Posted on Nov 13, 2020
Should people who espouse racist or white nationalist beliefs be allowed to participate in Rallypoint?
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I’m not talking about people who deny that racism is a problem or people who object to BLM. I’m talking about someone who has actively participated in white nationalist online forums and has a significant trail of white nationalist associations.
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This is a free country. They can be a part of whatever group they want, say what they want. The Constitution gives them that right, and the Constitution does not appoint you to be the moral babysitter. Worry more about your self, less about others. If you don't like it, block them.
Ah - the squelching of ideas that one does not like. I find this end of the gene pool (White Supremacists) to be very distasteful. I also find the core participants of BLM and Antifa to be quite distasteful. Yet - they are all, or mostly all, citizens of this great nation and their right to believe what they want and speak what they want is guaranteed not to be trodden on by the 1st Amendment. If we go down this route I will dump it as fast as I did Facebook and Twitter. Once started, there is no end until we have a very small, homogeneous pool of thought.
SMSgt Billy Cesarano
SPC John Tacetta - The horse$%1# theory is only effective if you never learned right from wrong. It was/is used as a socialist propaganda tool to derail unsustainable arguments. Our constitution is above all that garbage but the rhetoric continually drags it down to the level of arguing which type of socialist country we should create for America. Think of it this way, your mothers recipe for your favorite item of consumption will not be the same if you mess with the ingredients and her special way of combining them. It is the same for our constitution which was established under very strict limitations, to provide only that much government to protect and defend the unalienable rights bestowed upon us by the creator among them life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Now we are upside down. The strict limitations are on the citizens and the power is in the government. Mothers cookies not only taste horrible, we can't even call them cookies anymore.
SPC John Tacetta
SMSgt Billy Cesarano - The Horseshoe Theory is just a construct used to illustrate the similarities between the hard right and hard left. It's progenitor is immaterial. The real point of this theory is to show how similar looking both ends of the spectrum become in their extreme. Joseph Stalin and Adolf Hitler are excellent examples of this paradox: democracy devolving into fascism and monarchy devolving into communism. Both were terrible dictatorships that horribly oppressed their people and led to the death of millions. However German and Russian societies, economies and cultures differed from one another, the iron hand ruled. Think, then, that our founders aimed to place this Republic squarely between these two extremes, governed by the people and not ruled by the man.
Fascism may be defined as "an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization". Sound familiar? I urge you to keep the "jack-booted" thugs who wrap themselves in the flag at bay and preserve your mother's recipes!
Fascism may be defined as "an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization". Sound familiar? I urge you to keep the "jack-booted" thugs who wrap themselves in the flag at bay and preserve your mother's recipes!
SMSgt Billy Cesarano
I sense you're trying to spin and mold a complexity of righteous ideas where none exists. If you are unable to simplify a point to a basic right and wrong it's probably wrong. Our founding was based on a simple idea. People rule themselves as they see fit within the construct of civility of laws that assure that right described in the declaration which governments are created to protect to impose penalties for infractions. Imposing a right-wing and left wing is the divisive imposition of government factions on the citizenry.
SMSgt Billy Cesarano
SGT (Join to see) - Getting stuck in the weeds over multitudes of trivial content is the product of the divisive rhetoric propagated by the power brokers and their minions to keep the peasantry fighting amongst themselves and otherwise occupied whilst the US Constitution is raped and slaughtered.
If you can provide names to individuals you are concerned about, we would be happy to look into it and manage accounts accordingly.
As for the question you have asked, we can’t just delete people because they are associated with white nationalist sites because there are more racists then just white racists. If they bring their nonsense to RP, we encourage users to bring the post and individual to our attention. If they haven’t posted anything that is racist or perceived as racist, we can’t just nuke the account because you don’t like them. We must abide by the terms of service and community guidelines, not your personal preference or dislike for someone.
SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" SSG Carlos Madden LTC Kevin B. MSG (Join to see) SGT Ben Keen MSgt (Join to see) SFC Steven Borders
As for the question you have asked, we can’t just delete people because they are associated with white nationalist sites because there are more racists then just white racists. If they bring their nonsense to RP, we encourage users to bring the post and individual to our attention. If they haven’t posted anything that is racist or perceived as racist, we can’t just nuke the account because you don’t like them. We must abide by the terms of service and community guidelines, not your personal preference or dislike for someone.
SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" SSG Carlos Madden LTC Kevin B. MSG (Join to see) SGT Ben Keen MSgt (Join to see) SFC Steven Borders
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It’s my personal opinion that White Supremacy is not a thing anymore. Regardless of people beliefs, you don’t see segregation, lynchings, attacks like we did in the 60s. Today, being a white supremacy is simply having a different opinion than someone else. It’s a common defense similar to that of being called a racist.SPC Stiv ChenRobbins
SFC Chuck Martinez
I'm staying out of this mess, not worth my effort, I have a lot of friends in RP and I like to keep it that way. Republicans and Democrats will always agree to disagree or vice versa. My wife is a Democrat and I a Conservative. We talk not argue and that is what needs to happen between both parties. If we were to go to war again, nobody is going to ask you what party you belong to. I have never seen this country so divided like it is presently, this is not what we are all about. I don't give a rats ass about radical groups, in the end, they will end up dead or in jail. This is not what we are supposed to be about, we have to be united and not divided, but some just don't get it. Most of us were in uniform at one time or another and we watched each other's back. In the Nam war, we never talked about political affiliation nor politics. Tempers have to cool down and get back to the basics, being good American citizens and trusting in God. Those who do not believe, it is also their right, We need to get back to the basics and understand the word respect!!
SFC Craig Titzkowski
I really don't think white anything is really a thing unless it is someone how is a none voting and a very isolated group of people because the 99.999999% of us would laugh at anything they would have to say. If I did hear something from some one who claimed to be a white nationalist they are out of touch with the rest of the country and so are the people that think racisms is running rapid through our country. The NAACP, BLM and so many others that preach racism. They all go broke when racisms is over so it will never end for them. Wonder why there are more church's in poor parts of a city or community. It isn't because their are % wise more sinners in poor areas. It is because todays church's are for profit not to save a sole. If you don't believe me look at the wealth of the biggest church's and their leaders. Please don't bring up the Catholic church they have the most but they are their own country and ruling body so I don't count them. Alot of the people screaming racism are the racist people I have ever seen and the most socialistic ideally aliened that's it God Bless Everyone
SSG(P) Danielle Birtha
SFC Craig Titzkowski - heheh... read the Holy Bible... first 6 "books".
Moses brought more than 10 Commandments down from that Mountain... including where the one true church is, to whom and why we tithe.
And... I agree. Demanding that some people, because of the color of their skin, have more rights than others... is racist.
George Floyd was being arrested for "uttering a counterfeit security" LIFE in Prison.
But he is being memorialized, for attacking the police, while the police are being thrown in prison because he died resisting arrest... and those police: were doing their job AS TRAINED... AS ALL KNOW. Immediately after... EVERY police agency in the U.S. , including the military, changed their restraint methods, TO REMOVE THE SAME TRAINING THAT THOSE COPS HAD >(
Those cops are guilty of doing as Commanded.
And Chauvin did not kill Floyd with his knee on Floyd's neck. I watched the entire thing happen as it happened.
A. Floyd was not cuffed... he turned and attacked the cop that was trying to cuff him, which is why they took him to the ground... while an ambulance with PSYCHO restraints was called to put a straight jacket Floyd... to keep him from hurting himself, and police.
B. Floyd was doing push ups, with Chauvin's knee NOT on his neck.
C. Floyd couldn't breathe because of the BLACK OFFICER SITTING ON HIS DIAPHRAM >(
D. Floyd was fine until the Incident Watch Commander showed up and MADE Chauvin move his knee to Floyd's right shoulder, and press down, at which time Floyd's neck is CLEARLY seen to break... again... AS COMMANDED... and that watch commander... BLACK!
E. Chauvin's Trial: was snapshots, of moments the prosecutors used to dictate that Chauvin deliberately killed Floyd... the photo of Chauvin's knee on dead Floyd's neck... in motion... would show that knee was moving off his right shoulder, crossed over his neck/head, as Chauvin changed position as he asked... "Did he just die?"
When it is a crime for a Police Officer to do their job as they were trained... then the crime is oppressive racism on the part of those who demand that Officer be imprisoned for the crime of DOING AS HE WAS TOLD BY SUPERIORS. >(
welcome to Soviet America >(
Moses brought more than 10 Commandments down from that Mountain... including where the one true church is, to whom and why we tithe.
And... I agree. Demanding that some people, because of the color of their skin, have more rights than others... is racist.
George Floyd was being arrested for "uttering a counterfeit security" LIFE in Prison.
But he is being memorialized, for attacking the police, while the police are being thrown in prison because he died resisting arrest... and those police: were doing their job AS TRAINED... AS ALL KNOW. Immediately after... EVERY police agency in the U.S. , including the military, changed their restraint methods, TO REMOVE THE SAME TRAINING THAT THOSE COPS HAD >(
Those cops are guilty of doing as Commanded.
And Chauvin did not kill Floyd with his knee on Floyd's neck. I watched the entire thing happen as it happened.
A. Floyd was not cuffed... he turned and attacked the cop that was trying to cuff him, which is why they took him to the ground... while an ambulance with PSYCHO restraints was called to put a straight jacket Floyd... to keep him from hurting himself, and police.
B. Floyd was doing push ups, with Chauvin's knee NOT on his neck.
C. Floyd couldn't breathe because of the BLACK OFFICER SITTING ON HIS DIAPHRAM >(
D. Floyd was fine until the Incident Watch Commander showed up and MADE Chauvin move his knee to Floyd's right shoulder, and press down, at which time Floyd's neck is CLEARLY seen to break... again... AS COMMANDED... and that watch commander... BLACK!
E. Chauvin's Trial: was snapshots, of moments the prosecutors used to dictate that Chauvin deliberately killed Floyd... the photo of Chauvin's knee on dead Floyd's neck... in motion... would show that knee was moving off his right shoulder, crossed over his neck/head, as Chauvin changed position as he asked... "Did he just die?"
When it is a crime for a Police Officer to do their job as they were trained... then the crime is oppressive racism on the part of those who demand that Officer be imprisoned for the crime of DOING AS HE WAS TOLD BY SUPERIORS. >(
welcome to Soviet America >(
Read This Next
--> MY Argument is NOT "against allowing opposing voice". MY argument is against the LIES that are putting the Innocent in prison, while the guilty are released to rape, rob, murder, destroy, and disrupt, under the command of PUBLIC SERVANTS. And... NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO STOP THEM >(
An opposing voice, that is telling lies, that is corrupting the truth...
MUST ALWAYS BE REVEALED AS LIARS... WITH THE TRUTH.
The truth... in the Law of the U.S. ... IS THAT LAW >(
MY argument is against allowing A CONFESSED CLASS A CAPITOL FELON be President of the United States of America, while the President who has ZERO evidence of Crime in his past, as PROVEN by 4+ years filled with 10 Major Investigations that occupied the entire Justice Department, into RUMORS OF POSSIBLE CRIME WITH NO EVIDENCE TO GRANT A LAWFUL WARRANT... NOT GUILTY. And those Investigations VIOLATED THE CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED LEGAL RIGHTS OF EVERY U.S. CITIZEN, as defined in the 4th, 5th, 6th, 9th Amendments, and Article Two, Section 2. >(
MY argument is with those who DEMAND AND DICTATE that Trade Deals, that Trade our Prosperous Blessings of Liberty to an Enemy... LIKE CHINA... is Constitutional... when our SERVANTS DICTATE that we the people may NOT vote whether we want to give up OUR LIVELIHOODS to an Enemy... when that Constitution defines those activities as: HIGH TREASON AGAINST WE THE PEOPLE! >(
DEMOCRACY IS GONE... AS YOU THE PEOPLE ALLOW THE SERVANTS TO DICTATE OUR ABJECT POVERTY IN FAVOR OF OUR ENEMIES >(
--> Instead of dragging them out of their offices and charging, prosecuting, and PUNISHING THEM FOR THEIR TREASON >(
--> "... AND THEY SHALL SUFFER DEATH."! >(
MY ARGUMENT IS: THAT CONSTUTION IS THE LAW, AND NO OTHER LAW CAN DEFY IT.
my argument is that every citizen needs to read that document, and the amendments...
--> to see the treason plain and clear in language written so a 13 year old can understand >(
STOP BUYING THE CENSORSHIP AND PROPAGANDA!
YOU'RE ALL WILLING TO JUMP TO ANY WEB SITE GIVEN TO "FACT CHECK" LIES ABOUT TRUMP...
--> WHILE YOU WON'T FACT CHECK THE GARBAGE YOUR TRAITORS SHOVE DOWN YOUR WILLING TO BE SLAVES TO RULERS THROATS?
READ THE CONSTITUTION...
OR BE STUPID SHEEP... AT THE COMMAND OF YOUR MASTERS WHO LEAD U.S. TO SLAUGHTER ... FOR THE ENEMIES OF THE U.S. ...
WHILE THEY GIVE U.S. UP TO OUR ENEMIES... SCREAMING AT U.S. WITH HIGH DRAMA... THAT THOSE ENEMIES ARE INDEED OUR ENEMIES... SO TRUMP MUST BE IMPRISONED... TO PREVENT HIM FROM LEADING U.S. BACK TO FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY >(
--> AND THAT IMPEACHMENT SHOWED BIDEN'S CONFESSION OF HIS HIGH TREASON: COLLUDING WITH RUSSIA! QUID PRO QUO FOR PERSONAL GAIN! WORKING WITH AN ENEMY TO CORRUPT AN INTERNATIONAL U.S. TREATY! VIOLATION OF THE IMPOUND CONTROL ACT!!
Everything Trump did as President was legal and COMMANDED by that Constitution.
Everything Biden, Pelosi, and the Democratic National Socialist Party (Hitler's Party!) is doing is 100% Unconstitutional High Treason >(
ACA is nothing less than UNREGULATED legislated profits for the church owned Hospitals and Medical Insurance Agents... THAT DENIES MEDICAL CARE TO THOSE NOT RICH... but demands payment anyway... at whatever price they want... IT'S A PONZI SCHEME!!
NOT A Fair and Equal to all COST REGUATED National Health Care System that we the people voted for >(
(1st Amendment: "Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an Establishment of Religion...")
DACA is Legislated Human Trafficking in Raped Pregnant women, Children, and Slaves for U.S. Farmers ... Slavery re-enacted by the Supreme Court on Juneteenth 2020 >(
AND EVERYONE IS A-OKAY WITH ALL THIS???
AND THAT'S JUST THE MOST PROMINANT TIP OF THE ICEBURG OF TREASON BEING COMMITTED AGAINST WE THE PEOPLE BY OUR ELECTED SERVANTS >(
HEIL BIDEN AND THE NAZI CRIMINALS?!!!
OR... DOWN WITH THE U.S.A.????
--> SAME THING!
WAKE UP.
Pay attention ... or get on your knees to your elected RULERS >(
These rulers need to have the crowns removed from their heads...
AS COMMANDED BY THE LAW THAT NAMES THEM TRAITORS >(
Insurrection? No... Justice action against enemies of U.S. >(
No one wants to change the Constitution...
BUT WE DO EXPECT IT TO BE OBEYED...
OR THOSE WHO DON'T WILL GET PUNISHED >(
Or do we all really just not care anymore... content to let our dictators dictate our every thought, word, and moment of our lives?
That SMS, is as fine tuned as it gets.
Yeah... wordy... but... covers the FACTS, that are easily verified...
Google:
archives.gov (Constitution and Amendments)
U.S. Treason Law
Immigration and Naturalization Act (President's DUTIES)
Insurrection Act of 1807 (Jan 6 @ D.C. ... NOT an Insurrection!)
Impound Control Act
H.R 4152 Ukraine Treaty
Trump Impeachment & Trial
But... these are things we are taught as children, so we don't need to look at them again?
WRONG... memory should never be trusted when it comes down to YOUR LIFE... YOUR FREEDOM... AND YOUR DEMOCRACY!
MY 8th Grade class had to memorize the Constitution and Amendments (school district requirement) to be passed to High School. I keep a copy on my desktop for quick reference anyway... to make certain my memory is not failing when I hear the Media, or a Public Servant, say the Constitution says "this", when MY memory says IT DOES NOT!
FACT CHECK WHAT THEY SAY... OR BE BRAINWASHED INTO SLAVERY BY CHOICE!