Posted on Jun 10, 2017
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As a newly minted O-1 I have no problem with the term, but some of my fellow ENS/LTs have been scolded for using it. I never considered the term a pejorative when I was enlisted and I still don't now that I'm on the officer side. I always thought it was sort of a rite of passage that goes along with being a new Officer. Am I missing something? Do you consider the term disrespectful or demeaning?
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CAPT Kevin B.
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Don't worry about what it is. Focus on the implications on what it does. Hint: Gold attracts shit. Happens twice in O'dom. O-1s and O-4s almost universally will relate to this aspect. Go forward and deal with it.
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SPC Todd Hanson
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I would say those service members are being over sensitive and need their safe space lol
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SFC Jim Ruether
SFC Jim Ruether
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Make sure to bring the coloring books and only primary color crayons so we don't offend those of differing shades of those colors.
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
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And that safe space most likely isn't in the military.
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MSG Brad Sand
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In truth, any 2LT that is offended is more of concern to me than I realized before considering reading this question. IF you want to be an officer in our military and you have time to give 'butter bar' a second of thought, you may need to rethink your career paths?
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SFC 101st Abn Div Sso
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I am of the opinion that if you are offended by that term, then perhaps you need to find another line of work. One of my favorites is "Spot" for new warrants. The fact that many of them were former enlisted allows for them to have thicker skin and not get so offended.
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CW2 Michael Mullikin
CW2 Michael Mullikin
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"Seer Spot! See Spot run! Run Spot run."
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SSG Robert Pauley
SSG Robert Pauley
8 y
how do you kill a rabbit you throw a WOC at him
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CW3 David Covey
CW3 David Covey
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I used to ask my LT's this.. See this Dot LT? That's a smart dot and you don't have any..lol They understood the humor at least.. I know most if not all had way more education than I did..
SFC Jason Paxton. When I received the ribbing on becoming a warrant by my NCO's, I always let them know I had been an NCO for a time and as Dirty Harry said "you got to know your limitations".. LOL
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CW2 Michael Mullikin
CW2 Michael Mullikin
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I used to tell people (civilians) that the number of squares indicated how many times that person had been passed-over for promotion.
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CPT Blane Kusterle
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You're in the Army...your feelings are irrelevant.
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COL President
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Exactly!
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SPC Margaret Higgins
SPC Margaret Higgins
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Sgt John Ervin - I really, Really like your answer, Sergeant. It sounds like you are sensitive to the needs of others.
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SSgt Estanislado Quinones
SSgt Estanislado Quinones
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If someone hurts your feelings go to dental they will take care of them for you!
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CPT Earl George
CPT Earl George
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it took 16 months and 11 days for my bar to turn from gold to silver. I was very happy to see the change, but I will always remember those days.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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Butter Bar is Much Better than Enswine. Which is What You would be Called int he Navy!
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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Now that got a laugh out of Me, I hadn't heard that one before, yep I guess butter bar would be better.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter - My "Female" Enswine was noted for Butting Heads with Me. But I think she Enjoyed Showing Up this Old Salty Dog on the COMSPAWARSYSCOM Distance Runners Club. I didn't Have Much Competition but the Female LTJG and ENS left me in the Dirt. Smart Ass Wenches! LOL!
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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PO3 Bob McCord - Thanks for the Reminder, The "George" Youngest Most Inexperienced Enswine. The Only Guy the Bull Enswine can Pick On. usually the George and if there wasn't a George the Bull was responsible for the Ship's Mascot. Also remember the George on the California CGN-36 Was required to Dress Like a Viking and stand above the SUBROC Magazine Holding a Set of Reins connected to Both Forward Corners of the Magazine. Pretty Crappy Job having to Constantly Polish that Huge Wooden Golden Bear that was our Mascot on Loan from the Ronny Reagan Library.
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SFC Jim Ruether
SFC Jim Ruether
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Butter Bar is much better than two tubs of Parkay! I can't believe its not butter?
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SPC Ricky Lockard
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Not at all disrespectful or demeaning. It is what it is. In fact, as a former enlisted soldier, I have fond memories of literally crossing the street at Fort Sam Houston, just to salute any "Butter Bar" observed carrying books in their right hand. Hahaha
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Kathy Shingleton
Kathy Shingleton
6 y
Would so up vote this more if I could!
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SSG Physical Therapy Specialist
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I did the same at Fort Sam lol I had to correct so many BOLC officers on rendering a proper salute
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SPC Member
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I'm Mosquito Wings so I say get over it.
A Captain is a Double Lieutenant, there's nicknames for everything and we jab each other.
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CWO3 Us Marine
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Lance Corporals (LCpl) have landing gear on their mosquito wings. Never heard the Double Lieutenant, that's a good one. Heard "railroad tracks" a lot though.
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Maj Marty Hogan
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Edited 8 y ago
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Maj Marty Hogan
Maj Marty Hogan
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SFC Jim Ruether - thanks. I hope those I serve feel this way.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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Maj Marty Hogan Butterbar? Pfft I'm a Petty Officer Let Me Emphasize the Word "Petty" I,m a Sailor, You Know what we Call O-1s behind their Backs "Enswine" You Know Naval Tradition? Nothing Lower than the "George" Most Jr Ensign. He is Charged with Protecting the Ships Mascot and is Generally Treated Like Dirt. Now the "Bull" the Most Senior Ensign is Treated with some Small Degree of Dignity. I Can't Remember if it was the Bull or the George that had to Dress as a Viking Grab Some Reins attached to the ASROC Magazine and Ride the California into Home Port standing atop the Magazine in Warm Weather. Never Seen LTJGs O-2 Treated Particularly Nice Either. I've Seen on More than One Occasion the JG told to be Quiet by the Skipper because He was Asking the Professionals "Senior Enlisted" (E-6 and above) a Question.
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SSG David Andrews
SSG David Andrews
8 y
Thanks for the tag Capt. Hogan.
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CW4 Craig Urban
CW4 Craig Urban
>1 y
I like to tell everyone that is a West pointer or OCS grad. That does not have prior enlisted everyone makes CPT in the army. Cannot make major your gone. Guys from Vietnam without a degree found out
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SSG Robert Perrotto
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Seriously, are you a Soldier, capable of fighting Americas enemies and protecting her interests, or are you an emotionally stunted child running to a safe space? getting tired of all this politically correct bovine fecal matter going around, Hurt feelings is part of the game, get used to it.
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SFC Jim Ruether
SFC Jim Ruether
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Strip those panties off soldier and go commando...............ha ha ha
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SGT Healthcare Specialist (Combat Medic)
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Whoa whoa big sarn’t not every SM is really a “soldier” I am very sure you and I both have met plenty of people joining to pay for school and want any easy 1st term.
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