Posted on Dec 7, 2015
Capt Bob Abbott
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I've been referred to a lot as "sir" and "Captain" here on Rally Point, but I've been out now for eight years. I'm just Bob. It makes me uncomfortable, not because I'm ashamed of my rank when I was in, but rather because as a veteran I feel like I have the same rank as all other vets, regardless of TIS or rank. What are your thoughts on this?
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SGT Patrick Reno
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I do it out of respect. That's the kind of people we are. Your neighbor might say Hey Bob, but I am going to call you sir.
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CPO Joseph Grant
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You can call me Joe, you can call me Chief, truly I don't care. Whatever makes people happy. I've been called names before that I'm sure I can't put on this site. I think it's more an active duty group that worries about it. Me I'm retired and the world can kiss my ass. I can prove I'm retired even have a pretty piece of paper they mailed me to prove it. LOL
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CPO Joseph Grant
CPO Joseph Grant
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SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury
See, you had an odd numbered Chief mentality trapped in an even numbered mind. You sure the MCPO wasn't still even numbered? Me, I retired when I saw the fitrep my alcoholic skipper wrote about me after firing me as DAPA. Just spent the rest of my time insulting the wardroom and whistling the Mickey Mouse club song.
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SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury
SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury
10 y
It was not awesome that you were fired as DAPA - but PHENOMENAL regarding the other stuff. I loved the blue side best of all - the green side I was attached to at the end was lily-skinned. I never seen so many offended people - then they heard me talk a few times... Lol
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CPO Joseph Grant
CPO Joseph Grant
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Best part was he was fired shortly thereafter because he not only got a DUI but tried to hide it. It's a BAD thing to piss off the Goat Locker. We were so happy to inform squadron that the CO had an oopsie out in town. Gotta love daily checks of court dockets online and news paper arrest reports. BTW, SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury I got fired because a few of myDAPA comments hit a little too close to home for the skipper.
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SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury
SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury
10 y
Hey, you had to keep the program going "in accordance with..."
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SGT David T.
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I feel like you do. It is very awkward to be called Sergeant now after I been out so long. I wish we could set my title to Mr. or not have one at all. I am just David now, Sergeant Thomas isn't who I am anymore.
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SGT David T.
SGT David T.
10 y
SSG Mike Busovicki - I would be cool with it showing, just I would like a better way to identify how I prefer to be addressed.
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SGT Robert Deem
SGT Robert Deem
10 y
I feel the same way. I think the "V" next to my name says it all. I didn't retire, so I didn't earn the title for life. I bank with USAA and they still address me by my rank when I call for service/support. I've asked them many times not to, but I guess it's their policy. Makes me feel so wierd...
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
10 y
Sorry guys, once you earned the rank it stays with you. Just like "coach".
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Sgt John Earley
Sgt John Earley
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I'm like Joseph Grant you can call me anything under the sun just don't call me late for supper... I have fun when I was in the service rank wasn't my title I guess... even though I was a lance corporal for three years I loved it I didn't have to order anyone around and I guess most of my friends were above lieutenants...i had one lieutenant that didnt like the way i was doing something so he was harassing me and I just went up to a colonel major major colonel and told him what was happening and they just took him out of our unit going someplace else... I have 29 days left in the Marine Corps and they wanted to give me a special court-martial because I had 289.3 grams of marijuana in my possession...they gave me a capt. For my judge and he was my CO in my last unit and he couldn't believe the major that accused me so he just dismissed the whole case and told me go have a good day and I still got out with an audible discharge...
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Does anyone else get uncomfortable when addressed by rank here on RP?
1SG Civil Affairs Specialist
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I think I can speak for most of us still in the military that when we use your former rank or "sir/ma'am" when we address a veteran or retired member, it is done with the utmost respect. You have earned it, even if it was long ago.
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SFC Stephen Williams
SFC Stephen Williams
10 y
I agree......everyone has earned their rank and should be proud of it.......even though I have been out for 28 years , when someone in here address me as SFC I know it is showing respect.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
10 y
100% correct
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Capt Bob Abbott I would gladly forgo my rank if it were an option. My title of Rabbah (Female version of rabbi) is far more important to me...
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
10 y
The title of Rabbah exceeds any Military rank. We had and Air Force Chaplin (priest) at our parish and he was always addresed as "Father".
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
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Capt Bob Abbott I use sir here for emphasis, or tongue in cheek. Before I went into the Navy I worked in Security, and my supervisor actually had his rank within the security company printed on his checks. Not company checks mind you, but his personal Checking. He was so proud of it.
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CSM David Heidke
CSM David Heidke
10 y
Capt Bob Abbott - I loved Captain Bob... He was from Brockton Massachusetts. Captain Bob Cottle. RIP... ;-)
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MAJ David Vermillion
MAJ David Vermillion
10 y
Totally inappropriate langugage on Rallypoint!
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
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SFC Joseph Weber
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If were sitting in the bar drinking I'd call you Bob. Since you have the rank up there it just seems natural to call you Sir.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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That' the way it is.
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1SG William Svoboda
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I really don't pay too much attention to it because it only happens here and when using military facilities. It definitely is out of respect. In my case, I retired as a 1SG but earned a Ph.D. and was Dr Svoboda for the last 20 years, (damn I've been retired 20 years already), but each time I visit a base or go space A I'm referred to as Top, 1SG ect. As a second career I worked in the GS world and my CAC card read Dr ... and so I had my retired ID with 1SG and my CAC card with GS13, Dr on it. But the bottom line is while we are a society with labels we are after all, just fellow humans and respect aside and I think it's been said before, just roll with it. I never read a disrespectful comment here related to o's vs non coms or vs versa. As a side note, I remember a guest speaker at the NCO academy where I was a SGL, state during his presentation that the Noncommissioned Officers are "Officers". Non-COMMISSIONED but Officers nonetheless and we should embrace that similarity and act as a professional CORPS with the same approach as our Commissioned counterparts and realize that attitude will improve working relationships. Since then and I know it sounds weird, but I looked at my rank and other Non-Coms differently and found greater acceptance and improved relations. After all we are one force divided by traditions, and customs and courtesies. Be proud of who you are, what you earned, and carry yourself accordingly. One of my all time favorite quotes is Act as if Someone's looking All the Time, because in the end someONE is.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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Yes Sir, I remember that comment. We were also told we are wearing the uniform of the United States Air Force. And what we do reflects directly on us and the United States. SOOOO, BEHAVE YOUR SELFS!
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MCPO Roger Collins
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I usually use my first name for everyone to use, Its "Chief". Just an old joke, I wouldn't want people to think that a MCPO looks like I do today. It is fine for an intro by RP on our responses, but in the actual response, as Hillary would say, "What difference does it make?"
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
10 y
She would not know the difference!!
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PO2 Chief Executive Officer (Ceo)
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I agree, I've been out for 32 years! It doesn't even make sense any more. I think in some ways it's why Veterans have a hard time telling others they were in the military. You feel like you need to be able to show something to validate that and it's just not true. I'm proud that I served and I'm proud of my job and I'm proud of those that continue to serve.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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Thank you PO2. A lot of Vietnam vets in between who were looked down upon, thus they did not say much about their service.
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MAJ David Wallace
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Totally with you on this, Bob! My title now is veteran since 2014!
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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I would hesitate to use that title myself. Retired since 1972.
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SGT Christina Barron
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Very valid point. But I think we have customs and courtesies beat into us, so it's hard to let them go. The only officer I've never addressed as, "Sir," is my Dad.
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1stSgt Donald Smith
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I was a 1stSgt, 38 years ago, but now I'm a Vet.

When someone addresses me as 1stSgt, it's usually another Marine.

I'll say to them kiddingly, take your pack off Marine...........My name is Don.......smile and say thanks.
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LCDR Chaplain
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Here, nah. Chaps, Rev., Dr., LT, pastor, padre, father, Adam (my first name, don’t really like posting that for the world to see, thus this is the only place you’ll see it on RP). Semper gumby. Doesn’t matter to me, 8th grade students have called me worse.
In uniform on orders with other SMs, I’m just plain old Chaps. Though the navy being what it is, I usually get called LT the first time, and then Chaplain when they figure out that’s what I am. I’m not here to bust your butt over a title, I’ve got enough anyway.
But if you’re older than me, well, I’m from the South. You’re a sir or ma’am. Always.
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Capt Skip Sponheim
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I AM A MEMBER OF THE MARINE CORPS LEAGUE. THE LEAGUE HAS NO RANK. THIS IS GOOD FOR THE ORGANIZTION AS IT STOPS A LOT OF "I AM BETTER THAN YOU" STUFF.BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I WISH, AT TIMES, THAT I COULD SWING A LITTLE WEIGHT. AS ORGANIZATIONS GO, THERE IS NONE FINER FOR BROTHERHOOD.
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MCPO Roger Collins
MCPO Roger Collins
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One thing about it is we see how much we have in common, E-2 through E-9, O-1 through O-6. I like it even though we are all equal in our comments.
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Cpl Clinton Britt
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I don't really think that anything is meant by it. For most of us it is respect. I have quite a few friends that are CSM and they are retired. In my opinion, they will always be a SgtMaj. I meet them half way. I address them by their rank and thier first name.

I do have a Col friend and his name is Dave. I call him Col Dave because calling him just Dave makes me feel wierd
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SGM Mikel Dawson
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Edited 10 y ago
I think it is what's instilled in us. Any time I am addressing someone I know was an officer, it's Sir, Ma'am or rank. It's just common respect.
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SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury
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While we should be respectful to EVERYONE on this post - this is not a military environment. I retired and hung up the uniform; as long as people are respectable to me they can call me Tom.

My real issue is how some folks are so snide and disrespectful. Had a fellow Chief make a snide remark on a post and I think that people need to think before they speak. Not saying my feelings were hurt - just really hate disrespect. He would not have dare said that to me in person and if he did I'd have fired back. We are all a part of the smallest fraction of our Nation's population and forever will be. I think we should regard each other as family or at least the family we never had. Just my $0.02...
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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Edited 10 y ago
I am sorry Capt. but out of respect I will call you Capt. I don't know you personally so I feel out of place calling you Bob, unless you say so. I have a Maj (owner) and LTC who hunt on the same lease. Since we are all hunters, we go by first names. I had a 1st Lt. (while drinking at a bar) That his first name was "lieutenant". I said in that case, I am Sargent ---- and this is Airmen ---- and I think we should have another round. You earned the rank, so be proud but, you don't have to go around telling everybody your rank. This happened at the NCO club at Orlando AFB. The guy told this other guy--you can't talked to me that way-- i am an officer. The paratrooper cold cocked him and the manager threw him out/
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LtCol Robert Quinter
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Really have no preference. I consider this group to be exceptional individuals who, in one way or the other have served our nation. They earned the right to call me whatever they like. Would like to avoid some of the monikers my wife lays on me
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
10 y
Hey, what's wrong with Honey,Handsome, Sexy, etc. LOL
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LtCol Robert Quinter
LtCol Robert Quinter
10 y
Uhhhh, MAX? :) Back to the throttles Friend.
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