Posted on Sep 18, 2016
Does White Privilege exist? If so, do you think White Supremacy exists also?
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I know I'm probably playing with fire and causing people to be uncomfortable, but I can honestly sit and have this conversation with anyone and not get upset. I just want to know peoples views who served and who is currently serving now. If you don't think any of it exist please explain why. Thanks
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This is a challenging subject and possibly better discussed in a different forum. White privilege has been studied in academia since at least the 1970s. Recent discussions in social media have made the general US population more aware of the term, but not all aspects of white privilege and the criticisms of it. To your question:
Yes white privilege exists in the US and in other majority-white societies. Most people who carry the privilege are unaware of it or see no reason to be concerned about it. What is perceived as white privilege may be economic or class privilege and not based entirely on race. For example white privilege appears to not apply to lower economic strata of white people. Also, the lack of white privilege appears to be of little true concern to non-white people in upper economic levels. This supports the concept that white privilege may be a race-based view of economic privilege. Classes as an organizational concept in American society have decreased in importance in the post-industrial era. It looks like there is a ruling class composed of professional politicians, major contributors and advisors to those politicians. The population may be stratified into classes based on economic success, i.e., wealth. Non-white people are represented in the ruling political class, e.g., President Obama, and the wealthy, but a majority of these groups are white.
An important criticism on white privilege is confusion of rights with privileges. What minority groups view as a majority group privilege may be a right that all people should enjoy. Examples include freedom of speech and assembly. White people may be able speak more freely in terms of time and location than some minority people. This isn't privilege, it's unequal enjoyment of a right that should be available to all. The distinction is important because it governs the way government policy is applied to equalize opportunities or enforce rights.
White supremacy is a form of racism. It has been greatly suppressed in the US since the 1960s. Although it isn't completely erased, it's my white opinion that it's no longer a major problem.
Yes white privilege exists in the US and in other majority-white societies. Most people who carry the privilege are unaware of it or see no reason to be concerned about it. What is perceived as white privilege may be economic or class privilege and not based entirely on race. For example white privilege appears to not apply to lower economic strata of white people. Also, the lack of white privilege appears to be of little true concern to non-white people in upper economic levels. This supports the concept that white privilege may be a race-based view of economic privilege. Classes as an organizational concept in American society have decreased in importance in the post-industrial era. It looks like there is a ruling class composed of professional politicians, major contributors and advisors to those politicians. The population may be stratified into classes based on economic success, i.e., wealth. Non-white people are represented in the ruling political class, e.g., President Obama, and the wealthy, but a majority of these groups are white.
An important criticism on white privilege is confusion of rights with privileges. What minority groups view as a majority group privilege may be a right that all people should enjoy. Examples include freedom of speech and assembly. White people may be able speak more freely in terms of time and location than some minority people. This isn't privilege, it's unequal enjoyment of a right that should be available to all. The distinction is important because it governs the way government policy is applied to equalize opportunities or enforce rights.
White supremacy is a form of racism. It has been greatly suppressed in the US since the 1960s. Although it isn't completely erased, it's my white opinion that it's no longer a major problem.
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Ozzie Smith, the former Cardinal Hall-of-famer was asked about growing up poor and how it affects him today. His comment was correct. He said, "you cannot worry about which, you never had'.
Imagine of all things that a country a singer and a black man did not see race, but overcame it. Most who opine have no idea of what they talk. Weren't born in the era of Jim Crow or it's implications. While those who have left out, I feel badly for that. That has nothing to do with me. So tell me' is this the right direction to go? Is it? Or does make you feel better about yourself. Let's stop divisiveness based an color and let's start doing.
While in Durham, while homeless, I was at a soup kitchen there and a black gentleman told me that he was a former Airman. I said, "trust me, I hear that". He was being treated by an LEO. People, white, black, Asian all have to make it. Whether it is the loss of a baby (one pound baby) mine and all sorts of people deal with that. Nolan Richardson lost his daughter due to leukemia. We talked and shared our sadness. The NCAA went after John Chaney, John Thompson, Nolan Richardson and so many more black coaches and you know it was racism. But that said, we keep turning the pages and unless we are whole, we are divided.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RtZXFhQ02U
Imagine of all things that a country a singer and a black man did not see race, but overcame it. Most who opine have no idea of what they talk. Weren't born in the era of Jim Crow or it's implications. While those who have left out, I feel badly for that. That has nothing to do with me. So tell me' is this the right direction to go? Is it? Or does make you feel better about yourself. Let's stop divisiveness based an color and let's start doing.
While in Durham, while homeless, I was at a soup kitchen there and a black gentleman told me that he was a former Airman. I said, "trust me, I hear that". He was being treated by an LEO. People, white, black, Asian all have to make it. Whether it is the loss of a baby (one pound baby) mine and all sorts of people deal with that. Nolan Richardson lost his daughter due to leukemia. We talked and shared our sadness. The NCAA went after John Chaney, John Thompson, Nolan Richardson and so many more black coaches and you know it was racism. But that said, we keep turning the pages and unless we are whole, we are divided.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RtZXFhQ02U
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No. It is a myth that has been advanced by the left to demonize white people for sins of over 160 years ago. The biggest mistake people make today is to impose our values of today on society of the 17 and 1800's. If "white privilege" exists then so does "black entitlement". You can't have one with out the other. I could easily make the case that some people feel entitled to special treatment because of skin color, gender, and orientation. I have been denied opportunities because I am a white middle aged male.
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SMSgt Dick Lulay
exactly, SSG Cranford. Once a buzzword is started it takes life and some people give it creedance and some buy into it.
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White privilege and white supremacy work hand in hand, now show me your id before you vote.
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SSG (Join to see)
So I have to show an ID to buy a weapon which is actually a right in the Constitution, and prove I am either a legal resident or US Citizen, but voting is somehow immune to that???
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CPT Pedro Meza
SSG (Join to see) - What ever you did to vote for president Bush, is what you should do to vote in November. So why change the rules???
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CPT Pedro Meza
TSgt Frank Shirley - And then you give your ballot to your sister and her daughter so that they can drop it off at the post office..
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SrA Michael Magro
Wow, bringing up voter ID. Do you know you need an ID to get into the NAACP, would you call that racist? You need ID to drive, is that racist? You need ID to get on a Military Base that racist? DO you that only the White race is privileged or racist?
What do you call Affirmation Action? How many more qualified people were turned down because of Affirmative Action?
Like I said earlier if White Privilege exist then why I am struggling? Shouldn't I be getting all these privilege handouts that my race is supposed to get.
I struggle because on my injuries not because of any race. Its time for people to stop blaming other people for their failures and start looking in the mirror.
What do you call Affirmation Action? How many more qualified people were turned down because of Affirmative Action?
Like I said earlier if White Privilege exist then why I am struggling? Shouldn't I be getting all these privilege handouts that my race is supposed to get.
I struggle because on my injuries not because of any race. Its time for people to stop blaming other people for their failures and start looking in the mirror.
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I don't think so. I think there are problems with rich people not white people. But that's my opinion and I'm sure everyone's is different.
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Are we only discussing if white privilege exists? Just curios I like what this lady has to say one thing I like to add is that our own government, in their attempt to rid racial divide and promote equality, continues to keep racial supremacy alive and well. I despise having to check any box other than one of God's children. But we are all guilty of it. A divided people are easy for the government to manipulate and control too. It's time to come together as Americans. I promise you that when some radical Islamist gets the chance to chop off your head, in the name of their peaceful tolerant religion our skin pigment will be of little concern.
http://youtu.be/HIi_sUEpQOc
http://youtu.be/HIi_sUEpQOc
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SGT (Join to see)
We are one as God's children. I appreciate that comment. That really made me feel good inside because you're the only one that made such a comment. Yes we are one, we are God's children. Man that inspired me
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sadly from what im seeing, from political stand point , I think it still exists.
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SPC Mark Brown
It was totally different during Vietnam, there were no ethnic boundaries especially in hazardous duty and hostile fire areas. I found my self in a really fuckup situation way back when, a buddy came to my aid and saved me ass. When I thnked him (over and over) his simply replied "If anyone can a Mexi-can." that meant a lot to me and I can still picture his face up close to me and hear his words like it was yesterday. Makes no difference what is on the outside, it is what is inside that counts.
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It is only playing with fire because too many people will not confront the issue: mainly what goes on inside their own heads. To get it out of one's head takes confront. The ability to look and be comfortable with what is in front of you.
Supremacy: yep, it exists. Not only white but black, nazism, transhumanism, creationism, deism, and the list goes on.
Privilege: Of course it exists. Try growing up white in a Japanese society. Try being a Tuskegee Airman in WW-II. Privilege is more of a slippery slope. I don't think I am "Privileged" because I am white, yet I've been told to my face by all colors I am. As was said elsewhere, walk a mile in my shoes. We all have our stories. We all have our journeys. Privilege is what you make of it and how you handle it. My current pursuits are very specifically open to ALL race, creeds, religious beliefs. For decades, it was predominately white. That has slowly changed as we find those who are willing to put aside the idea of "Privilege", roll up their sleeves and work just as hard as those who have already succeeded.
I you think I am "Privileged", there is nothing I can do to change your point of view *EXCEPT* walk-the-walk long enough you choose to change your view point.
Supremacy: yep, it exists. Not only white but black, nazism, transhumanism, creationism, deism, and the list goes on.
Privilege: Of course it exists. Try growing up white in a Japanese society. Try being a Tuskegee Airman in WW-II. Privilege is more of a slippery slope. I don't think I am "Privileged" because I am white, yet I've been told to my face by all colors I am. As was said elsewhere, walk a mile in my shoes. We all have our stories. We all have our journeys. Privilege is what you make of it and how you handle it. My current pursuits are very specifically open to ALL race, creeds, religious beliefs. For decades, it was predominately white. That has slowly changed as we find those who are willing to put aside the idea of "Privilege", roll up their sleeves and work just as hard as those who have already succeeded.
I you think I am "Privileged", there is nothing I can do to change your point of view *EXCEPT* walk-the-walk long enough you choose to change your view point.
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CPT Pedro Meza
And yet by the color of your skin another with similar color will tell you that you are privileged. I have been told many times by other whites that I am privileged, but when I mention that my name is Pedro, there responds is "What". I then tell them my parents are Mexican and of Native Blood, too which I keep hearing but Mexicans are dark skinned!!
During the early 1970's just before I graduated high school in 1973, I was the one that would go inside the stores in the out skirts of Los Angeles because some stores had signs that said "We Don't Serve Mexicans". I know that I am privileged because of the color of my skin and I can easily go any where in the USA where my brother who is shorter and darker then me can not. I take after my Spaniard grandfather while the rest of my brother have more of our Native appearance.
During the early 1970's just before I graduated high school in 1973, I was the one that would go inside the stores in the out skirts of Los Angeles because some stores had signs that said "We Don't Serve Mexicans". I know that I am privileged because of the color of my skin and I can easily go any where in the USA where my brother who is shorter and darker then me can not. I take after my Spaniard grandfather while the rest of my brother have more of our Native appearance.
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When I talk to people about the subject, I always ask; If you could choose to be any race/ethnicity would you choose to be an African American? Why or Why not?
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CPT Adam P.
This is an easy one for me too. I would choose to be black because I love the black culture. I love the music, the food, the church, the people I love it all and would not trade it for anything in the world. One thing that comes up in the conversation is the question about white culture. Some white people do identify with their culture, for example, Italians, Germans, etc, but there are a lot of them that say there is no black culture or what culture and any other xxx culture. There is only the American culture. Then I ask, what is American culture and I always get crickets.
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MAJ (Join to see)
I would have to agree that there are many things to celebrate about black culture yet there are many things that are wrong too,
Many rap songs today promote violence, drug dealing and rape, young girls are shown how to twerk and shake their booties, and look at the black on black violence and murder rate in places like Chicago. Also look at the black abortion rate, it's 25% of black babies are
Killed every year! This
Madness has to stop but it won't as long as it is ignored. CPT Adam P. -
Many rap songs today promote violence, drug dealing and rape, young girls are shown how to twerk and shake their booties, and look at the black on black violence and murder rate in places like Chicago. Also look at the black abortion rate, it's 25% of black babies are
Killed every year! This
Madness has to stop but it won't as long as it is ignored. CPT Adam P. -
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CPT Adam P.
MAJ (Join to see) - What about white on white crime? Asian on Asian crime? Hispanic on Hispanic crime? They are just as bad or worst. The truth of the matter is that people to commit violence against the people that are around them, however, everyone only talks about black on black crime. Why? I watch my local news and I can always guess the race of the person committing the crime. If they show a picture right away, its usually a person from the global majority. If the person is white, they don't show the picture as fast or they may not show it at all. I agree that there is to much talk about drugs and women in rap music, however, but why is that? Its all about making money. Artist like India Aire, Jill Scott Music Soulchild and so many others don't get radio play because people want to hear the fantasy rap about selling dope, running women and the living a life that everyone wish they had. I don't know how much you know about the industry or the rap culture, but I will tell you that the majority of the artist do not live the life they claim. My nephew is a local artist trying to make it big in the rap game and his record company will not allow him to post pics of his fiance on facebook because he has to maintain an image that he is a single father trying to make it selling dope and killing his rivals. The boy has never sold dope and has gotten in a few arguments, but he has never been in a fist fight. Even with all the negative press of rap music, record companies have found ways to reach those that are not black inner city youth. The two I have seen are Kidz bop and Matty B. They take popular rap and other pop songs and make them kid friendly. They change a word here or there and all of a sudden the kids in the suburbs are singing gangsta rap songs without even knowing it.
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I stumbled into this one and read the comments- great job RPers. Some great insight and maybe we've come farther than our government officials give us credit for. SGT (Join to see) do not ever stop asking the hard questions- that is how society progresses. The minute it becomes a taboo subject is when the issue arise.
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Thank you sir. I like to hear what others have to say from those who served before me and who is serving now. I always have the dream of overcoming issues that we face today because I now have a son who's only 6 months old, but I'm afraid to bring him up in a world where people avoid these types of questions and avoid conversing on topics such as the one we are discussing now. I'm not here to offend anyone or upset anyone. I just love hearing others opinions because that's the beauty of it all, everyone thinks differently from one another.
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Just an observation:
1. Not many people understand what white privilege is.
2. From what I can see, everyone denying white privilege is white.
3. If anyone were to be able to choose their race based on social advantages, I guarantee that white will be a popular choice.
4. By avoiding talking about race, it is essentially confirming racial disparity exists. POC (Who actually look like POC) know this.
For a little transparency, I grew up kinda privileged. Educated parents and middle class. I have also been homeless. Enlisting in the military, I did not think would be any more difficult for me as a minority. It became clear to me that white was the default race in America, and anything that reminds people that you are not makes people uncomfortable.
1. Not many people understand what white privilege is.
2. From what I can see, everyone denying white privilege is white.
3. If anyone were to be able to choose their race based on social advantages, I guarantee that white will be a popular choice.
4. By avoiding talking about race, it is essentially confirming racial disparity exists. POC (Who actually look like POC) know this.
For a little transparency, I grew up kinda privileged. Educated parents and middle class. I have also been homeless. Enlisting in the military, I did not think would be any more difficult for me as a minority. It became clear to me that white was the default race in America, and anything that reminds people that you are not makes people uncomfortable.
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Cpl George Crab
SSG Jessica Bautista - Jebus? As like when Homer Simpson says Jebus? I think that I have found my long lost daughter, finally!
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Cpl George Crab
SSG Jessica Bautista - Let's do coffee! But ... really? Fort Leonard Wood ... we should really get together to plan your run for office in 2024.Just think of that! My daughter, becoming President!!!
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MAJ (Join to see)
Hate on this thread? Where? I have seen a lot of differing opinions but not "hate" and differing opinions are exactly what SPC Covington asked for in his very first post on this thread? Yet it is becoming obvious that honest opinions were not what he wanted, opinions biased against whites may have been what he wanted all along.
And no I was not one of those who privately messaged him. SSG Jessica Bautista -
And no I was not one of those who privately messaged him. SSG Jessica Bautista -
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