Posted on Jun 12, 2019
I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
Edited 6 y ago
Posted 6 y ago
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Regs leave plenty of room to F over Soldiers. Seek resolution from the chain of command. Just start from the bottom and work your way up until you get resolution. Be sure to present alternate, workable options such as your section doing PT separately.
You can also use your operational chain of command to solicit support. A doc might mention casually to the Company Commander that his PR program is adversely affecting the performance of your section.
If you work this issue in good faith and get no resolution, perhaps you can take comfort in being the 50 millionth US Army Soldier to endure a shitty situation. Our sacrifice of our freedoms for the benefit of others is a huge part of why we get respect from civilians.
You can also use your operational chain of command to solicit support. A doc might mention casually to the Company Commander that his PR program is adversely affecting the performance of your section.
If you work this issue in good faith and get no resolution, perhaps you can take comfort in being the 50 millionth US Army Soldier to endure a shitty situation. Our sacrifice of our freedoms for the benefit of others is a huge part of why we get respect from civilians.
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Sorry to say but you are whining. Even if you do only get 4 hours of sleep, it should be plenty of rest for PT. My group used to work a 2,2,2 & 80 shift. After our eve shift (1600-2400) we’d , shower, change & go out till the clubs closed. Get breakfast & PT. Yes it was only twice a shift but I was 32 yrs old & did it without fail!
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Are you serious? You’re not serious. Please say you’re just trolling. Get some fortitude. I’m embarrassed just reading this utter whining.
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Sgt Ian Osborne
I’m 47 years old. I ran 20 miles this night and day at a 7:15 second average pace. Ragnar. We tried to sleep in a van. I’m no longer serving. But reading your whining makes me glad I don’t have to serve with such weakness.
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Jesus I was a 1SG of a medical company in combat and they ran the only clinic on the FOB 24 hours a day (12 hour shifts) so I have some basic knowledge and experience. My Soldiers did PT and managed well. The one thing no one is mentioning is he has over 16 hours of off time. Sure after shift it may be hard to sleep (too worked up to sleep) so do PT it'll help relieve stress and I promise you will sleep well after. I'm 49 now retired I can hardly sleep past 0500 and I go all day but trust if I can get 30 minutes sleep now and then I do it. I wanna call out SOFT ASS ARMY but I have kids in their 20s so I get it and like I tell them you chose your job when the time comes and you wanna change it, it's your choice. Until then suck it up buttercup and get it when you can!
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The 1SG noticed? Shoot if only five Soldiers showed up to PT I wouldn't just notice I'd be furious. I was a 1SG in two totally different companies. Last time I checked an APFT is mandatory and you must pass (if not eventual chapter 13) to be promoted etc. So the next thing you'll say is I do PT on my own, ok does everybody so PT on their own, and do they all pass? The 1SG job among a million is to ensure their Soldiers are trained which includes passing the APFT. And 4 or 5 hours of sleep are you kidding me? There was times I didn't sleep all because of mission. So without out sounding like you're winning, you can forget. The enemy don't care how much sleep you did or did not get SOLDIER UP! And you have plenty plenty plenty of time to sleep maybe between 0000 to 0500 isn't enough (for most it is) but what the heck are you doing after PT until 1600....yeah WHINNING!
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Are you fucking serious?
What a whiny li'l bitch you are. If you get away with this, then what's next? "I was up late watching a movie"... blah, blah, blah.
You've got the whole rest of the day, take a nap before your 16:00 shift and grow a pair.
What a whiny li'l bitch you are. If you get away with this, then what's next? "I was up late watching a movie"... blah, blah, blah.
You've got the whole rest of the day, take a nap before your 16:00 shift and grow a pair.
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1) Welcome to the Army, Buttercup. Suck it up and drive on.
2) Get your 4 hours of sleep, do your PT, then go back to sleep if you are allowed.
3) If you are not allowed to get more beauty sleep, refer to #1.
2) Get your 4 hours of sleep, do your PT, then go back to sleep if you are allowed.
3) If you are not allowed to get more beauty sleep, refer to #1.
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I remember seeing some pretty rough mornings after drinking that strong German beer until closing time and then trying to do the Wednesday morning 5 mile run.... All the other days it was only a two mile run and doing that hungover was standard procedure, but after getting soused before the Wednesday 5 miler was always painful. I was so sick a couple of times, to the point of dying, I dropped out blaming it on my bum knee... There was really no getting out of it beforehand lol.... Sound off! Oh, and wth, 4 or 5 hours of sleep would have been a good nights sleep lol..... I'm talking get home at 3 and up at 5.....
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I'm so glad I no longer have to put up with the whims of idiots proving a point, that point usually being how important they are.
It's a hospital whomever it is works at. Not everyone has to be hardcore like front line infantry, SEALs and pilots. I would personally prefer rested, happy, non-resentful and not pissed off at the world in general junior enlisted looking after me If I were in the hospital. Instead of boosting someone's ego, or putting somebody's stamp on the situation, in the middle of their night.
I don't really care if they are in tip top shape unless they are combat medics in a war. First Sergeant undoubtedly works day shift as does the CC. I wonder how they would like having PT at 22:30 every day.
Making everyone prove they can bleed to improve one's image, either the !sgt or the CC.
It's a hospital whomever it is works at. Not everyone has to be hardcore like front line infantry, SEALs and pilots. I would personally prefer rested, happy, non-resentful and not pissed off at the world in general junior enlisted looking after me If I were in the hospital. Instead of boosting someone's ego, or putting somebody's stamp on the situation, in the middle of their night.
I don't really care if they are in tip top shape unless they are combat medics in a war. First Sergeant undoubtedly works day shift as does the CC. I wonder how they would like having PT at 22:30 every day.
Making everyone prove they can bleed to improve one's image, either the !sgt or the CC.
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5 people?? ur kidding....infantry we ran 3 miles every day except Monday..we ran 5 on Monday. First Monday of the month we ran 7 in a Battalion run. that was after our morning PT. you never missed PT even if you had a broken leg. They would have remedial PT for those who were injured. I do believe the Military is still all Volenteers. You signed up for it. deal with it.
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Go to morning PT. Sleep after. When I was in, we had to run PT at 6:00 AM, M-F, unless we had sick call or a medical profile.
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You need to check your Duty Regulations. When I was Active Duty Air Force, working in the Base Hospital as an E-4, I pulled many 16-hour shifts, had time for 3 Meals & got about 4-hours of sleep each day, because the duty demanded that! No Regulations were violated & as a unit supervisor I set the example for those working in my section.
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That bites, Are you off from 0000-1600? Sounds like work 1600-0000, sleep some, do PT, then sleep some more. BTW no one cares you are SPC(P), SPC works just fine.
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Honestly, when I was in the fleet, those of us in the carrier's engine rooms were on a 4 and 8 watch rotation ... four hours on and eight hours off. This sounds pretty good except that I said watch rotation. In addition to those 8 hours of watches, we had our regular workday to deal with. When standing watch you monitored engine room machinery, placed equipment online and took it off, maintained operating logs, and so on. During the workday, you did preventive maintenance, repairs, cleaning, and so on. It was uncommon to ever get eight hours of sleep, and six was often a luxury. You had to make your sleep fit into the schedule -- most of us made do with two shorter periods of sleep.
That said, some commands take diligence to the level of abuse. I can remember being so tired that I once fell asleep during General Quarters -- the Lieutenant wanted to write me up but the Master Chief advised that the charge would never stick since I was standing upright at the time. The command couldn't figure out why retention was so bad....
That said, some commands take diligence to the level of abuse. I can remember being so tired that I once fell asleep during General Quarters -- the Lieutenant wanted to write me up but the Master Chief advised that the charge would never stick since I was standing upright at the time. The command couldn't figure out why retention was so bad....
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