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Warrant Officers
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Counseling
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CW4
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Yes and then the CW4 can make an airplane or a hat or a boat unless he/she is a really gifted oragamist then the skies the limit!
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SFC (Join to see)
it depends on what role the NCO has, and who signed the NCO's appointment orders to that role.
I.E a NCO who has been to the Master Fitness Course can counsel an overweight Commissioned officer if the NCO has appointment orders from the commander giving him authority over the unit's ABCP. I say this because i have counseled more than 1 Officer about their progress in the ABCP.
I.E a NCO who has been to the Master Fitness Course can counsel an overweight Commissioned officer if the NCO has appointment orders from the commander giving him authority over the unit's ABCP. I say this because i have counseled more than 1 Officer about their progress in the ABCP.
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Yes, but it won't be effective. MSG (Join to see) since I am very gifted with making origamis, I made this for you
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MSG (Join to see)
Thank you very much LTC (Join to see)! First (and best) oragami pterodactyl I've ever seen!
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The question really is can any NCO give any Officer a counseling statement. The answer is NO. They have zero authority given to them to counsel any Officer. Any NCO that presume he/she can give a counseling statement to an Officer should be escorted to the CSM for some NCO counseling.
BTW I don't care about the context of the situation. If the Officer is that 8-up then the NCO should bring it to the Commander or Sr. NCO (CSM or 1SG) so the Commander, as a Officer, can take care of the issue. Keep in mind the Commander is under no obligation to get back to the NCO on how the issue was resolved.
BTW I don't care about the context of the situation. If the Officer is that 8-up then the NCO should bring it to the Commander or Sr. NCO (CSM or 1SG) so the Commander, as a Officer, can take care of the issue. Keep in mind the Commander is under no obligation to get back to the NCO on how the issue was resolved.
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CW5 Andrew J. Foreman
SFC (Join to see) - Everyone needs to know there place. Like an NCO I advise officers and commanders. Once I provide the best advise the make a decision. Where I like it or not is irrelevant unless it is illegal, immoral, or unethical.
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SFC Matt Ziemba
Not a negative counseling, but in some units you may see an E-7 assigned as the Security Manager, in that situation you (E-7) may be called upon to provide a written counseling when someone is briefed into the unit. But NO...not a negative performance type counseling. That's just dumb....
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SFC Robert Lee
And thats why i retired. Because no matter what the rank is there always should be a conclusion or resolution.
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SFC (Join to see)
SFC Robert Lee - Yep. Because justice and unit discipline directly affects morale. This is the reason the command posts Article 15 results out in the company area for all to see. If you have a toxic leader or otherwise jacked-up leader in your organization, at the minimum, the person making the initial report should be given some kind of closure even if it's as little as, "We handled it."
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1st question: Can that E7 even FIND the CW4 to give him the counseling??????
Now that the tongue-in-cheek answer is out of the way, I would imagine that when dealing in the real world with a CW4, said E7 may wish to remember the sage advice of "do what your rank can handle" and let's see how that works out.
Now that the tongue-in-cheek answer is out of the way, I would imagine that when dealing in the real world with a CW4, said E7 may wish to remember the sage advice of "do what your rank can handle" and let's see how that works out.
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CWO4 (Join to see)
It doesn't matter where the Warrant is. That is why we are Warrants. If you have to ask, you don't need to know. Professional competence says it all.
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SFC (Join to see)
Well... to be fair... the CW4 really has no impact on your rank. Once you pin SFC, you're going to have to screw up fairly badly to get those stripes pulled. No sense in being afraid of a rank if there's a serious issue at stake.
But then again, the SFC trying to write up a CW4 might be jacked up as well, so who knows.
But then again, the SFC trying to write up a CW4 might be jacked up as well, so who knows.
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CPL Richard Smith
if you care to listen but you out rank so maybe if crew chef and somethings wrong with helo
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CW4 Brian Haas
Great, now I'm gonna end up drunk and throwing popcorn at him. Thanks a lot! Now I'm gonna get counseled for that.
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CW4 (Join to see)
I have made it this far in the Army without ever locking up a soldier. If this happened to me, it would be a fun day.
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Rare and unusual for sure, and not as a performance based counseling. authority of position resides in many duty positions, and while not subordinate in rank, they may be supervised by that NCO, in that the commander assigned the NCO as the leader of that unit section.., in that the CDR placed the NCO as a section chief.. with WO and officers in the section doing specific and related duties.
Say a Commo shop at Bde level, it may have a SFC Section chief, but there are LT, CPT, WO 2, 3, 4 perform duties in that section... A WO 4 needs a counseling of record for leave in a foreign country, or riding a motorcycle, notification and acknowledgement that 20 task list items must be completed before block leave will be granted....ect. or a million other things. . A DA4856 is not rank based, there is no requirement to be of a particular rank to write one and present it to the receiver.
This scenario would mostly happen in an academic environment I would think, but could happen at in a HQ , say division level.. Though I would see it more as SGM / CSM to CW4 not SFC to CW4.
Any place a CW4 is assigned , any section they are part of, there is bound to be a supervisor or more senior leader close at hand in the section/ unit.
The senior leader might have the SFC who had direct knowledge oif the issue, good or bad produce the shell of a 4865, to include narrative and then the CDR or like performs the actually face to face counseling.
Say a Commo shop at Bde level, it may have a SFC Section chief, but there are LT, CPT, WO 2, 3, 4 perform duties in that section... A WO 4 needs a counseling of record for leave in a foreign country, or riding a motorcycle, notification and acknowledgement that 20 task list items must be completed before block leave will be granted....ect. or a million other things. . A DA4856 is not rank based, there is no requirement to be of a particular rank to write one and present it to the receiver.
This scenario would mostly happen in an academic environment I would think, but could happen at in a HQ , say division level.. Though I would see it more as SGM / CSM to CW4 not SFC to CW4.
Any place a CW4 is assigned , any section they are part of, there is bound to be a supervisor or more senior leader close at hand in the section/ unit.
The senior leader might have the SFC who had direct knowledge oif the issue, good or bad produce the shell of a 4865, to include narrative and then the CDR or like performs the actually face to face counseling.
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SFC John Mandrioli
SFC Michael Houlihan - in my case I was. Detachment Commander as an NCO and I had. WO1 assigned to me for a month to help with prop book matrix ect and at NO time was I instructed to counsel him I was asked by the acting BC for input on his OER but at no time did I write or review just my two cents
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MAJ Byron Oyler
SFC Michael Houlihan - My company CO is an O-3 with an E8 first shirt, they both can write 4856s. Rare the 1SG would but if he did, not going to ruin my career and I think in 20yrs I have had one 1SG I did not respect, pretty good folks all in all. I probably can learn something from them.
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CW2 George Lansford
Just like here at Army Sustainment Command we have a CPT as the HHC Commander but lots of WOs, COLs, LTCs, and so on in the Company..
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CPO (Join to see)
Definitely in an academic setting it can happen. I'm an instructor at an Army-run school with students from all four services, both enlisted and officer. The governing regulation for the school explicitly states that I can counsel any student regardless of rank. This is stated in the disciplinary counseling section of the regulation.
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If he doesn't rate you, pay you, or fuck you; it really doesn't matter what he thinks.
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I compare that situation to a brand new Butter Bar attempting to lock the heals on a CSM, I actually witnessed that one once, The CSM respectfully asked the LT to accompany him to Battalion. I heard the BC had the CO come on up for a group hug. Some things are worth preserving for posterity. If I were a WO I would take that counseling statement, frame it and put it up on my wall. It would be like a 4 leaf clover or a unicorn fart very rare.
On a side note once a WO makes CW2 they are sort of like Bigfoot, the Lock Ness monster or and honest politician. You hear about them but nobody can ever remember seeing one.
On a side note once a WO makes CW2 they are sort of like Bigfoot, the Lock Ness monster or and honest politician. You hear about them but nobody can ever remember seeing one.
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SPC James Anderson
First NTC rotation I witnessed about the same thing. A SGM was addressing some of the troops and a butter bar decided to interrupt and verbally correct him in from of said enlisted. SGM appeared to momentarily suppress his feral instinct to gouge out the butter bars eyes, then invited said butter bar into the battalion TOC for happy hour with the Bat CO. I believe the butter bar had a "come to jesus" meeting and exited the TOC 20 minutes later having seen the error of his ways. T
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Well I will tell you my first experience with a SGM. I was in the Marine Corp at this time and a E-1 with a grand total of 7 months in the corp in 1986. My SGM was a Korean and Vietnam Veteran. I was still in-processing in my first unit as an 0311 (Infantry) in Okinawa and I could hear a very loud yelling that reminded me of Boot Camp and across the road at the CP under the Flag pole I could see the SGM chewing on a young Marine, at first I thought it was a Private but as I walk past them (across the street of course) and looking for some kind of escape route, I could see the shine of a gold LT bar and him just sweating and looking like he wanted his mother. From that point on every time I saw a SGM I would do anything I could to walk the other way or take the long way around until I became a NCO myself. Just don't mess with them, even now as a CW2 I technically outrank them but as an old man I have no ass to spare anymore so I will protect what I have for now.
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