Posted on Jun 12, 2019
I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
Edited 6 y ago
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Go to PT. Remember in the military combat does not operate on an alarm clock.
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Go assault a follow on objective after being up for three days. ..
Two Days Later. Upon return to base. Head back to the flight line. ODA got a hit on an HVT. We're blocking the Paki border for the next two days.
Two Days Later. Upon return to base. Head back to the flight line. ODA got a hit on an HVT. We're blocking the Paki border for the next two days.
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LOL Go to PT. pretty cut and dry to me.
Back in the day, we would go down Academy Blvd in Colorado Springs, on sunday nights. One of the clubs was ladies night on Sundays. We would get back to Carson around 2 or 3am...totally blitzed.
We would get maybe 2 hrs of sleep....and would make our way to the aid station, which was in the courtyard of the barracks area. Our boy would then hook us up with some 'combat IV's". then we would walk out right as PT formation was happening...and we would push through it :)
Back in the day, we would go down Academy Blvd in Colorado Springs, on sunday nights. One of the clubs was ladies night on Sundays. We would get back to Carson around 2 or 3am...totally blitzed.
We would get maybe 2 hrs of sleep....and would make our way to the aid station, which was in the courtyard of the barracks area. Our boy would then hook us up with some 'combat IV's". then we would walk out right as PT formation was happening...and we would push through it :)
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So what you're telling me is you'd be done with PT by 630ish yes?
Not the most inconvenient schedule, but it's not unmanageable. I suggest you quit ... as you put it .... complaining, and soldier on. You've got plenty of time to sleep; it's just not an "ideal" day.
If it bothers you that much, talk to you immediate supervisors about talking with the 1SG, and don't get your hopes up.
Not the most inconvenient schedule, but it's not unmanageable. I suggest you quit ... as you put it .... complaining, and soldier on. You've got plenty of time to sleep; it's just not an "ideal" day.
If it bothers you that much, talk to you immediate supervisors about talking with the 1SG, and don't get your hopes up.
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I read all the replies and many many said basically "Suck It Up Buttercup" BUT...Consider This guy works at a hospital...do you really want a guy that for what ever reason did not get a good nights' sleep giving you an enema or a urine catheter? Or God Forbid the wrong dose of Ultra Colon Blow Stool Softener? NO NO NO, change PT time so that they get some sleep before they come after you with the razor before surgery or next thing you know you might be an involuntary transgenner.
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Suck it up cupcake it's not that big a deal. If you think this is a big problem. Just wait you haven't seen anything yet in life.
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SPC Roger Opfer
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So, you get the hours between 0000 and 0530 to rest. Then, you have to PT, followed by some time to shower and eat breakfast. Let’s say that you complete all of this by 0900. From your description, this means you have another 9 hours of your own time?
Go PT.
Go PT.
You want to solve this issue effectively and professionally? QUIT Whining and and follow your last order. Or get out!
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Take your behind to PT. Suck it up buttercup. You must be a millennial
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The demand you attend PT at 0530 is not unreasonable. That gives you at least 5 hours to sleep, and plenty of time to go back to sleep before you return to work at 1600. Others here are absolutely correct. When/if you deploy, you may get only 4-5 hours sleep anyway, with no time to get anymore. Welcome to adulting, military style.
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PO2 Joseph Fast
This right here is the exact kind of leadership I have come to expect out of chiefs! Well done. You took to the indoctrination well. Fuck anyone who isn't a chief. There could be a simple solution like "work out before your shift or after your shift like everyone else in the command does", but you're a chief! You don't bother with shit like that. Take that reasonable request and throw it in the trash because it didn't come from another chief. But if a chief has the same problem, let's use that solution for them. You are one of the best chiefs and why I respect them so much. Good Job chief.
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Spending their entire careers on deployment schedule isn't the way we take care of our own.
I've had Sailors who had to work split shifts or work the flight schedule... at sea. I would never consider recalling a Sailor five hours after the end of the work day as a matter of daily routine. That's what we're talking about - not deployment or combat.
I've had Sailors who had to work split shifts or work the flight schedule... at sea. I would never consider recalling a Sailor five hours after the end of the work day as a matter of daily routine. That's what we're talking about - not deployment or combat.
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SSG Bill McCoy
Chief, there can be solution to her concerns that probably involve others within her Company or Battalion. How about having PT with others who might be in her situation and a group could do remedial PT at a more viable time with a Sqd Ldr or other NCO.
The issue is tantamount to a split shift which when necessary to complete a specific mission is fine ... but not for a daily routine in garrison (i.e., non-deployed).
Another consideration is that she's a Lab Tech and that's one MOS that requires a great deal of attention to detail. Getting it wrong, could easily compromise a doctor's patient and how they treat them with meds, etc.
The issue is tantamount to a split shift which when necessary to complete a specific mission is fine ... but not for a daily routine in garrison (i.e., non-deployed).
Another consideration is that she's a Lab Tech and that's one MOS that requires a great deal of attention to detail. Getting it wrong, could easily compromise a doctor's patient and how they treat them with meds, etc.
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Yeah.. you solve it by getting out. I don't see an issue. either suck it up buttercup or get a DD-214.
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Two questions. 1). Was that 4-5 hours sleep in one night? 2). Are you in an American Army unit? I must have been born in the wrong century and/or served in another army in a land far, far away. In that army 4-5 hours sleep in a single night was when one was home on leave. We never suffered sunburn during PT in that PT formations were always at 0 dark 30 hours. The only exception to early morning PT was in Ranger School. If there was a rain storm or blizzard you can bet that damn SFC Artez would stop everything and call a PT formation. One good thing about that army was that we did not have to worry about what army regulations said or did not say. If the 1SG did not know the regulation in question he would just ask the SGM! Soldier/Cop/Grunt, Retired
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SPC, the situation does suck. Night shift sucks because many on days either don't know or don't remember what lifestyle changes have to be made while working shift. We were frequently called in during the day and on days off for musters and ceremonies, or other reasons that aren't relevant here. If you plan on getting enough sleep, working nights means pretty much dropping out of the rest of the world, which some guys loved. I personally didn't. Keep in mind, for the upper chain, face time with their troops is important and chances are they don't get to see you when your on nights. They are also responsible for your physical readiness, which can be a real concern for those on nights. During my time on nights I had small children so I simply didn't get as much sleep as some of the single folks. You are left with few options here, as I see it, and communication is key. One option is having a daily section PT in lieu of company PT. This will have to be negotiated, but if your 1SG is open minded it could happen. One way to convince him is to show up to company PT periodically, say once a month or even once a week, and the rest of the time do section PT. This will at least give your section a little leeway on when PT is done. Your PT may have to be documented and invite your 1SG to your sessions if he buys off on it. It will give him a warm and fuzzy that it is getting done and will also give him some face time with you. If he doesn't buy off on it then you are stuck until you rotate back to days. Good luck.
A young enlisted person should be able to manage doing 0530 PT and after that is completed, head home, have some "dinner" around 0800, go to bed and *then* head to work. You have to be responsible as you are in the military and part of a group. You are expected to be in good physical condition and this is the way to keep it on track.
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PO2 Joseph Fast
Do you really not see a solution that doesn't interrupt her sleep cycle 1/2 way in? I do. Waking up 1/2 through your sleep cycle has NOTHING to do with staying fit. That last sentence is to help you come up with a solution in case you couldn't figure one out.
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Man up and get it done. What, you gonna tell the enemy you’ve only had 4 or 5 hours of sleep so you can’t fight? Change your panties for some men pants and soldier up.
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PO2 Joseph Fast
You're commenting to a female.......
And don't even pretend like you weren't insulting a man by calling him a woman. Learn to read mate. Actually listening is the first step to becoming a great leader.
And don't even pretend like you weren't insulting a man by calling him a woman. Learn to read mate. Actually listening is the first step to becoming a great leader.
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Wah, wah...wah, wah, wah, wahhhh. Many sad face emojis. :(
With respect to the medical community, you're a specialist on a night shift. I doubt you're being over-stressed or overworked. Someone previously mentioned time management. Consider this before you try to dig up a AR to toss in the face of your 1SG. If you decide to remain in after your first enlistment, you will doubtless end up in assignments where 4-5 hours will seem to be a luxury.
With respect to the medical community, you're a specialist on a night shift. I doubt you're being over-stressed or overworked. Someone previously mentioned time management. Consider this before you try to dig up a AR to toss in the face of your 1SG. If you decide to remain in after your first enlistment, you will doubtless end up in assignments where 4-5 hours will seem to be a luxury.
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And before you bring on the "blame-throwers", I served nearly 18 yrs enlisted before my commission. I'm wearing asbestos underwear. ;)
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Are you kidding me I wake up for formation at 0630 and get off at 1700 this ain't shit excuse my french this is the army you are to follow your first sgt no matter what if he or she says hey 0530 you better get use to it god damn your in the army as a pog I'm an infantryman you better start shaping instead of being a whinny bitch excuse my french and behavior I hate people who complain
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PO2 Joseph Fast
Wow, you suck at math. Why don't I put it into perspective for you. Imagine your schedule, but PT is at 0100 in the morning. Hopefully that helps you understand what the problem was. Would you try to ask to be allowed to PT at 0630 if your command wanted you to drive into work at 0030 to PT at 0100?
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What's your point?? 4 to 5 hrs of sleep was plenty of sleep prior to PT when I was enlisted a few years ago. In fact it was nothing for us to run PT with 3 or less hrs of sleep, not by choice, most of the time either. We had a work schedule and for the most, we stuck to that schedule. Don't have more important things to whine about besides PT? Years back, when I was still active, as lower enlisted, we never had the luxury of "explaining" ourselves. Orders were issued and we followed them. There is one regulation, as I recall, that covers everything you've cried about here. That reg is called :UCMJ. You appear to be living proof that the Army is not for everybody.
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