Posted on May 6, 2014
Should veteran status be reserved for those who have deployed?
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This one has come up a lot in conversations with my peers and Soldiers: Should you be allowed to claim veterans status if you have never deployed?
Personally, I'm an ROTC graduate who chose to go straight into the ARNG in 2011, knowing full well that my chances to deploy would be next to none with the changing op tempo. Realistically, had I been actively searching out a deployment the whole time, I still may not have gotten one. I'm sure there are Soldiers out there who served honorably in a reserve component without deploying, despite their best efforts. So, for example, should a Soldier who completed basic training, had a clean service record, excelled in their peer group, but ultimately served 10 years as a reservist with no deployment and less than 180 days on non-ADT active service be prevented from calling themselves a veteran?
I have my own thoughts, but I'm more interesting in hearing your opinions. For clarification, I'm speaking more towards the legal definition of veterans status - even if the laws were changed here, there would still be an immense difference between a legal veteran and a legal veteran with several deployments, combat experience, decades on active duty, or a combination of all three.
Personally, I'm an ROTC graduate who chose to go straight into the ARNG in 2011, knowing full well that my chances to deploy would be next to none with the changing op tempo. Realistically, had I been actively searching out a deployment the whole time, I still may not have gotten one. I'm sure there are Soldiers out there who served honorably in a reserve component without deploying, despite their best efforts. So, for example, should a Soldier who completed basic training, had a clean service record, excelled in their peer group, but ultimately served 10 years as a reservist with no deployment and less than 180 days on non-ADT active service be prevented from calling themselves a veteran?
I have my own thoughts, but I'm more interesting in hearing your opinions. For clarification, I'm speaking more towards the legal definition of veterans status - even if the laws were changed here, there would still be an immense difference between a legal veteran and a legal veteran with several deployments, combat experience, decades on active duty, or a combination of all three.
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If you've walked the walk in a uniform, stood a post and served your state and/or country, you can drink from my canteen anytime!
What you are eligible for as a veteran is based on various factors as stated in previous posts and is determined by a higher authority than I.
What you are eligible for as a veteran is based on various factors as stated in previous posts and is determined by a higher authority than I.
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MSG John Wirts
We have enough disrespect from civilians and our Leaderless Fear. Lets quit with the one upmanship, and respect all veterans. Only one who tries to claim that which was not earned should be excluded!
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MSG Charles Turner
MSG John Wirts - Could not Agree MORE! We even have Veterans that Disrespect other Vets!
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SSgt R.Patrick Corkrey
I am an old marine combat vet and you sir sound like the type of leader I would gladly serve with in combat. It would be an honor to share a canteen.
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Of course not. From the late 70s (end of Vietnam) to 1990 (Desert Shield), a lot of veterans passed through the gates who never deployed anywhere because there was no need for deployments. Are we supposed to tell all those vets, who had the bad luck to be around when there was no deployment requirement, that their service was not really military service?
What a hairbrained idea. However, I do see that there might be a difference in the types of medical benefits awarded, depending on the conditions of ones service.
What a hairbrained idea. However, I do see that there might be a difference in the types of medical benefits awarded, depending on the conditions of ones service.
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Sgt Diane Kuiper
I was one of those that served in the "gap" years. I am afforded no military benefits since I did not serve during a time of war and do not claim a disability. The one thing I will ALWAYS claim is my status as a veteran. Anyone who served deserves that title.
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I served from 1981- 1987 in the USAR, , Because I was Infantry, I only did 13 weeks of basic training and AIT. ( 91 day to be exact)- The VA does not consider me a veteran because I did not serve 180 days on active duty. If I had been offered a different MOS I might have served longer but the Reserve units in my area were only Infantry and Military Police. I went to every school offered me never missed a drill weekend, never missed an annual training,( sometimes did as much as 6
weeks active duty in one year ( I was 11B20 with mortar, NBC, instructor and drill Sgt qualifications) I went where and when the Army needed me ! I took the same entrance exam, physical, basic training, AIT with no difference between requirements to enlist or graduate basic training or AIT- signed the same check for up to and including my life and my military service does not even qualify me for a flag on my coffin
weeks active duty in one year ( I was 11B20 with mortar, NBC, instructor and drill Sgt qualifications) I went where and when the Army needed me ! I took the same entrance exam, physical, basic training, AIT with no difference between requirements to enlist or graduate basic training or AIT- signed the same check for up to and including my life and my military service does not even qualify me for a flag on my coffin
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PFC Marty Dockery
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I'm in the same boat with you. I spent 10 years in the USAR and ANG. Earned, not given administratively 3 different MOS's, one being 11B (AIT), then 13B and then 88k (Water Transportation Operator, wasn't 88K MOS when I was in). Then received a 71L Assignment after being recruited by a AGN Training Site CSM to serve as the Training Site Retention NCO. Before u call BS due to my rank, my time period was during the weight control program transition into the Army. I got hit, and was not promotable because of those last 10 pounds). But I did my job!!!!! I served the best way I could. I would have remained to complete my 30, but my health got in the way. I did call and volunteer to deploy for Dessert Storm, but was told I needed to have hearing in both ears, but o'well I tried and wanted to. I don't advertise that I'm a VET, because of my respect to the Combat Veterans. But am I not a Vet.
I'm in the same boat with you. I spent 10 years in the USAR and ANG. Earned, not given administratively 3 different MOS's, one being 11B (AIT), then 13B and then 88k (Water Transportation Operator, wasn't 88K MOS when I was in). Then received a 71L Assignment after being recruited by a AGN Training Site CSM to serve as the Training Site Retention NCO. Before u call BS due to my rank, my time period was during the weight control program transition into the Army. I got hit, and was not promotable because of those last 10 pounds). But I did my job!!!!! I served the best way I could. I would have remained to complete my 30, but my health got in the way. I did call and volunteer to deploy for Dessert Storm, but was told I needed to have hearing in both ears, but o'well I tried and wanted to. I don't advertise that I'm a VET, because of my respect to the Combat Veterans. But am I not a Vet.
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SPC William Wilson
PFC Marty Dockery You served and it don't matter what anyone says, you are a veteran.
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A Veteran is a Veteran...whether they deployed or not! I'm sure you seen this quote before but it is very fitting..." A veteran is someone who wrote a check to the United States of America for up to and including their life." Not sure I got it right 100% but just because someone didn't deploy doesn't make their service not valuable enough of earning that tittle. War Veteran to me is someone that has deployed, it doesn't make them better but they've earned the right to say I went over seas in freedoms defense. Just my 2 cents.
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PO3 Michael James
Nicely stated.. There is a lot of value in your 2 cents.. Thank you, I knew a WW2, Veteran who Never deployed.. WHY ?? He was in "Stores".. Warehouse, Inventories, supplying the flow of necessary supplies much need by our forces overseas, and managing some sort of inventory of these supplies.. He Was active ! and therefore he was a Veteran.. We DO AS WE ARE ORDERED.. Nothing Else.. Deployed or NOT !!
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IMHO a Veteran is a Veteran no matter when or where they served. There is no small print on the contracts that say you are a Veteran only if you served in combat. Serving in combat makes you a Combat Veteran and not serving in combat still makes you a Veteran.
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You know I served for 8 yrs just because I served in the states I don't get to be vet? Take your silver bar and stick it up your ass
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SSG Todd Halverson
SPC (Join to see) - Regardless how long and where you served, you are still a Vet. Don't let the ignorant ones get on your nerves. They are just not as well informed or have a chip on their shoulder. Or, like the previous response, they just don't know what they are talking about.
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The VA and the state of Michigan designated me as a veteran, and I served 24 yrs. with MIARNG proudly.
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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
SSgt Keith Stanton he was probably already retired, I served under General J. Mathieus.
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Just thought I would ask. Thanks
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As a multi tour vet I'd like to say thank you to the marines who made sure my paycheck was deposited, my medical and personnel records were kept up to date, and all of our equipment was ready to deploy. The military is a team and all who have served in any capacity earned the title.
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No. That's ridiculous. They signed up, took the same path, went through training and could have been deployed at any time. They are veterans.
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Geez. Why are we over thinking this? Honestly, if you are someone who served, but feel bad because you were not sent overseas, don't over analyze and question your status. We all serve at the pleasure of the President and people of the US. Stop feeling guilty.
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CPO Nate S.
God Bless the U.S.A. by Lee Greenwood
PLEASE be respectful of each other, even if you're not from this great Country!! Thanks, and enjoy the video!
Roger that! All ways brother, always .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q65KZIqay4E!!!!!!!
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I was at the VA the one day and since I was in during the mid-to-late eighties there was no real Combat deployment while I was in. I had some younger veterans that had been combat deployed giving me some crap and a Vietnam vet stepped up and ask them do you speak Russian and when they said no he told them to thank me! One of the few times I ever felt like a veteran and I was active duty honorably discharged.
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SPC Robert Coventry
PVT Mark Zehner I wish everyone felt that way I get the BS from Combat Vets I hire, then they can't hang and quit
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Gatekeeping: When someone takes it upon themselves to decide who does or does not have access or rights to a community or identity.
Anyone caught gatekeeping should be told to fuck off accordingly.
Anyone caught gatekeeping should be told to fuck off accordingly.
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A veteran is a veteran is a veteran period! If you signed on that line giving the Government the ability to cash that check for up to and including your life at any time, then you are a veteran...the only time that title is stripped is when you are dishonorably discharged and you have disgraced the uniform.
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SSG Steven Allen
1: Service Veteran
2: Wartime Veteran
Seems like common sense, but it is the Government.
2: Wartime Veteran
Seems like common sense, but it is the Government.
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
PFC Kathleen Woolrich absolutely...if you were discharged with honorable discharge you are my sister warrior...period.
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That is pure Ramlatch.....you serve your time active reserve or guard you are a veteran END OF STORY. And wether you did combat or not that still applies. You stood ready to go THAT ALONE makes you a veteran! yOU wrote a check to the United states of America backed with your body and mind. That alone makes you someone extraordinary. You are and always will be a veteran wether out 1 day or 100 years you are still a veteran AND ALWAYS WILL BE.
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Dumbest thing I've read in a while!! A veteran is a veteran! Deployed or not.. My unit deployed 2 times in 4 years and they kept me back each time for my proficient work that I do.. so just because I'm to good at my job and wasn't able to deploy means I'm not a Vet?? Yeeeeaaaahhh Alright!!!
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IMHO anyone who serves their country honorably should be able to call themselves a Veteran. If you want to break it down in my view there are three types;
Veteran: anyone who served 4 years or 20 years, reserve or active makes no difference.
War time Veteran: anyone who served during a time of war, without acually deploying. Vietnam, GWOT.
Combat Vet: anyone that deployed into a combat zone.
As for Combat Soldiers vs "Fobbits" well that is a different topic. Not going to touch that one right now.
Veteran: anyone who served 4 years or 20 years, reserve or active makes no difference.
War time Veteran: anyone who served during a time of war, without acually deploying. Vietnam, GWOT.
Combat Vet: anyone that deployed into a combat zone.
As for Combat Soldiers vs "Fobbits" well that is a different topic. Not going to touch that one right now.
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I don't think it takes away from anyone to make a distinction. I never spent a moment on a moving ship in 11 years, but I had friends that lost shipmates to accidents at sea. I did however deploy with the Marine infantry as a line corpsman, and I would say there is a difference. Not that the combat veteran is any more "veterany" than any other it's just a different experience. Now when it comes to legality outside of us, we are all veterans to the civilians.
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PO2 Jacob Schrier
I deployed to Iraq and Afgh from the navy as an individual augmentee so by definition that makes me a combat veteran. Even though I was in fobs and cops most of the time.
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I served nearly 5 years on active duty without a combat deployment. Upon ETS I enlisted in the ARNG. 10 months later I was recalled to active duty and deployed to Saudi Arabia for Desert Storm.
I had ZERO control over my assignments. I was a veteran before deployment, and a combat veteran afterward. So what?
I had ZERO control over my assignments. I was a veteran before deployment, and a combat veteran afterward. So what?
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Next they'll want to say you aren't a combat vet unless you were shot at or shot someone. Good grief! In this day of technology there are so many ways to contribute down range without leaving your home unit. Let's not forget all the 12 hour days/7 days a week people pull at home station while others are deployed.
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I'm proud to identify myself as a peace time veteran and I have big time respect for combat veterans.
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no absolutely not, did we forget the cold war, soldiers training for the fight against Russia but that never happened, they still did their jobs and where always ready to jump into the mix, why would we classify them as non vets because they weren't deployed, I agree that unless they suffered from injury or illness while serving their benefits should be different, but also the soldier deployed as a service/support element, unless their injury/illness was contracted while on deployment their still a vet regardless, there are many combat vets out there that never saw one bullet fired at them, but where out there when the shit hit the fan, they are combat vets due to the facts of the incident, whether it was direct or indirect fire, they are still vets but with different problems, but they are treated for those problems only, no pay due, service connected, anything else is their dime, unless rated 100%, so a veteran is a veteran irreguardless, the level of care depends on when it happened, how it happened and your duty status at the time and your location, whether you are a 20 year desk jockey or a one year combat vet we're all vets, get ride of the labels we all served
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