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At an official event, I don't see a problem as long as the service member maintains their bearing. But in the picture, it just looks like a bunch of Soldiers at a local bar drinking up. With all the alcohol abuse in the military, this doesn't set the best example. It's one thing to go out celebrate. But drink a beer or maybe two and leave it at that. To be seen slinging back shot after shot after shot just sends the wrong message.
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Just a bad idea. The uniform identifies you as a member of the United States Armed Forces. Wearing the uniform means that you are a representative of the United States and you should represent our country with the correct courtesy and military bearing at all times. Drinking in public in uniform does not project the correct image. What would you think if you observed Police Officers or Firemen drinking in uniform?
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As long as its kept in control and off facebook and the MP blotter. pictures like this, while celebratory in nature, have a way of giving the wrong impression if they appear in the wrong media.
Take the photo of the soldier licking the MIA logo - that could have been part of one such celebration, but look what message that sent.
Take the photo of the soldier licking the MIA logo - that could have been part of one such celebration, but look what message that sent.
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CMSgt James Nolan
Again sir, the Dumb-Ass factor. There is an old quote that I love: The probability of someone watching you is directly proportional to the stupidity of your actions!
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1LT William Clardy
CMSgt James Nolan, I'm going to have to file the serial number off that quote in preparation for future use.
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CMSgt James Nolan
1LT William Clardy The real problem with all of this (and I have been thinking about this for some time) is that camera get introduced and pics get taken, because we love to have good memories. But nowadays those memories end up on Facebook, When that happens, they are out there for the world to interpret a "snapshot" of time. Then the world passes judgement. And, for example the posted picture-it could be that the "team" was having a shot to celebrate return from a sh#tttttty deployment; or raising a toast, as a unit to a marriage, or birth of a child; or they could be out there getting Sh#thouse drunk. We don't know, because it is a photo-so we get to make our own decisions about it.
That being said-that quote holds true for everything in life-"someone is watching"
That being said-that quote holds true for everything in life-"someone is watching"
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I have seen drinking in uniform a few times, Right Arm, Boss nights and at Dinning IN/OUTs
In the picture there are all leaders, Don't leaders always do the right thing
In the picture there are all leaders, Don't leaders always do the right thing
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My question is -- how does this impact the good order and discipline of the unit, or of units whose personnel see this? I think this would have a negative impact in that regard. If these were junior enlisted personnel, my guess is that in many cases they would face consequences within the unit and get scuffed up by their first line supervisors.
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my train of thought is if I wanted to go out and have a beer or a shot or 2 then I need to change into civilian attire.
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There is only ONE exception for this for me personally and that is Dining In. Other than that, I never have and I never will. Just my personal opinion.
Why? The media loves to show the "Out of control Military" and when it comes to our troops and these last 12 years of war, I would say it's been 80% Negative and 20% positive displayed in the media. I am not willing to assist in tarnishing the reputation of our Military in any way.
Second... Self control! If I need to drink that bad, I can also change clothes to do it. Five minutes changing clothes beats the hell out of someone taking pictures in an establishment without me knowing and claiming "They are out of control" because someone laughed at a joke with a glass in his hand. 2015... perception is everything!
Why? The media loves to show the "Out of control Military" and when it comes to our troops and these last 12 years of war, I would say it's been 80% Negative and 20% positive displayed in the media. I am not willing to assist in tarnishing the reputation of our Military in any way.
Second... Self control! If I need to drink that bad, I can also change clothes to do it. Five minutes changing clothes beats the hell out of someone taking pictures in an establishment without me knowing and claiming "They are out of control" because someone laughed at a joke with a glass in his hand. 2015... perception is everything!
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I personally never see it OK to drink in front of your Soldiers even at a military function. We try so hard to make excuses in today's society for what we want to do to be ok, but what we fail to do now days is uphold that image of honor, respect, dignity, and perception that you can have fun and not have to include alcohol to do it. The first thing that happens when a military ball rolls around are Hospitality rooms and the competition to see which chain of command can put on the best room. What is the image we are portraying, we have a zero policy but yet we offer SM alcohol at a military function and then don't mandate they spend the night there, we don't even monitor their intake or give breathalyzers prior to leaving, but we sure will write someone up quick, fast and in a hurry if they are stopped for a DUI. We leaders need to display the values and behaviors we expect our Soldiers to uphold and show them that it does not require alcohol at an event to have a good time.
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