Does fall of Ramadi degrade the sacrifice of those who fought, died there?

Couldn't agree more Captain. The political leadership in this country failed miserably. The men that fought, died or were wounded in Ramadi served honorably. Some gave the last full measure. Nothing will ever detract from that honorable sacrifice for country and comrades.

Unfortunately too many in this country give a pass to the civilian leaders that have failed to hold up their end of the war.

MSG Tom Earley The intent of my comment was simply that no matter what has happened nor why it has happened, the soldiers fighting the battle should not be degraded. Too many of them are the ones we honor tomorrow to slight them in any way.

Well said Captain Porter!

I was going to post the same thing MAJ Sitz Randy. This does not degrade the sacrifice of all those men and women that did their job. If anything it proves what a lot of us knew was going to come.....that being the IA would buckle when they had to be responsible for their own country's safety.

Thanks CPT Jack Durish --- much appreciated. And I certainly did not mean to "pile on" CPT (Join to see) --- sir, I hope you didn't take it that way. Semper fi, Gentlemen!

SSG Melvin Nulph , are you saying that we should have not started the Iraq war? Whether you agree with the war or not, what’s done is done but if your reason is because they didn’t have WMD then you should read up more on this matter because they did but they are plenty other countries with WMD and we are not doing much about that so in that sense we should have left them alone. Now I agree that the government should have listened the military leaders we had and we probably wouldn’t be where we are today. War is just a mean to a political strategy, so there’s always going to be politics in it, from start to finish. We have a CALL but it does not seem that we are actually implementing this “learned lessons.” Common sense, ha, the not so common sense, we live in a different world now Sarge and things are politics. Let me ask you this, If you were the government, how would you make this right? What ways would you go about it? GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad when I said “we” I meant the government, how would you feel that if another government came to America and promise a better system than what we have but in the midst of it all, it did not get better and they left before the job was complete and now you and your family are on the run and can’t find a stable home/economy? BTW, I didn’t think you guys were “piling” on me. Thanks CPT Jack Durish , haha, I think I can hold my own. Besides, this is all opinions and I am sure a lot of us on here have thick skin. Great point sir!

C'mon CPT (Join to see) --- did you really think that I didn't know what you meant by "we"? :-)

Lt. Andre it sounds kind of funny to ask someone like me, that retired from the military if he agreed with war but I have to remember that you know as much about me as I do yourself. (Military/ex-military members that post questions or opinions to, on a awesome website made for us to do so).
With that being said, "Yes Sir", I agreed and agree with war. I also agree that in the beginning of this there was a need like no other to remove the Iraq military from Kuwait.
I also do not see it as we started the Iraq war, (believe at the time we called it Desert Storm?) and do not believe that you ment it the way It came acrosed to me the first few times I read it.
Again, "Yes Sir", I'm thing that I know of that was published about it was a small paragraph in some magazine or newspaper that a MP Captin read to us before a meating we had & it actually state the country it was being stored at (some of the WMDs they found, from what I was told they knew that much more of it/them were moved a crossed borders into other countries. (Having medical issues I have I can't tell you the names,dates,or much more than what I have that was posted. I suffer from both, long and short term memory loss, as well as other issues.) But it doesn't affect my opinion, just what I'm able to remember at times, and to many other things at time to mention. Lmao, I know it's not funny, trust me, I know! But I can not allow it get to me anymore than it does without finding humor so I can relax.

I'll be getting back to you with some of the other things in our conversation.
Sorry, can not just type it out like other at the moment.

SFC James S.: I agree in general. However, the reasons behind the current fall of Ramadi, and our ongoing and disastrous middle east policies, lay completely on the shoulders of President Obama and his Staff. While the President might wish that he didn't have to deal with the wars he inherited from the Bush/Clinton/Bush administrations, he knew the facts in the field before he ran for president and nothing he has done as President proven remotely effective.

Agree !!!!!! I feel for our military leaders in Washington having to deal with our civilian leadership.

MSgt James Mullis, I disagrees with you on the point that President Obama is responsible for the current fall of Ramadi. As you yourself state President Obama inherited the wars from the Presidents Bush/Clinton/Bush administrations. Well, they couldn't solve the problems either! Remember, our leaders SHOULD NEVER commit our military troops to a mission and not have an exit strategy. Our leaders should never depend on a successor to come up with an exit strategy either, as President Johnson did! In my humble opinion, that a is an abomination to our military. Our military has some of the finest leaders America has to offer. However, you have to remember that above the rank of Major General or Rear Admiral it takes Congress to approve those promotions. So, politics is inevitable especially in the higher echelon of our military.

I understand, really I do. But you know that it does't make sense tactically to hold a piece of ground indefinitely. Mark Lee died for the mission, for his fellow Seals, and for freedom. Every square inch of the conflict has been paid for in loss and sacrifice. But when a piece of the ground becomes more important than the IDEAL that brought them there (Navy,Marines,Army,Airforce) then, we have truly lost. We have to remember WHY our comrades are gone, not where they were lost..

You do understand that Iraq is the CENTRAL point of all the enemies. This is a GREAT staging point to kick some ass

1 ea pile of HOOAH!

There is that SFC Douglas Duckett --- and that is why this is such a bitter pill to swallow.

But great training!

It was great training for asymmetrical warfare, I believe we may need to pay attention to linear warfare with the threat in the South Pacific. Maybe revisit Gen. Stillwell, Patton and McArthur memoirs.

From what I've been hearing, that's the direction our training is supposed to be shifting back to. Too many linear threats in the world right now. Ivan's acting up (not that that's unusual), and Kim Jong Un is determined to make a name for himself somehow. Hopefully it'll all blow over, but to not be training just in case it doesn't would be a bad thing.

Kim Jong Un has a name already, Moron seems appropriate (have you seen his hair cut?).