Posted on Nov 17, 2013
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I just like the fact that Airforce, Navy and Marines only have the name rank and their respective branch. They all look the same and they all don't seem to have the judgements we have in the army. I mean we in the army have the unit patches, skill badges and deployment patch. I believe that the army should be the same as the other services.
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SGM Matthew Quick
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Let's put everything on our cars, instead.<br><br><br>
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That is awful.
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OPSEC anyone?
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<p>Unit patches are part of our history and I was somewhat disappointed that we no longer wear full color SSIs and combat patches on the our service uniform.&nbsp; I was also disappointed when the Army went to the ACU and got rid of branch insignia for Officers.&nbsp; Again, that was a tradition that went back decades.&nbsp; Each branch has its own traditions and uniform wear that somewhat tie the new service members to their past while trying to modernize wear.&nbsp; Sometimes it works and sometimes we wonder why.</p><p><br></p>
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SPC Travis Grizzard
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Interesting, but wrong SFC Fox. Unit patches, (Corps & Division) were first authorized by General Hooker during the Civil War. Originally they were cap badges.
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SFC Gary Fox
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SPC Grizzard, there is a difference between a unit patch which is sewn on the uniform and hat badge. The hat badge had the regimental number.
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SGT Anthony Bussing
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officers wore BoS on their woodlands?? or are you talking about the ASU?
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COL Jon Thompson
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Officers wore branch insignia on the left collar of their fatigues, jungle fatigues, BDUs, and DCUs. That way you could always tell where they were from and differentiate between who was who.
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SFC Military Police
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Bring back the BDU and shiney black boots, it worked for decades, it looked professional.
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I also agree I would love to get some sort of BDU back and shined boots. You could tell who cared about what they did for a living and who was a dirt Bag solider.  Also I like wear my wings on my chest and combat path. It lets others know i am proud of my accomplishments .  Air Assualt!!!!

 

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PFC Zanie Young
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While I hated shining the boots, I still liked the BDUs because it allowed you to be proud of the uniform.
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SPC Travis Grizzard
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Forget the shiny black boots, unless you want to have one pair for combat and another for garrison. A nicely shined pair of boots shine like a spotlight to a person wearing NVGs, making the wearer a target and negating the concealment of camoflage.
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SPC Nathan Fanton
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I don't know. I know I was not a "rockstar" (read that as average) by any means, but my uniform was one thing that I really took care of. My ACUs always fit well, I would carry the green books in both shoulder pockets to keep them flat and so my unit patch was not all bent up. My PC was well formed, and would place it upside down, to keep the top and sides looking good instead of crumpling it up and shoving it into a pocket. The boots were brushed as per the instructions, Thank you DS Swink. I really cared and knew who the Soldiers were that would put that little bit of extra effort into making us look squared away. Its way to easy to look messed up in garrison with the ACU.
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Should the Army uniform only show name and US Army? (Getting rid of patches and badges)?
SFC William Swartz Jr
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Some Soldiers never bother to wear their accomplishments, thereby saving THEMSELVES money, some prefer to tale pride in their accomplishments and do not mind the extra cost associated with displaying them. I can count on&nbsp;both hands, the number of times over the last 7 years of my career that I HAD to wear my Class A's, and wearing my badges allowed for others to know a bit more about me than they might not had I not worn them.
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SSG Medical Logistics Specialist
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I'd be willing to stay with the ASUs but I'd petition to bring back the BDUs......the one time I loved putting on that uniform was when it was crisply pressed with a nice pair of shined jump boots.  Shoot, y'all couldn't tell me nothin I looked so fly.
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While we are at it lets get a standard rank insignia and cammo pattern across the branches. Seams to me that of all the branches there has to be an inferior uniform and a superior uniform, I sure would like to wear the best and I would wager so would everybody else .
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SSG PATRIOT Launching Station Enhanced Operator/Maintainer
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MarPat or Multicam, hands down. If we go back to a Woodland/Desert style, MarPat, if they want a single uniform, Multicam.
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There is still discussion of going to a common camp pattern.  The Army was testing new patterns and was down to 4 finalists when they were told to stop because of discussion of all services going to a common (or common set) of patterns.
I think the common pattern will be multi cam if anything.  The 2 largest branches (Army and Air Force) already have a lot of it so it would be more cost effective than everyone switching to what the smallest branch (Marines) wear.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Imagine that, a bunch of bozos, most of whom never wore a uniform, get a say in what SMs wear. Things that make you go WTF!
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CPO Joseph Grant
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Each branch is different and the uniforms contain tradition inspired design. In no way shape or form do we want or need a single "purple" uniform and rank device. I retired as a Chief Petty Officer not a Sergeant First Class. I honestly don't know know the tradition behind the other services rank and devices but I don't know many, if any, Sailors who would want to throw away this tradition to have a common pin on a collar.
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CW2 Jonathan Kantor
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Troops are proud of their accomplishments.&nbsp; They wear their badges with pride.&nbsp; And they should.&nbsp; We don't often wear the ASUs so why not keep what we have on the uniform we wear nearly every day in garrison and every day on deployment?&nbsp; Most of the time, ASUs are worn only for boards, inspections, and payday activities.&nbsp; I have been in units where I never wore them... for years.<br>
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I agree with you on this. Soldiers work hard to compete and get selected for different schools, and when they graduate they should be able to show off their accomplishments and be proud that they earned a badge.
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Why is wearing badges,patches considered showing off? Did the person not take the time to go to a certain school/course and put in the effort to pass to earn a badge. 
Perhaps it's out of pride that they wear their unit patch and combat patch.
I am proud of my unit and I am honored to wear the patch on both sleeves. I earned my Air Assault badge and my CAB. I wear them with pride and always will as long as its within regulation.

I think the problem is with the individuals that want to judge another based of appearances. It does not lie within the uniform.
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SFC Grudzinski,

SFC Evans explained it very well. Unless is approved for me to wear it, it will be away in a display case. My profile picture is taken by any member to create an Audie Murphy wall at the unit because per regulation member pictures should be prominently displayed to recognize the achievement.
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SFC Evans,


                   I believe I am aware of what the regulation reads.




b. Membership Medallion approved for wear with
appropriate uniform during SAMC official functions
only (IAW AR 670-1, para 28-13d). 




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SFC Grudzinski,
While this was correct on the older AR-670-1 it was changed to Para 29-13d. The SAMC regulation has not been updated to mirror the changes (which can lead to confusion).


(IAW AR 670-1, para 29-13d). Badges of civic and quasi-military societies of the United States, and international organizations of a military nature. These include badges of organizations originally composed of members who served in a U.S. force during the

Revolutionary War; the War of 1812; the Mexican War; the Civil War; the Spanish-American War; the Philippine

Insurrection; and the Chinese Relief Expedition of 1900. The badges are worn only while the wearer is actually

attending meetings or functions of such organizations, or on occasions of ceremony. Personnel will not wear these

badges to and from such meetings or events.

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SFC Evans,
                    I believe you are confusing badges and medallions. Here's the BLUF, the reg states it will not be worn except at official SAMC functions, nowhere in AR 670-1 (2012 RAR) is the word medallion or Audie Murphy.
It is a "membership medallion" not an award or decoration which is why it's never worn in official photographs, nor does it meet the requirements of AR 670-1 para 29-10. 
I like many others have several medallions that I have been awarded, but I only wear them to appropriate functions because that's what the reg reads. 
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</font><p><font color="#000000" size="3" face="Times New Roman">I have the opposite concern.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>Now that
we don’t wear unit patches on the “Class A” any more, we never ware our unit
patches unless they are subdued.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>I’m
afraid we will lose our history and unit lineage. </font></p><font color="#000000" size="3" face="Times New Roman">

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CMC Robert Young
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It seems that losing our heritage is developing issue across the services.
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SGT Bryon Sergent
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MAJ Miller and MCPO Young I concur. We are letting to much of the historic value of the military lineage go to the way side. I loved wearing my summer BDU's jump boots and my CIB along with my double eagles, when I was active duty! I actually was in a conversation last weekend and was talking about a kwik injection and had a young private ask me what that was!!!!!!

 

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I would say that this is only happening in select units. Wind up in the 82nd or the 173rd, believe that you will be taught extensive history and in turn be proud of that patch on your shoulder. I have seen both types of units.
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CPO Joseph Grant
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I'd agree with you. We don't have that in the Navy but I understand it's important in the Army. Different service and different traditions.
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I'm not sure about the USMC or USN, but the USAF branch patches are different with skill-level. I like the wear of current unit patches, but you're right about the judgement that comes with deployment patches, or rather, the lack thereof. One universal uniform and format would save a lot of money... instead of spending as much as they do, they could go to one uniform and stop tossing around the idea of messing with our pay and benefits. 
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Yes, it can look silly... I say save it all for the dress uniform.&nbsp;
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SSG Robert Blum
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CW2 Vann and CPL Fittizzi beat me to it.  Marines to my understanding are allowed to wear any skill badges they earn while attending Army Badge producing Schools, I have personally seen Air Assault, and Airborne, and one double stack, but its rare for them to get those schools. I believe the same is true for the Navy and Airforce. And the Airforce wears skill badges, each MOS has its own designs for the different skill levels.
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<p>It shows distinction and achievements! Some people are proud of what they have done and like to show it off when they can. Too many times you get Soldiers from other units, and when you tell them they have a dress uniform inspection coming up you see that scared look in their face. Only to find out that the whole 3-4 years they were at their last unit, they never once put the dress uniform on.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>As for saving money, there are far better things we can do as leaders to help our Soldiers save money than by stripping down our uniforms.</p>
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We want to inspire our junior Soldiers to achieve and go to schools and they look to the seniors for that.&nbsp; Also, SSG Norville hit it on the head: it let's people know who you are to ask questions about a future school, assignement or unit.&nbsp; But the bottom line is this: we are authorized, not required, to wear tabs and badges.&nbsp; Each Soldier can simply choose not to wear them.
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CW2 Stephen Pate
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Sir, you make a good point.  It may inspire young troops to attempt these schools and in effect create our replacements.
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CPT Bruce Beattie
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I was standing in front of my reserve company in formation for inspection. An LTC from Brigade approached to conduct the inspection. I called the company to attention, saluted, and reported. The LTC, who was w/o combat patch and whose four rows of ribbons showed not one period of service overseas, looked me over. "Captain! You are out of uniform!" he said. "How so, Sir?" I inquired. "You are not wearing your ribbons." I glanced down at my left chest and observed my CIB. " Sir, I'm wearing the only thing that counts!" was my reply. He turned on his heel and walked away. ( I did have my combat patch on my right sleeve.) The current Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff frequently only wears two of his many rows of ribbons so I figure I must have been in good company!
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SFC Christopher Perry
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I see the wearing of patches and such in much the same way I do the rack we wear in ASUs. They tell the story of the person wearing them. It is amazing how much you can glean from a glance if you pay attention. Way back in the 80s I had a DS who struck fear into my heart. The guy was all of 5'6" and probably one of the meanest and impressive individuals I had ever had the misfortune of running into. I am relatively sure I still feel the brim of his brown round hitting me in the head as he yelled at me. As I recollect, he had Airborne, Air assault and Parhfinder tabs on his chest at a minimum. Understand, that there was no Google at this point so I was merely aware that he had a bunch of stuff on his chest I did not recognize. The other NCOs only had parts and pieces of what seemed way too many tabs for a small (but unimaginably wide) top. I did not need to be aware of the meaning of each of these tabs to realize this man had more than paid his dues in this life.
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Its a pride issue, keep them!

You pin a badge (be it ABN, AA, EOD…whatever) on a soldiers chest, it makes him a little prouder.

I remember as a young soldier seeing NCO's and O's with EIB's, Jump Wings and a Tab….it motivated me. Then to see a E-7 or Major with a CIB and a combat patch…hell it gave me confidence in that leader.

I think officers should display their branch insignia as well.

Combat patches are a big deal to a young soldier. Though we have bastardized it by giving them out willy-nilly. I have seen NG soldiers with two tours and authorized 7 different combat patches. Funny I will see someone with a 101st or 82nd and ask which BN they were in, they sheepishly tell me they were attached. Oh well. They should be proud of the unit they served in, not attached too.

From reading this thread, seems like there are some "sour grapes" from some folks because they don't have some badges. Be proud in your service, but don't knock something just because you don't have one.

I don't wear a Green Beret, HALO wings or EOD crab, but I respect the man who does.

Besides its the soldier that has to live up to the (awards, badges, tabs, patches) which he wears.
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LTC James L Guerrieri Sr
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Or don't knock someone else who's service was honorable but never had an opportunity to get one! That is more to the point of the question.
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I think this is a horrible idea, and in the past I've always heard it called for by guys that have very little "flair" to put on their uniform. To me, soldiers that call for this come off as insecure in their lack of visible achievements. <br><br>SFC P, I'm not saying this necessarily applies to you, but I can't help but notice that you don't have any skill badges or a combat badge. If a soldier is so poor that they can't afford to buy badges to pin on, or have a few sets of ACUs with sewn on badges, then that soldier needs money management counseling.&nbsp; Respectfully, I find the uniformity comment absurd. <br>
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CW2 Stephen Pate
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SGT Robertson, appreciate your response.  You are right, I have zero special schools except for that damn AITPSG course and MRT, both of which I forced to do for an assigment.  I have tried several times to get to some of these schools and even stood out of the parking lot every first monday of the month at 0500 for 7 months at the air assault school at my first duty station, only to be told that it was canceled.  On month 8, that particular location shut down.  Not to make excuses, but being on my fifth deployment with two years stuck in TRADOC and no ability to go to any schools, I just havent found the time.  I have barely made time to accomplish my NCOES requirements.  Trust me though, even though I'm considered too old for most of this, I plan on attending AA, Airborne, and hopefully even RASP when I get back.  As for uniformity, I think you have to look at why uniformity is important.  Is a couple of badges going to make a difference?  Probably not, but it's just one more thing.  I don't think that there is anything "wrong" with wearing these badges, but is it neccesary?
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SFC P,

I would like to clarify that there's nothing wrong with not having skill badges or a combat badge. Mechanics are not typically the guys that go outside the wire to find opportunities to earn a CAB, and Air Assault/Airborne/Pathfinder/whatever is over rated in some ways. 

Now with that said I do feel like that if a solider has graduated from a course that authorizes the wear of a skill badge they should definitely have the right to wear it on their ACUs. Depending on your MOS and unit these things are very important. For example, an infantryman with a CIB has seen combat, which is their sole point of existence. A soldier in the 101st without Air Assault is lacking in a crucial skill set and knowledge base unique to their division.  Badges such as these set the bearers apart from their peers and show they've worked to become role models for subordinate soldiers. 

To answer if badges are necessary, of course their not. But there's a lot of things that can be argued that are not necessary on a uniform. Why have pockets if you're not allowed to put your hands in them? Why have the U.S. Army tape when your ACU pattern clearly indicates you're a soldier? Why have unit patches when they mean practically nothing in context of the soldier wearing them? Badges are there for what I believe are good reasons, and to take them away because of "uniformity" seems like a very poor excuse. 
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Speaking as an Air Force (former Army) guy, a lot of us like the unit patches on the Army uniform. We used to wear unit patches before we lost the BDUs, and most people I know wish we could have them back!
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We still wear unit patches on the ACU.  The only place we lost unit patches was on our "Class A" uniform
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Out of all the services I also like the Marine duty uniform and their dress uniform.
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Less is more.....but a Unit patch should be part of the "less"....unit cohesion and esprit de corps....(but not enough room on my shoulder for all of mine...even with none for the Navy - no ship tab :-( )
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Agreed

 

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SSG Matt Murphy
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Interesting thought. Check out this 5 star general's fruit salad. Compare it with ones you see today. Less is more.
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Yes, I agree with the last statement that CW2 Vann made:
-Yes, it can look silly... I say save it all for the dress uniform.
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Why not, my good looks can carry the day.
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