Posted on Jun 4, 2015
LTC Stephen F.
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I try to give back to the people of this nation as I am able. I used to donate blood regularly; but because I was stationed in Germany in the early 1980's when some beef in military mess halls came from cows with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) [Mad Cow] I can no longer donate blood because we have become infected with Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease." I learned recently that people with HIV can now donate blood - per conversation with Red Cross POC, efforts were funded to come up with a way that HIV positive people can donate blood. That saddened me and made me mad. Bovine spongiform can only be tested through autopsy right now. Many of those of us who served in Europe during the latter part of the cold war have not been able to donate blood. I hope that NIH will make in a priority and obtain funding to develop ways to test for bovine spongiform in people through a blood test.
[Note: I updated the question from "veterans" to "Veterans and service members" on June 6, 2015 - 71st anniversary of D Day - Operation Overlord]

[update May 18, 2018] As of 2017, worldwide 230 people, roughly 180 in the UK have been infected with vCJD and 4 people in the USA have been infected.

Mad Cow and VCJD are nervous system diseases which are based on diseased prions [not the car]. Diseased prions binds to proteins and converts them to prions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxojz6grwcU

Thanks to 1SG (Join to see) for alerting me that "there is progress in the development of methods to detect misfolded proteins in the bloodstream" I did research and found the following at an NIH site.
As this article informs us there has been progress in control groups testing of "developed blood tests to detect prion." The article states that there are plans to "validate their methods using larger samples sizes."
Hopefully this process will be successful to detect whether or not we have been infected by Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease."


"Prion diseases are a group of rare, fatal brain diseases that affect animals and humans. They are caused by normally harmless proteins that become abnormal and form clumps in the brain. One form, called variant CJD (vCJD), is associated with eating meat from cattle infected with bovine spongiform encephalopathy, commonly known as “mad cow” disease.

People may have vCJD for years before symptoms—such as depression, hallucinations, moving difficulties, and dementia—appear. These “silent” carriers have small amounts of prions in their bloodstreams and can transmit the disease to others via blood transfusions. The only current method to diagnose vCJD is to perform a biopsy or a postmortem analysis of brain tissue. Thus, a noninvasive test to detect prions in blood is a medical priority.

Two research groups recently developed blood tests to detect prions. The results appeared in a pair of papers published on December 21, 2016, in Science Translational Medicine. One of the groups, led by Dr. Claudio Soto of the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston, was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS), and National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences (NCATS).

Prions are scarce in the bloodstream and difficult to measure. Both teams developed methods to amplify the prions in blood samples using a technique called protein misfolding cyclic amplification (PMCA). PMCA relies on the characteristic nature of prions to cause certain healthy proteins to clump abnormally and convert into prions.

Soto’s group first combined healthy proteins with known concentrations of infectious vCJD prions. They intermittently agitated these mixtures with sound waves. The agitation helped break the prions into smaller chunks. This increased the number of prions that could then convert healthy proteins into prions. Using this method, the scientists were able to detect more than a billion-fold dilution of prions using an anti-prion antibody.

The scientists next tested whether the technique could be used to detect prions in blood samples from 14 people with vCJD and 153 controls. The controls included healthy people as well as people with different neurological or neurodegenerative disorders, including sporadic CJD, the most common form of CJD. The assay flagged all the vCJD samples correctly.

In the second paper, a French research group described a similar approach testing a blinded panel of blood samples. That team identified 18 vCJD patients in a group of 256 samples.

“Our findings, which need to be confirmed in further studies, suggest that our method of detection could be useful for the noninvasive diagnosis of this disease in pre-symptomatic individuals,” Soto says. Early diagnosis would allow potential therapies to be tested before substantial brain damage occurred. This technique would also allow blood contaminated with prions to be detected and removed from the blood supply.

Both teams are now working to validate their methods using larger samples sizes.
―by Anita Ramanathan
nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/new-method-accurately-detects-prions-blood



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SSG Infantryman
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I was told a few years ago that I couldn't donate blood because I got the entire series of anthrax shots. Maybe the lady at the sign up table was being a dingbat because I don't see how that's a bad thing.

I will have to ask again at the next blood drive here at Benning.
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CPT Alan W.
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Gay men can't donate blood, doesn't matter of status. I would donate if ARC would take it.
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CPT Bruce Beattie
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It has nothing to do with someone being gay and everything to do with long incubation periods and significantly increased risks that accompany some forms of sex practiced among gay men!
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LTC Stephen F.
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CPT Alan W., when I called the Red Cross two months ago the POC told me the prohibition against HIV positive had been lifted. The Red Cross information posted by Sgt Anthony Bussing still prohibits HIV positive people from donating blood.
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CPT Alan W.
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CPT Beattie and LTC Ford, The question to me from the ARC was, "have you ever had sex with a man". My understanding is that now they are asking guys if they "had sex with a man in the previous 12 months". Whether it's fair or not, it's a standard I'm not willing to meet.

I supposed I should have said, "As a gay man, who's not willing to give up sex and intimacy, I can't donate blood". I'm not particularly disappointed about it, I'd still donate otherwise.

Both are great comments!!
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CPT Bruce Beattie - It does have everything to do with the sexual preferences and the homophobia of the ARC. Te assume that if you are gay and have sex with other men you are in danger of having AIDS or HIV - Makes no difference if yu have had the same partner for years or not ! (No I am not gay but i do have Gay friends and relatives and see this as discrimination.)
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SSG Mark Ives
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3 tours to Germany from late 70's to early 90's, so American Red Cross said same about mad cow threat to blood supply. Which is unfortunate because I am O negative and used to give blood regularly.
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LTC Stephen F.
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SSG Mark Ives, The Red Cross POC told me similar news, POC told me there is no end date for my restriction to donate blood based on my potential exposure to Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE). She informed me that HIV had a higher priority for research so "they" developed a screening method for HIV and have been allowing HIV positive people to donate blood since that point.
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Because I deployed multiple times to multiple third world countries, I am currently restricted from giving blood. The last was Afghanistan, and if I remember correctly, I have to have been back from that country and clean/clear of disease for at least 7 years, which will be 2018 for me. As for BSE: If you consumed beef in the 1980's, you'd be dead by now if it was infected with BSE and you contracted CJD from that. Otherwise, you're clean as far as that is concerned and the RC shouldn't have any issue with it anymore.
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LTC Stephen F.: That's odd about the BSE and the 80's, cause I spent much of my childhood in Germany every summer - would visit my grandparents - from the time I was 8 in 1975 until I was 16 in 1981. I also went over to visit in 1988. Never been denied by the RC or any other agency from donating blood or plasma. In fact, the first time I got told I couldn't donate was in 2005 after a deployment in Africa - because of Africa. Not saying you're mistaken here - just odd that I was allowed to donate regularly until '05 - they probably changed the rules at some point. Also, as I understand it, yes, BSE can lie dormant, but normally does not (becoming CJD). I remember reading a medical study on that about a month ago (no, I'm not a doc - I have my reasons for that though). There are a few people who are also apparently immune to some prion diseases - most notably some members of the indigenous tribes of Papua New Guinea, but only a few.
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LTC Stephen F.
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SFC (Join to see), the issue with BCE in Germany was limited to military mess halls because of a contract with British beef which was a major supplier of beef to the military Dining facilities. My family is British and my British cousins have never had issues with donating blood.
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LTC Stephen F.: That explains it. I was not exposed to British beef in my years over there. Thanks!
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LTC Stephen F.
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It is my pleasure to let you know SFC (Join to see): but, I am not glad that because I ate some meals in the Military Dining Facilities in Germany I can't donate blood.
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CPT Bruce Rodgers
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Too much of my stomach and upper intestine had to be removed so they told me it would make very ill if I were to give blood, guess I can't spare any
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LTC Stephen F.
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I am sorry to learn that CPT Bruce Rodgers, I had six inches or so removed from my colon. I expected to lose weight but only lost an ounce since most of our weight is based on liquid weight.
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Same reason here....I was stationed in Germany for 8 years and I cannot give blood. MOooOooOooOooOooOoo!!!!!
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LTC Stephen F.
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SFC (Join to see) I am sorry to learn that you too are prohibited from giving blood. I suspect there are hundreds of thousands of us in the "same boat."
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MSgt Michael Durkee
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Yes, I'm one of the many Veterans that is banned from giving blood because I was stationed in England during the Mad Cow Disease epidemic. It's frustrating not being able to donate for both the health aspect of making room for "fresh blood" in my body and not being able to help those that would benefit from blood in a crisis.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thanks MSgt Michael Durkee I concur and I too miss being able to donate blood.
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Maj Chris Nelson
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I am banned from blood donation. I was in Europe in the 1980s for Mad Cow Disease, was in Saudi/Kuwait during Desert Shield/Storm, Iraq for OIF, and Afghanistan for OEF. Before the bans were put in place for some of these locations, I was denied one time for a tattoo less then 6 months old. I miss it, but it is what it is. My dad continues to donate at the age of 82 on a regular basis, but he has not done/been to many of the places I have been.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Maj Chris Nelson, I am glad to learn that your 82 year old dad can still donate blood. I certainly hope that accurate blood screening methods are developed and that methods will be developed so that people like yourself can donate blood with some useful products made available from your blood - perhaps they won't be able to use blood components but hopefully they will be able to use some.
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Since they still don't have a reliable test to detect mad cow, anyone living in Western Europe for more than five years cumulative since 1980 is deferred from donating blood.
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LTC Stephen F.
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As far as I know CW3 (Join to see) the restrictions were for military members, family and DoD civilians that ate on military bases based on the risk of bovine spongiform on British beef cattle. I did not think it applied to the broader populations. For instance my family is British and all of my counsins have lived in western Europe for the past 50 years yet they are not restricted from donating blood - granted a couple are vegetarians.
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No, LTC Stephen F. it's a restriction across the board.
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SGT Darryl Allen
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Being an aircraft crewmember prohibits me from donating due to the risks of hypoxia during flight. I'm not really sure of the science behind it, but I'm assuming it has to do with having less blood means less cells to carry oxygen and in oxygen starved altitudes it further impedes your body's ability to supply oxygen to the brain.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thanks for letting us know SGT Darryl Allen, I was unaware of a restriction for flight crew members to donate blood. I suspect this is limited to flight crew members and pilots that don't have pressurized work areas with steady supplies of oxygen, etc.
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LTC Stephen F. I think so sir. I have no knowledge of the fixed wing side of aviation but our rotary wing aircraft do not have Oxygen supplies unless necessitated by mission, and that is exceedingly uncommon.
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