there were nearly 400 ships in the navy so that should be an easy question to answer...but find me 1 or 2 or even 100 ..and even if you do find me 1000 in the history of the Navy would that still be one of the oddest statistically rare scenarios ever?
So I learned FOIA..wrote an email to the FOIA officer at MEPS... stating that I had attempted a Navy ARmy Trasnfer and there was no record in my navy jacket. They could of said there is nothing here and you are a liar..good story bud...
But there was recORD!! They emailed me it. My life was lit up..and I took it to the VSO and there was a Air Force VSO former recuiter who looked at the print out and said what????? He was like look at this code 3P..Permanantly Profiled 3 medical conditions stopping the transfer at MEPS
All 3 were affecting me..spine musculoskeletal and psych ...
ANd I finally thought i had my get out of jail card...please VA or BCNR grant me something...here are the records
Denied Denied Denied ... a few years later the BVA Washington DC Called me .The traveling judged listens to me. I get a letter months later..service conneceted for psych...but the rating is sent back to VA Oakland...a few months later..you guessed it .. 0 percent service connected...as if nothing had happened...i was perfectly fine.....
I laugh ..
My dad I had just met a Vietnam ARmy INfantry Vet 66-68 passed away..the last few years were spent fighting for my own homeless housing voucher
I mean I am not sure if the human body was made to succeed like this. I don’t know of another situation like this
Then another guy met me in the streets. He was a bit younger then me. I was hustling trying to make money to eat. He mentioned he was in the military at some point. We both shared 1 thing. We both tried a Navy Army transfer while still enlisted. His went through. Mine I finally recalled confusing was medically disqualified over a phone call with my Army Handler, to the transfer physical conducted at MEPS. Over a phone call a panicked sad depressed overwhelmed young 22 year old went dark trapped in 4 more years in an enlistment he was obligated, and still assigned to a guided missle frigate in deck.
I mean who would not blank out with that scenario?
With this information the ARmy guy dragged me into his VSO to tell the same story. The VSO was a marine> HURRAGH...all my 22 year old flood of emotions and pride would come out...still saying sir..feeling like a little boy to a 30 something year old man a VSO.
Crushed man...i mean it just will sound wierd on how i lived.
The VSO had another contact another VSO who ran the county, who got me in the system and in front of a Army Psych at the VET Center. I finally told her to story of the last handful of years.
I told her I had tried this Navy ARmy transfer. I did not have record of it in my personnel records of the Navy. But what they did have was I was already on SSDI considered disabled by the federal gov..for psych..an effective year only 3 years after discharge
Man I had lost everything always struggling trying to catch up..on Those lost 8 years from 18-26 I tried to forget..
I tried to relay this hell from a meritorious bootcamp graduate to homeless in a psych hospital and still confused nearly 20 years later...
Fight clubs underground..
And they pulled my SSDI records. I wash in a psych hospital in San Diego only 1 month after Discharge that was Honorable Re1
I did not even know I could reenlist.
I was not counseled on anything. I did not even know about the va when they gave me that paper out of the back of a building on the sub base in San Diego. I had blanked out just to get to the end of that mark, I signed when i was 18, thinking I would become an officer by 22.
I had signed a reserve enlistment. It is the Navy equivalent at the time of a National Guard weekend warrior.
But after boot I was not assigned to a Navy Seal Unit.Ok That would make no sense at all. I would not be able to adjust only part time with anything like that.
Nope I was assigned to an active duty guided missle frigate full of full time guys who knew i was part time and that was not a benefit.
4 years later, put in a washer machine mentally and physically, every month in odd amount of days weeks months was my Navy Service from begging to back.
I was broken.
It was if they said hey kid here is a hot nugget a rock of fire and you must take care of it and balance it and not drop it for 8 straight years and show up to this ship and still act like you can maintain that rock...and if you drop it...well you will pay...
I Spent so manny days nights weekends hours reading alone with no pay struggling with advanced realities of a Navy Guided Missle Frigate underway, and was getting panic attacks as I was reading about my demise every month..there is no way I was giving to be able to go the ship and turn it on and match wits functionality symmetry unity with the full time crew who was my chain of command and used me like they found me out in the back of Home Depot for day labor..which I guess it alright...hence they worked hard and were doing it ..these dangerous at times life threatening events...prepared for
But the only difference is they Ptah me in that Dog pit and made me fight my way out of it with other full time dogs...so lit by the time..I was sent home sort of comatose...did not know how to speak of it..and then there was this thing called
OPSEC..
So if my girfriend fiance asked I was not talking..infact what could you talking about..a ass kicking you had no idea how to talk about..as you sweated and were in literal shock for days stunned trying to re adapt to life off the ship..
Like going to mars for a few days and sent back to earth Back and for years..
I can imagine way to think about it is if you were assigned to a fire truck and had to know everyone and everything about this assignment ..but you were only part time from the beggining...
And here is the kicker...because you are part time..you only get for the hours and days you are there....so you might make a few thousand under poverty annually due time on the ship..but...With that you must eat get a place to live not to mention you had a girfriend .what about enjoying time with her? And I think the slammer is that there was no health care attached for drop in after duty. They just sent you home, orders over, a clear break.
But you were sore.You just felt like you played in a football game and you were forced in there and you had no Experience. You only had read the play book alone.
So you get to the va because your new buddy took you and the VSO took you in. But you got denial denial denail for even a homeless housing voucher...
They blamed your reserve enlistment did not get enough active duty days back and forth over those 8.
So the same exact thing that harmed you which was your enlistment was the same thing that made you look like a fool completely broke down hurting at the VA.
The va said!!!Oh sorry that is a congressional law issue. You can go to your congress person and complain. You can also appeal this
I was prompted to start a BCNR for relief even a homeless housing voucher as a possible relief...
Denied Denied
I was pressed ...I had top rewrite...and retell hundreds to thousands of time to whomever would listen and try to explain how I went from a 18 year old varsity athlete meritorious graduated bootcamp graduate to homeless lost everything confused
The VA could not make a connection to my navy ship to my injuire3s.
I was bit confused. In Bootcamp and even on the ship and in all the manuals and even people in the streets will say time and time again...how dangerous and even deadly it can be at any one given moment...increased only in magnitude if you are young and inexperienced...like being in your first fight with a bully but this bully is a Navy GUided Missle Frgiate with full time guys and they outnumbered you...
They never called me once off duty to go eat and drink and hangout off the ship. Nope I was gone forgotten only to be obligated to return
It was not like I joined to give up...but man this was worse than water torture in some respect it was mysterious you were conflicted..you did not know right from wrong...maybe this is normal that all the ships had a part time 18 year old...there were nearly 400 ships in the navy so that should be an easy question to answer...but find me 1 or 2 or even 100 ..and even if you do find me 1000 in the history of the Navy would that still be one of the oddest statistically rare scenarios ever?
So I learned FOIA..wrote an email to the FOIA officer at MEPS... stating that I had attempted a Navy ARmy Trasnfer and there was no record in my navy jacket. They could of said there is nothing here and you are a liar..good story bud...
But there was recORD!! They emailed me it. My life was lit up..and I took it to the VSO and there was a Air Force VSO former recuiter who looked at the print out and said what????? He was like look at this code 3P..Permanantly Profiled 3 medical conditions stopping the transfer at MEPS
All 3 were affecting me..spine musculoskeletal and psych ...
ANd I finally thought i had my get out of jail card...please VA or BCNR grant me something...here are the records
Denied Denied Denied ... a few years later the BVA Washington DC Called me .The traveling judged listens to me. I get a letter months later..service conneceted for psych...but the rating is sent back to VA Oakland...a few months later..you guessed it .. 0 percent service connected...as if nothing had happened...i was perfectly fine.....
I laugh ..
My dad I had just met a Vietnam ARmy INfantry Vet 66-68 passed away..the last few years were spent fighting for my own homeless housing voucher
I mean I am not sure if the human body was made to succeed like this. I don’t know of another situation like this
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Others have had situations like this some cases worse some cases not. I don’t know you but I know your pain, I also want to say thank you for posting what you did I read every word. Just know people are trying help. Stay strong.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
Mr Bauman.
Thanks for taking time to say hello. You look like an upstanding guy. I am proud to have served with people as good as you.
Not sure where to start. But I do believe some have it harder for sure! I feel blessed but man look at my dad. Honestly he had it harder man. He lost his family, ended up under bridges, and worse from what I found out. I got to meet him after Navy was finished. He had just himself been put in the va and instantly approved support, 40 years past his service date..66-68 the hottest ..11 LIB ..
I was not informed they put him in the cemetery before I could even figure out how to get involved. This is one part of the story..and I have no records of his service beyond something the va gave me...
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HASSAY, MICHAEL ALBERT
PVT US ARMY
VIETNAM
DATE OF BIRTH: 01/02/1948
DATE OF DEATH: 10/19/2017
BURIED AT: SECTION AH SITE 19
SOUTHERN NEVADA VETERANS MEMORIAL CEMETERY
1900 VETERANS MEMORIAL DR BOULDER CITY, NV 89005
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Thanks for taking time to say hello. You look like an upstanding guy. I am proud to have served with people as good as you.
Not sure where to start. But I do believe some have it harder for sure! I feel blessed but man look at my dad. Honestly he had it harder man. He lost his family, ended up under bridges, and worse from what I found out. I got to meet him after Navy was finished. He had just himself been put in the va and instantly approved support, 40 years past his service date..66-68 the hottest ..11 LIB ..
I was not informed they put him in the cemetery before I could even figure out how to get involved. This is one part of the story..and I have no records of his service beyond something the va gave me...
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HASSAY, MICHAEL ALBERT
PVT US ARMY
VIETNAM
DATE OF BIRTH: 01/02/1948
DATE OF DEATH: 10/19/2017
BURIED AT: SECTION AH SITE 19
SOUTHERN NEVADA VETERANS MEMORIAL CEMETERY
1900 VETERANS MEMORIAL DR BOULDER CITY, NV 89005
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The second part finds a young 18 year old missing his father trying to make up for his fathers presence...enlist in a Navy enlistment in 1994.
Lucky me, There were so many reports that it was easy to put it together. It seemed obvious a SAM enlisted and a FFG is at minimum risky and odd.
I have found in my research the Navy in general has a very documented and hotly debated problem I with the goal of reducing manpower cost, leading to undermanning and training issues. The budget guys do not feel the pain on the ship due undermanning and training is affected.You can look up the USS Fitzgerald and McCain stories and see this. Now if the active duty are stressed on the ship then what is the likely outcome of some young part time guy assigned to them? The reports you see will start with 1975 reports stating the first time undermanning active ships and replacing billets with a reserve. But again no one would give me waiver or come to my aid at the va or the bcnr denials.
dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA032080.pdf
1975 DOD Annual Report to Secretary Defense Reserve Forces
Manpower and recruiting problems also directly affected readiness as well as impacting on training through increased requirements for retraining or for initial skill qualification. Since the outset of the no-draft era, we have had to rely to a great extent on veteran volunteers to meet our strength needs.
Although the recruiting of veterans has allowed us to meet our goals, over-dependence on veterans has some problems. SInce veterans come to the Reserve with their specialties already determined by prior training and experience, the ability to manage the specialties of personnel to match specific mobilization billet requirements is reduced because of geographic locations. In addition, large imputes of veterans increased the average grade and longevity of our manpower, resulting in higher pay costs. These were offset to some extent by reduction in the necessity to provide lengthy periods of initial training. As a result we have reached a point where we must now place greater emphasis on recruitment of young, non-prior service personnel.
Another aspect is to have the Guard and Reserve readily available under conditions other then a national emergency or a declaration of war. Such authority would demonstrate our swift response capability for mobilization and would serve as a warning to potential aggressors and as encouragement to our allies.
This legislation will enable the Services to plan for broader application of the “Total Force Policy” in satisfying contemporary national defense requirements. The “Total Force Policy” dictates that all available forces—U.S. Active Forces, U.S. Guard and Reserve Forces, and the forces of our allies—would be considered in determining the Defense needs to most future contingencies. In carrying out these missions, the volunteer potential of the Reserve Forces will continue to be fully exploited.
3. To increase integration of Reserve Forces in active forces missions
B. Test manning active Navy Destroyers with a mix of 80 percent active personnel and 20 percent reservists in comparison with 100% active manned ships.”
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defense.gov/Portals/70/Documents/annual_reports/1976-77_DoD_AR.pdf
1976 Annual Defense Department Report
Another more important initiative is our plan to man some of our active surface combatants at 80% of active manning, relying on selected reserve personnel to fill the remaining billets upon mobilization.”
Admittingly, there are some potential problems involved in the 80/20 concept, most of which center around the interrelated factors of maintenance and operational tempo. The concept is predicated on the assumption that the understrength active crew, augmented by reserves during drill periods, would be able to maintain their ship in adequate material condition and conduct the required training for basic combat missions.”
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dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a213071.pdf
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Sleep Problems, Health Symptoms, and Tension ... - dtic.mil
Naval Health Research Center.
Approach
A cross-sectional sample of officers' and enlisted personnel aboard nine
U.S. .Navy combatant ships vas surveyed. Shiptypes included tvo Guided Missile
Cruisers (CGs), five Minesweepers (MSOs), one Guided Missile Frigate (FFG),
and one Amphibious Transport Dock (LPD).
Tension/Anxiety
Overall, tension/anxiety levels of the cross-sectional sample appeared to
be within normal limits. However, Junior enlisted personnel (El to E3) reported
greater subjective tension/anxiety than higher paygrade personnel.
This result may have been a reflection of the relative inexperience of these
sailors in extended at-sea operations and the potentially hostile environment.
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1983 May
ALL HANDS
Rear Admiral Robert F. Dunn talks about reserves today
A new recruiting program could ease some of the present problems for the Naval Reserve “We have the Sea and Air Mariner Program in the works now for recruiting non-priory service people.” Admiral Dunn
Part of the settling in process with his new job involves Admiral Dunn’s carrying the word to the active Navy. He’s intent on correcting certain misconceptions: “Just because an individual wears the uniform only one weekend a month or during two weeks in the summer and somebody else wears it all year, doesn’t mean that the first one is less of a sailor or less of a naval person.”
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1983
CNA Center Naval Analyses
Naval Selected Reserve:A Total Force Perspective
Deborah Clay Mendez
“Sea and Air Mariners are non-prior service recruits who take the Recruit Training Course(Bootcamp) and directly into the SELRES without service in the active force.”
“The restriction of promotion for unrated SAM’s may not be accurate, but the Naval Reserve has no previous experience with non-prior service,non-A-School personnel, and there is some doubt a rating could be earned through only part time On-Job-Training,”
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1985
Dwight F. Scott
Full text of "Development of a new screening table for Sea/Air Mariners."
NAVAL POSTGRADUATE SCHOOL
Monterey, California
4. Reserves should seek a higher quality recruit than the
active forces because reserve personnel train only
part— time and must retain skills over longer
periods with less practice and supervision. CRef. 303
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1994 DOD Manpower Requirement Reports
The Navy must be able to fill key positions to perform its mission successfully and safely. Therefore, the recruiting and retention of high caliber officer and enlisted personnel to man our technologically-sophisticated Navy remains a top priority.
Navy Manpower Requirements
Active 480.8
Selected Reserve/TAR 113.4
SAM 0.9
The Sea Air Mariner program, a non-prior service accession program inaugurated in 1984 to help the Naval Reserve meet its junior enlisted personnel mobilization requirements, is drawing down to maximize the retention of spaces for the more highly trained and skilled veteran personal
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“DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY COMNAVRESFORINST 1100.4A O9 FEB 1994
Subj:ENLISTED NAVAL SELECTED RESERVE (SELRES) INCENTIVE PROGRAMS
4. SAM Educational Assistance Payments
Payment cannot exceed $1,000 in any 12 month period based on the enlistment anniversary date) or a total of $4,000. Payment. is for educational expenses (tuition, fees, books, laboratory fees and shop fees for consumable material used as part of classroom or shopinstruction) incurred by members at accredited institutions”
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“Naval War College
Newport R.I.”
“TELL THE TRUTH: CAN THE OPERATIONAL COMMANDER RELY ON THE ADVERTISED CAPABILITIES OF THE ... LCDR THOMAS M. ROSSI, USN.”
“ABSTRACT
Over 31% of the United States Navy's combatant surface
escort force are guided missile frigates (FFGs) assigned to the
Naval Reserve Force (NRF).”
“dangerous manning situation exists which will not be
reflected in any readiness report and could result in the
operational failure of the ship over time.”
“As Admiral Boorda and many other leaders continue to stress,
reservists are critical to the success of our Total Force team.
However, few civilian men and
women work in a shipboard damage control environment, conduct corrective maintenance on intricate fire control systems, serve
as a member of a weapon system's firing team, or, for that
matter, drive a ship in their normal, daily environment.”
“Even very talented individuals cannot be expected to
effectively perform in some of the NRF FFG's more sophisticated
ratings when exposed to the limited amount of annual, complete
team training NRF Selres personnel receive.”
“The skills required to professionally and safely operate a
ship at sea may not be equivalent to the skills demanded of a
medical surgeon, but there are similar consequences to be paid if
either professional attempts to work in his or her trade without
adequate training. In 1990, the Department of Defense conducted
a Total Force Policy review in which they admitted shipboard duty
may not be a satisfactory application of the reserve force
Structure.”
“Conclusion”
“I maintain based on 27 months in command of one, that the NRF FFGs are not, and should not be expected to be, fully combat ready for immediate deployment into a high threat area, under the present “system”. reservists (SELRES) portion of the crew receives neither the quantity nor the quality of training received by their active duty counterparts, neither as port of the ‘team” nore as individual crewmembers.”
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Evolution of the Military's Current Active-Reserve Force Mix
U.S. Navy (USN) The Navy Reserve has evolved over time from a semi-autonomous strategic reserve in terms of platforms and trained individuals to what is today a strategic and operational reserve that is a mix of individuals and unit types that either complement or mirror elements of the AC. In the former case, the RC provides “skills and expertise to complete the Total Force inventory of capabilities”1 and in the latter case, the RC provides “skills and expertise that match the AC to offer greater capacity at lower carrying cost.”2 This evolution can be traced back to the aftermath of WW II, when the Navy had a large number of ships and aircraft and trained the Navy Reserve to staff them in anticipation of a need for a large force to wage war with the Warsaw Pact. By the end of the Cold War, this scenario had become obsolete. In the case of ships, as the size of the fleet declined, the Navy moved to a policy of fully manning all its ships so that these ships would not require RC augmentation in the event of war. In addition, the problems of maintaining ships in standby status with part-time personnel and the impracticality of rotating part-time personnel to deployed units made employing reservists, other than full-time support (FTS) personnel, to operate ships unworkable, and the Navy Reserve Fleet (NRF) disappeared.
To meet the demands for experienced petty officers as the fleet expanded toward its goal of 600 ships, the Navy relied, in part, on voluntary recalls designed to draw prior-service sailors into the Reserves and then back onto active duty. To backfill the petty officers who went to the fleet, the Navy initiated the Sea/Air Mariner (SAM) program to attract new recruits to the Naval Reserve by offering tuition assistance. However, this program proved unsuccessful because its benefits and 6-year obligation compared unfavorably with Army and Air Force programs.66
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I don't know if you got the end of this. But with all this I found no one at the va or bcnr was going to help and approve something for years of denials.
Lucky me, There were so many reports that it was easy to put it together. It seemed obvious a SAM enlisted and a FFG is at minimum risky and odd.
I have found in my research the Navy in general has a very documented and hotly debated problem I with the goal of reducing manpower cost, leading to undermanning and training issues. The budget guys do not feel the pain on the ship due undermanning and training is affected.You can look up the USS Fitzgerald and McCain stories and see this. Now if the active duty are stressed on the ship then what is the likely outcome of some young part time guy assigned to them? The reports you see will start with 1975 reports stating the first time undermanning active ships and replacing billets with a reserve. But again no one would give me waiver or come to my aid at the va or the bcnr denials.
dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA032080.pdf
1975 DOD Annual Report to Secretary Defense Reserve Forces
Manpower and recruiting problems also directly affected readiness as well as impacting on training through increased requirements for retraining or for initial skill qualification. Since the outset of the no-draft era, we have had to rely to a great extent on veteran volunteers to meet our strength needs.
Although the recruiting of veterans has allowed us to meet our goals, over-dependence on veterans has some problems. SInce veterans come to the Reserve with their specialties already determined by prior training and experience, the ability to manage the specialties of personnel to match specific mobilization billet requirements is reduced because of geographic locations. In addition, large imputes of veterans increased the average grade and longevity of our manpower, resulting in higher pay costs. These were offset to some extent by reduction in the necessity to provide lengthy periods of initial training. As a result we have reached a point where we must now place greater emphasis on recruitment of young, non-prior service personnel.
Another aspect is to have the Guard and Reserve readily available under conditions other then a national emergency or a declaration of war. Such authority would demonstrate our swift response capability for mobilization and would serve as a warning to potential aggressors and as encouragement to our allies.
This legislation will enable the Services to plan for broader application of the “Total Force Policy” in satisfying contemporary national defense requirements. The “Total Force Policy” dictates that all available forces—U.S. Active Forces, U.S. Guard and Reserve Forces, and the forces of our allies—would be considered in determining the Defense needs to most future contingencies. In carrying out these missions, the volunteer potential of the Reserve Forces will continue to be fully exploited.
3. To increase integration of Reserve Forces in active forces missions
B. Test manning active Navy Destroyers with a mix of 80 percent active personnel and 20 percent reservists in comparison with 100% active manned ships.”
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1976 Annual Defense Department Report
Another more important initiative is our plan to man some of our active surface combatants at 80% of active manning, relying on selected reserve personnel to fill the remaining billets upon mobilization.”
Admittingly, there are some potential problems involved in the 80/20 concept, most of which center around the interrelated factors of maintenance and operational tempo. The concept is predicated on the assumption that the understrength active crew, augmented by reserves during drill periods, would be able to maintain their ship in adequate material condition and conduct the required training for basic combat missions.”
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Naval Health Research Center.
Approach
A cross-sectional sample of officers' and enlisted personnel aboard nine
U.S. .Navy combatant ships vas surveyed. Shiptypes included tvo Guided Missile
Cruisers (CGs), five Minesweepers (MSOs), one Guided Missile Frigate (FFG),
and one Amphibious Transport Dock (LPD).
Tension/Anxiety
Overall, tension/anxiety levels of the cross-sectional sample appeared to
be within normal limits. However, Junior enlisted personnel (El to E3) reported
greater subjective tension/anxiety than higher paygrade personnel.
This result may have been a reflection of the relative inexperience of these
sailors in extended at-sea operations and the potentially hostile environment.
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1983 May
ALL HANDS
Rear Admiral Robert F. Dunn talks about reserves today
A new recruiting program could ease some of the present problems for the Naval Reserve “We have the Sea and Air Mariner Program in the works now for recruiting non-priory service people.” Admiral Dunn
Part of the settling in process with his new job involves Admiral Dunn’s carrying the word to the active Navy. He’s intent on correcting certain misconceptions: “Just because an individual wears the uniform only one weekend a month or during two weeks in the summer and somebody else wears it all year, doesn’t mean that the first one is less of a sailor or less of a naval person.”
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1983
CNA Center Naval Analyses
Naval Selected Reserve:A Total Force Perspective
Deborah Clay Mendez
“Sea and Air Mariners are non-prior service recruits who take the Recruit Training Course(Bootcamp) and directly into the SELRES without service in the active force.”
“The restriction of promotion for unrated SAM’s may not be accurate, but the Naval Reserve has no previous experience with non-prior service,non-A-School personnel, and there is some doubt a rating could be earned through only part time On-Job-Training,”
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1985
Dwight F. Scott
Full text of "Development of a new screening table for Sea/Air Mariners."
NAVAL POSTGRADUATE SCHOOL
Monterey, California
4. Reserves should seek a higher quality recruit than the
active forces because reserve personnel train only
part— time and must retain skills over longer
periods with less practice and supervision. CRef. 303
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1994 DOD Manpower Requirement Reports
The Navy must be able to fill key positions to perform its mission successfully and safely. Therefore, the recruiting and retention of high caliber officer and enlisted personnel to man our technologically-sophisticated Navy remains a top priority.
Navy Manpower Requirements
Active 480.8
Selected Reserve/TAR 113.4
SAM 0.9
The Sea Air Mariner program, a non-prior service accession program inaugurated in 1984 to help the Naval Reserve meet its junior enlisted personnel mobilization requirements, is drawing down to maximize the retention of spaces for the more highly trained and skilled veteran personal
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“DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY COMNAVRESFORINST 1100.4A O9 FEB 1994
Subj:ENLISTED NAVAL SELECTED RESERVE (SELRES) INCENTIVE PROGRAMS
4. SAM Educational Assistance Payments
Payment cannot exceed $1,000 in any 12 month period based on the enlistment anniversary date) or a total of $4,000. Payment. is for educational expenses (tuition, fees, books, laboratory fees and shop fees for consumable material used as part of classroom or shopinstruction) incurred by members at accredited institutions”
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“Naval War College
Newport R.I.”
“TELL THE TRUTH: CAN THE OPERATIONAL COMMANDER RELY ON THE ADVERTISED CAPABILITIES OF THE ... LCDR THOMAS M. ROSSI, USN.”
“ABSTRACT
Over 31% of the United States Navy's combatant surface
escort force are guided missile frigates (FFGs) assigned to the
Naval Reserve Force (NRF).”
“dangerous manning situation exists which will not be
reflected in any readiness report and could result in the
operational failure of the ship over time.”
“As Admiral Boorda and many other leaders continue to stress,
reservists are critical to the success of our Total Force team.
However, few civilian men and
women work in a shipboard damage control environment, conduct corrective maintenance on intricate fire control systems, serve
as a member of a weapon system's firing team, or, for that
matter, drive a ship in their normal, daily environment.”
“Even very talented individuals cannot be expected to
effectively perform in some of the NRF FFG's more sophisticated
ratings when exposed to the limited amount of annual, complete
team training NRF Selres personnel receive.”
“The skills required to professionally and safely operate a
ship at sea may not be equivalent to the skills demanded of a
medical surgeon, but there are similar consequences to be paid if
either professional attempts to work in his or her trade without
adequate training. In 1990, the Department of Defense conducted
a Total Force Policy review in which they admitted shipboard duty
may not be a satisfactory application of the reserve force
Structure.”
“Conclusion”
“I maintain based on 27 months in command of one, that the NRF FFGs are not, and should not be expected to be, fully combat ready for immediate deployment into a high threat area, under the present “system”. reservists (SELRES) portion of the crew receives neither the quantity nor the quality of training received by their active duty counterparts, neither as port of the ‘team” nore as individual crewmembers.”
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Evolution of the Military's Current Active-Reserve Force Mix
U.S. Navy (USN) The Navy Reserve has evolved over time from a semi-autonomous strategic reserve in terms of platforms and trained individuals to what is today a strategic and operational reserve that is a mix of individuals and unit types that either complement or mirror elements of the AC. In the former case, the RC provides “skills and expertise to complete the Total Force inventory of capabilities”1 and in the latter case, the RC provides “skills and expertise that match the AC to offer greater capacity at lower carrying cost.”2 This evolution can be traced back to the aftermath of WW II, when the Navy had a large number of ships and aircraft and trained the Navy Reserve to staff them in anticipation of a need for a large force to wage war with the Warsaw Pact. By the end of the Cold War, this scenario had become obsolete. In the case of ships, as the size of the fleet declined, the Navy moved to a policy of fully manning all its ships so that these ships would not require RC augmentation in the event of war. In addition, the problems of maintaining ships in standby status with part-time personnel and the impracticality of rotating part-time personnel to deployed units made employing reservists, other than full-time support (FTS) personnel, to operate ships unworkable, and the Navy Reserve Fleet (NRF) disappeared.
To meet the demands for experienced petty officers as the fleet expanded toward its goal of 600 ships, the Navy relied, in part, on voluntary recalls designed to draw prior-service sailors into the Reserves and then back onto active duty. To backfill the petty officers who went to the fleet, the Navy initiated the Sea/Air Mariner (SAM) program to attract new recruits to the Naval Reserve by offering tuition assistance. However, this program proved unsuccessful because its benefits and 6-year obligation compared unfavorably with Army and Air Force programs.66
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I don't know if you got the end of this. But with all this I found no one at the va or bcnr was going to help and approve something for years of denials.
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