Navy female Officers videoed on sub while showering.

On a secondary note, I heavily disagree with those who are berating PO1 Walter Duncan. What he stated is accurate and indicative of the problem overall. He is NOT trivializing what occurred but highlighting the resulting extreme uber overreactions to egregious behavior. Let me be absolutely clear, there is NO room for behavior such as the above incident and the likes but, as PO1 Duncan alluded to, turning around and prosecuting and labeling someone as a sex offender for "peeing" in their backyard is ludicrous at best and insidious at worst. There has to be a clear undeniable and enforceable standard for behavior that does not envelop the truly trivial and innocuous behavior.

I think, unfortunately there is a conflict. My comments pertaining to the sub situation and an overreaction in the civilian world of stupid acts of youngsters that do not require charges that should follow them a lifetime have received more interaction than I expected. Some feel one and the other are the same, far from it. This is what occurs with different topics on social media, people take an opinion as fact and run. When not knowing the actual intent behind the conversation. I have had several people concur more things about my intent on 1 topic than I have had in a long time. These are reasons in the military we have panels that have live review panels to interview an individuals knowledge, it removes any doubt. On paper an answer may be in question , but live in person you can remove any question you may have. Civilians have court, but normally legislatures make laws and normally the majority of that is done by attorneys and that is why it is so screwed. Just remember social media is a forum, not a BBQ, your opinion does not have weight, regardless of how much you may scream it does not make it right. Finally, I hope, your opinion is encouraged by all, but remember there are more to words than the type and more to type than paper. Today they have a viral affect, which can take a minor opinion or phrase and it become some social-economic rant. Technology is not always better if the users are not compatible with the systems.

UNfortunately PO1 Walter Duncan - even in a live panel discussion the person being interviewed about a specific event or situation can (and often 'does') lie or deny the truth until confronted with overwhelming evidence about his (or her) 'take' on the matter. For the most part, I agree with you but it's very difficult to predict an outcome strictly from logic, as not everyone thinks on the same plain as most others. As far as Lawyers go - remember that old joke? "What do you call a thousand Lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? ----------------------------- A start"!

Baked Chicken Dinner.

Wow. Dan. Good gracious! SMH

Capt Porter, concur!

I fill like the things that happen in our military now and days is two mainstream. It's all about politics now. Whatever is best for political views. Not the victims. Things are not like they were even ten years ago. The navy and military in general has gotten soft and gone away from what our four fathers made the navy to be. Now we let anyone in and are more focused on what everyone fills is far or hurts there fillings that we don't set the hard line truth. Your a war fighter if your emotions are getting in the way of your duties as a U.S. Sailor Then Get The F*ck out of my navy and be like the rest of the world. Otherwise take what you do with honor, comet to what is written in blood from our four fathers, and have the courage to stand up and protect those who served or serve beside you MAN or Woman. And enuf with the rascal stuff. From the time you was given your uniform you was told there is no color in the military when it comes to people. There is zero tolerance In our military for this. The people that can't get it get the boot out. If you don't get it get out. If you betray a fellow brother or sister you don't have the right to wear the uniform of a military man or woman.

Agree completely. The submariner(s) involved should be charged and prosecuted. It is a disgrace.

It does NOT matter what sex the offender is WRONG IS WRONG. The person or persons doing this should be punished to the full extent of the UCMJ. I know if I ever caught one of my people doing this their peers would be punishing them if you get my drift.

SSG(P) (Join to see),what I think it that the story is over-sensationalized and doesn't do anything but cause even more divisiveness between the sexes. Right now, the military is still trying to integrate females into previously all-male occupations, and the media is handing out more fodder for the trolls. "Look! That's what happens when you put women into male units. See! We told you!" And simultaneously painting females as dainty little flowers. This wasn't a story about some pervert filming people in the shower. That's not good enough. We must emphasize that was a MALE pervert looking at FEMALES in the shower, because, well...men are pigs. I know that if I was a guy, I'd be particularly offended, because whether you agree or disagree, this incident type of over-reaction, by the general public, and fueled by the media, is trickling down to ALL of us in uniform. We're all so paranoid about SHARP complaints that it is fueling a malcontent here...across both sexes.
The COC should have handled this on its own, without input from the peanut gallery. The dumbass that filmed it should have been dealt with-and harshly. (Though I think a more fitting punishment, for the most extreme adherents to gender roles, is to sentence him to a duration onboard, with the now pissed-off and agitated female Officers. By the end of the assignment, the media could photograph the gouges he's made attempting to open the hatch and drown himself.) If you find the reversal of roles in this scenario horrifying, I've made my point.

You mention division between the sexes...all along I was sure we were trying to close that gap. Make women more like men. Opening up combat MOS', equality, and all the sensitivity training, is it all in vain. Women can be just as bad as men. There are appropriate places for a woman. I'm not sure on an all male Sub is one of them. I struggle with that decision. Whether this was a woman or a man, it truly doesn't matter and you are probably correct, the media grabs a hold if it and sensationalizes every thing it can get their hands on. I'm sure there is lots of old school thinking. Let's get these women off the sub...it's not happening.

I don't think the military is trying to 'make women more like men' - rather they are trying integrate them into a 'previously all male world' in the name of equality. Let's face it, they (women) have been getting the short and of the stick (pardon the pun) for far too long! It's long over due that they SHOULD HAVE any job or position they are seeking, IF they have the desire (again no pun intended), qualifications, and the ability to perform the choice as good (or 'better') than a man. That goes for PAY as well!! There are way too few women getting the respect they are DUE and it IS (again) LONG OVER DUE for them to be let out from under the OLD traditions of our culture and society, having been controlled by men for centuries. I'm on the side of "what's RIGHT" not what 'was'. Time to move on!

Me too Sir!

I'm not very concerned about the black eye -- I'm concerned about the officers who have to live with the knowledge that so many of their peers sexualized them mercilously behind their backs. No doubt many of those sailors who turned these officers into porn stars worked with those officers every day. The betrayal...the emotional damage...the Navy will recover, but my guess is one or more of these officers will have a hard time recovering, if she or they ever fully recover at all.

Good point, PO1 Autumn Sandeen. It's a very sad chapter on different levels. My point was (and is) that with all the negative press about sexual harassment in the military, this was the last thing we needed. I agree wholeheartedly with you: There's no doubt that the women whose privacy was violated this way are the real victims.

I wonder HOW the men who did this would feel IF the women read some their very intimate letters to their girlfriends and then laughed and joked about ALL the intimate details that they wrote in those letters including the very embarrassing details of their tiny d__ks and smaller ba__s - which they "may or may not" have. The 'shoe on the other foot' scenario!! Would that be something to "SEE"?

I do believe I said that about the COB somewhere else. No one on this sub should have known more about what was going on than the COB. If he has not already been relieved it should be as soon as the investigation is complete. He may not have done anything and that IS the problem...

CPO Joseph Grant...I agree it will be uncomfortable until someone approve funding to modify Ships and Submarines, in the meantime friction and scandals will ruin careers.

CPO Joseph Grant the problem is attitudes of privilege. I have ridden subs as a Master Chief and was resented because I Was NOT Submarine Qualified yet allowed a "good bunk" in the CPO mess. As a young sailor also worked E&R Grotton and rode a few times to make sure all required repairs had been completed correctly. Once again resented since i was not qualified and only a rider. I fully understand the qualification process and have to remind YOU that hazing is no longer allowed in the Navy. YES, it is harder on boats then on some surface ships to berth some Sailors, BUT there are almost NO 9 person berthing areas on surface ships. Our CPO overflow was one of the smallest on a Aegis Cruiser and it held 12 people (no head), just like your 9 person berthing area.

Why do the females have to qualify prior the getting bunks, times have changed. If they were on surface ships, or you rode a surface ship, we would find appropriate berthing as we do every time middies cruise with us (male and female).

No where did I condone hazing. Until qualified, whether male or female, that Sailor is essentially a liability. That Sailor cannot be fully trusted, cannot hang or second check a tag, cannot fully support the duty section because some watches require that he/she be Qualified in Submarines. Rank onboard a submarine really doesn't matter. There are blue shirts, Chiefs and officers. Qualifications are more important than pay grade. One of the few luxuries on a boat is having your own rack. On a boat, losing your rack and being sent to sleep on a torpedo skid is a big deal. The fact is that there isn't enough berthing on a fast boat for all the Sailors assigned. Non-qualified persons get the leftover racks.

MSG until you deployed on a submarine you don't know what your talking about, not being flip but I think it was a mistake to put women on subs. Subs are cramped and every space is taken so there is no room for privacy, nevertheless the way they are doing it with officers is best method as they have staterooms and enlisted don't. If you get a chance tour a modern sub and it might change your mind. What happened here is disgusting and he should be hammered! Thanks.

I'm not sure about the one who did it. As I read it, he was not on the crew, but, rather, someone assigned to the home port of the boat His duties on the boat would be when crew was on leave, I think. Do not know about the newer boats, but I guess they are still crowded. On fleet boats , the officers' shower is there in officer country by their rooms and ward room. Not very big and lots of pipes in it and through it. I could see where a small camera would be hard to spot.

You are correct MAJ Ronnie Reams, he is supposedly assigned to Trident Repair Facility, Kings Bay, GA. He would have access to the boat during the time the tow crews are switching over. Depending on his job, he could easily have access to , and place the camera where it could be used to video the shower and dressing room area.

One note of interest is that according to Vice Adm. M.J. Connor, "the alleged perpetrators were removed from the ship pending the investigation's results." The PO2 at TRF obviously had to have help from someone on the boat with editing and recording.

Ship?.....I can't believe the Admiral said that. Heck I was Army and I know it is a boat. My father was a Navy brown shoe though.

Major Reams, some officers have gone and started calling the boats "ships". You'd expect better but ...

Could not agree more MSG (Join to see). He does not belong in my Navy.

AGREED!!

MCPO Gene Treants.....I agree every "swinging richard involved should receive the maximum punishment. Can imagine the tension and morale right now? We're at war and all the dumb stuff must cease.

MSG Floyd Williams Outstanding take!!!!

MSG Floyd concur!

Amen.

Concour Shipmate. Navy needs to have people step up and take names. after that kick ass till the incident is so well known when people talk about sexual harassment they say Wyoming instead of Tailpipe.